Lipstick On An Idiot?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]MrRezister wrote:
That’s really reaching. The “lipstick on a pig” thing has been going around for a while, I think McCain even used it to describe Hillarycare.

Don’t be in such a hurry to catch Obama tossing insults. He has been much better about that than the Republicans so far. Stick to the issues and you’ll have plenty of ammo.[/quote]

I agree. In fact, that may be the only thing I really really like about Obama–he’s been very reluctant to throw serious amounts of negative ads and insults around. I really wish McCain were doing less of it.

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The trouble is, though I doubt Obama meant the comment to refer to her, the crowd seemed to understand it as a reference to Palin. It was a stupid thing for him to say.

Victor Hanson made an interesting observation. Obama’s follow-up line was that “You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It’s still gonna stink.” This makes it sound like he’s calling McCain an “old fish” that “stinks.”

So, Palin = pig; McCain = old stinking fish.

I think the GOP should let it alone - he didn’t mean it, and anyway, they have plenty of ammo without elevating this to something it isn’t.

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Poor choice of words on his part either way.

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[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

I think the GOP should let it alone - he didn’t mean it, and anyway, they have plenty of ammo without elevating this to something it isn’t.

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You know. People keep bringing this up. “There is plenty of Ammo against Obama on the issues, without the need to resort to distractions and crap”

But yet, where is it? McCain’s campaign has been undeniably more ruthless, low and immature with making a molehill(oh no! did I just call McCain a mole?!) out of every single little conceivably minute indiscretion, turn of phrase, inflection, or supposition from Obama. McCain supporters on this forum and elsewhere, spend time trying to associate Obama with terrorists, muslim extremists, racists…etc. Ranging from ribbing a gaffe to outright falsifications and untrue rumor-mongering.

So…

Where is this ammo? Thus far, Obama has, pretty much held the high ground the entire campaign, consistently addressing his swath of “issues”, what he believes is important to America, and thus far, it has been met with some of the most intellectually stunted bullshit I’ve ever seen, along with the disclaimer “this is politics, it’s ugly, get used to it”.

Then there is this talk about “but really though, there is enough ammo on the issues to sink Obama’s boat”.

If that is really the case, why the attacks? why the disingenuous guilt-by-association tactics? why the 5th grader logical leaps? why the endless stream of threads trying to indict Obama for everything… except his ideas? Why are Republicans so content to disgrace themselves, make themselves and their party look like a bunch of 12 year olds, when they have the advantage on ‘the issues’. If you can beat him with substance, like is mentioned time and time again, about how easy it would be, and how much ammo there is… then do it!

And all of this coming from the party that supposedly values integrity and responsibility? What a joke.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
No matter how much lipstick you put on an idiot, he’s still an idiot.

Is this the Affirmative Action Presidency?[/quote]

You do realize that statistically the biggest recipients of Affirmative Action policies are white women? Ironic that you would say this given the circumstances?

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[quote]Malevolence wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:

I think the GOP should let it alone - he didn’t mean it, and anyway, they have plenty of ammo without elevating this to something it isn’t.

You know. People keep bringing this up. “There is plenty of Ammo against Obama on the issues, without the need to resort to distractions and crap”

But yet, where is it? McCain’s campaign has been undeniably more ruthless, low and immature with making a molehill(oh no! did I just call McCain a mole?!) out of every single little conceivably minute indiscretion, turn of phrase, inflection, or supposition from Obama. McCain supporters on this forum and elsewhere, spend time trying to associate Obama with terrorists, muslim extremists, racists…etc. Ranging from ribbing a gaffe to outright falsifications and untrue rumor-mongering.

So…

Where is this ammo? Thus far, Obama has, pretty much held the high ground the entire campaign, consistently addressing his swath of “issues”, what he believes is important to America, and thus far, it has been met with some of the most intellectually stunted bullshit I’ve ever seen, along with the disclaimer “this is politics, it’s ugly, get used to it”.

Then there is this talk about “but really though, there is enough ammo on the issues to sink Obama’s boat”.

If that is really the case, why the attacks? why the disingenuous guilt-by-association tactics? why the 5th grader logical leaps? why the endless stream of threads trying to indict Obama for everything… except his ideas? Why are Republicans so content to disgrace themselves, make themselves and their party look like a bunch of 12 year olds, when they have the advantage on ‘the issues’. If you can beat him with substance, like is mentioned time and time again, about how easy it would be, and how much ammo there is… then do it!

And all of this coming from the party that supposedly values integrity and responsibility? What a joke.
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Uh oh! You did it now! Backlash coming in 3, 2, 1…

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[quote]ALDurr wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
No matter how much lipstick you put on an idiot, he’s still an idiot.

Is this the Affirmative Action Presidency?

You do realize that statistically the biggest recipients of Affirmative Action policies are white women? Ironic that you would say this given the circumstances?[/quote]

Hmmm. Maybe that accounts for their increased bitchiness over the decades - more entitlements lead to an entitled mentality.

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The GOP web ad was a serious mistake. I cannot stand Obama, but he is guilty of not being more thoughtful in his choice of old sayings, not calling Palin a pig which would have been the campaign blunder of a lifetime. The man is an amateur, but not stupid. Calling her a derogatory name right when the country would bristle at it most would have been cataclysmic for the campaign. I accept his explanation and actually didn’t even really need it.

The ad risks casting the GOP as petty and dishonest which they are, just like all good campaigners must be to win, but you don’t want to get blatantly caught… at least until after the election.

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[quote]Malevolence wrote:

But yet, where is it? McCain’s campaign has been undeniably more ruthless, low and immature with making a molehill(oh no! did I just call McCain a mole?!) out of every single little conceivably minute indiscretion, turn of phrase, inflection, or supposition from Obama. McCain supporters on this forum and elsewhere, spend time trying to associate Obama with terrorists, muslim extremists, racists…etc. Ranging from ribbing a gaffe to outright falsifications and untrue rumor-mongering.

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The press is doing Obama’s “rumor-mongering” for him. Silly allegations about how Palin supports teaching creationism in science class, how she supposedly fired the Wasilla librarian for not banning books that she didn’t like, that her down’s syndrome child is actually her daughters, that she signed budget cuts as governor for programs targeting teen pregnancy and special needs children. These (and more, I can’t list them all…) are all complete and utter bullshit - but they are propagated as truth all over the press.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
The GOP web ad was a serious mistake. I cannot stand Obama, but he is guilty of not being more thoughtful in his choice of old sayings, not calling Palin a pig which would have been the campaign blunder of a lifetime. The man is an amateur, but not stupid. Calling her a derogatory name right when the country would bristle at it most would have been cataclysmic for the campaign. I accept his explanation and actually didn’t even really need it.

The ad risks casting the GOP as petty and dishonest which they are, just like all good campaigners must be to win, but you don’t want to get blatantly caught… at least until after the election.[/quote]

The ad may have already been pulled - everywhere I’ve found it, it turns out to be a dead link.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
The GOP web ad was a serious mistake. I cannot stand Obama, but he is guilty of not being more thoughtful in his choice of old sayings, not calling Palin a pig which would have been the campaign blunder of a lifetime. The man is an amateur, but not stupid. Calling her a derogatory name right when the country would bristle at it most would have been cataclysmic for the campaign. I accept his explanation and actually didn’t even really need it.

The ad risks casting the GOP as petty and dishonest which they are, just like all good campaigners must be to win, but you don’t want to get blatantly caught… at least until after the election.[/quote]

They don’t call the GOP the “Stupid Party” for nothing. Watching them squander their majority rule was a sight to behold.

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[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
Malevolence wrote:

But yet, where is it? McCain’s campaign has been undeniably more ruthless, low and immature with making a molehill(oh no! did I just call McCain a mole?!) out of every single little conceivably minute indiscretion, turn of phrase, inflection, or supposition from Obama. McCain supporters on this forum and elsewhere, spend time trying to associate Obama with terrorists, muslim extremists, racists…etc. Ranging from ribbing a gaffe to outright falsifications and untrue rumor-mongering.

The press is doing Obama’s “rumor-mongering” for him. Silly allegations about how Palin supports teaching creationism in science class, how she supposedly fired the Wasilla librarian for not banning books that she didn’t like, that her down’s syndrome child is actually her daughters, that she signed budget cuts as governor for programs targeting teen pregnancy and special needs children. These (and more, I can’t list them all…) are all complete and utter bullshit - but they are propagated as truth all over the press.

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Are you kidding me? I just saw, not even an hour ago on CNN, nearly all of the “rumors” you just listed above shown to be false. Yeah, that “Liberal” press is really fucking with our minds…

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[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
Malevolence wrote:

But yet, where is it? McCain’s campaign has been undeniably more ruthless, low and immature with making a molehill(oh no! did I just call McCain a mole?!) out of every single little conceivably minute indiscretion, turn of phrase, inflection, or supposition from Obama. McCain supporters on this forum and elsewhere, spend time trying to associate Obama with terrorists, muslim extremists, racists…etc. Ranging from ribbing a gaffe to outright falsifications and untrue rumor-mongering.

The press is doing Obama’s “rumor-mongering” for him. Silly allegations about how Palin supports teaching creationism in science class, how she supposedly fired the Wasilla librarian for not banning books that she didn’t like, that her down’s syndrome child is actually her daughters, that she signed budget cuts as governor for programs targeting teen pregnancy and special needs children. These (and more, I can’t list them all…) are all complete and utter bullshit - but they are propagated as truth all over the press.

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Wahhhh But the press is mean… waahhh

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[quote]Malevolence wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
Malevolence wrote:

But yet, where is it? McCain’s campaign has been undeniably more ruthless, low and immature with making a molehill(oh no! did I just call McCain a mole?!) out of every single little conceivably minute indiscretion, turn of phrase, inflection, or supposition from Obama. McCain supporters on this forum and elsewhere, spend time trying to associate Obama with terrorists, muslim extremists, racists…etc. Ranging from ribbing a gaffe to outright falsifications and untrue rumor-mongering.

The press is doing Obama’s “rumor-mongering” for him. Silly allegations about how Palin supports teaching creationism in science class, how she supposedly fired the Wasilla librarian for not banning books that she didn’t like, that her down’s syndrome child is actually her daughters, that she signed budget cuts as governor for programs targeting teen pregnancy and special needs children. These (and more, I can’t list them all…) are all complete and utter bullshit - but they are propagated as truth all over the press.

Wahhhh But the press is mean… waahhh

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So a demonstratably biased press is okay with you?

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
This wasn’t even CLOSE to implying that Palin was a pig; as a matter of fact, it had nothing directly to do with Palin.

He was clear; the same policies (“the pig”); attempt to make them new and refreshing by labeling them change (“lipstick”); they are still a pig (old policies).

The GOP was really reaching on this one.

Mufasa[/quote]

The fact that he said it so soon after Palin; he can then claim innocence like he did. An idiot or a hypocrite…pic one.

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Sure, why not. Last I checked, a discussion about a demonstrably biased press has dick to do with a discussion about Obama’s policies vs. McCain’s Policies on a web-forum.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
This wasn’t even CLOSE to implying that Palin was a pig; as a matter of fact, it had nothing directly to do with Palin.

He was clear; the same policies (“the pig”); attempt to make them new and refreshing by labeling them change (“lipstick”); they are still a pig (old policies).

The GOP was really reaching on this one.

Mufasa

The fact that he said it so soon after Palin; he can then claim innocence like he did. An idiot or a hypocrite…pic one.

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He’s an idiot and a hypocrite. Now, how does that effect the realities of his policies versus McCain’s?

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[quote]Malevolence wrote:
Sure, why not.
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Yes, the left has long ceased to care about objectivity, facts, etc.

I think you must have found yourself in the wrong thread. This thread is about an unfortunate Obama gaff and how it’s being spun.

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[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

I think you must have found yourself in the wrong thread. This thread is about an unfortunate Obama gaff and how it’s being spun. [/quote]

This thread is about irrelevant non-issues clouding one of the more important decisions we as Americans are entrusted to make.