Limited Contraceptives=Abortion?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:
Going back to the original topic of this thread; I’ve decided I’m willing to make a compromise with all of the pro-lifers on here.

I will agree to the idea of banning abortion, except in cases of rape.

BUT only if you will agree to institute mandatory sex education in every non-elementry school with information about every type of birth control, including where and how to get the morning after pill. [/quote]

I guess the baby that’s formed as a result of rape is “not really human” or “not fully human?”

What did the poor lil guy or gal in the womb do to deserve execution? His daddy did a bad thing so he/she, the innocent child, must give up his life and future?

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What did the poor woman do to deserve having first an unwanted, traumatizing sexual encounter, then 9 months of pregnancy with the unwanted sexual encounter’s child, followed by the (not so) lovely experience of birth? What did she do to deserve having her circulatory system used for 9 months against her will?

This is forcing someone to save someone else in the most intimate way possible and it’s taking complete control of the saver’s body against their will. It’s the equivalent of if someone was to come up to you and force you to let them hook into your circulatory system for 9 months without explaining who they were, or even what they are.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:
Going back to the original topic of this thread; I’ve decided I’m willing to make a compromise with all of the pro-lifers on here.

I will agree to the idea of banning abortion, except in cases of rape.

BUT only if you will agree to institute mandatory sex education in every non-elementry school with information about every type of birth control, including where and how to get the morning after pill. [/quote]

I guess the baby that’s formed as a result of rape is “not really human” or “not fully human?”

What did the poor lil guy or gal in the womb do to deserve execution? His daddy did a bad thing so he/she, the innocent child, must give up his life and future?

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This is just disgusting. You have no respect for women.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

This is just disgusting. You have no respect for women. [/quote]

Joe, apparently the new school I sent you to is too close to this one. You must be getting off that short bus and walking back over here. I guess I’m going to have to put you on a new bus route that takes you farther away.[/quote]

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I won’t be too far off the mark by saying this pic reflects the sentiments of some people in this thread?

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
I won’t be too far off the mark by saying this pic reflects the sentiments of some people in this thread?

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LOL! That’s when you know the last relationship didn’t go well for him.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:I won’t be too far off the mark by saying this pic reflects the sentiments of some people in this thread?[/quote]Not TOO far., but quiet and silent in church require some elucidation. It all requires at least some actually. My beloved country soared while women, who bear every bit of the image and likeness of their creator that men do, cherished their God given design of fulfilling the awesome and immeasurably honorable privileges of keeping the nest from which new life and hence citizens would emerge.

Now we’re populated by tragedies like this Ironcross person who will go to the mat for their “right” to kill their own offspring. Who have been deluded into thinking that their “Ms.” status is progress and liberty. The high role of women in the bible is one of the most consistently misrepresented aspects of authentic New Covenant Christianity there is. That said, I am NOT contending that if it were properly understood the western world’s lost women would rush to embrace it LOL! Nah. The spirit of the age has quite biblically blinded their eyes.

Make no mistake though. MEN are responsible for this fatally disastrous redefinition of womanhood. MEN have been tasked with the responsibility of manning the helm of the home and society. MEN have and are failing catastrophically. This site is the very quintessential definition of everything that is killing this country.

A Spirit filled, self controlled man who loves his wife as Christ loved His church and GAVE HIMSELF for her. A man who cherishes and honors her. Who protects her virtue and purity with his own life. Who sees her as the most precious gift of a loving God save only for the sacrifice of His son. Who views his stewardship over her and the children she bears to him as the gravest and most joyous of responsibilities. THOSE are “testosterone principles” I’ll tell ya.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

Make no mistake though. MEN are responsible for this fatally disastrous redefinition of womanhood. MEN have been tasked with the responsibility of manning the helm of the home and society. MEN have and are failing catastrophically…

A Spirit filled, self controlled man who loves his wife as Christ loved His church and GAVE HIMSELF for her. A man who cherishes and honors her. Who protects her virtue and purity with his own life. Who sees her as the most precious gift of a loving God save only for the sacrifice of His son. Who views his stewardship over her and the children she bears to him as the gravest and most joyous of responsibilities. THOSE are “testosterone principles” I’ll tell ya.

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^^ That

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

If they’re not there to kill a baby what are they doing there? Testing new anesthesia techniques? When they poke that big nasty syringe and needle into the baby’s skull and plunge the potassium chloride into its tiny body and then vacuum out the body shredding it in the process what are they doing there? Filming a Hoover commercial?

No, Capped, they honest-to-gosh are there to kill a baby. There’s no other reason for everyone to show up.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Wow, funny, because I never said that.

I never said an innocent human being doesn’t die. I never said the death was not the fault of the mother (and whoever performs the abortion). I never said the death wasnt deliberate.

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Well then, we are making progress.

Tell that, what you said above, to the other nincompoops on this thread, and anyone else for that matter, who concocts the preposterous rationalizations that it’s not really/fully human and/or the momma aint doin’ no wrong by prematurely and intentionally expelling The Thing from HER body.

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I said the POINT of abortion is not to deliberately take the life of an innocent human being. Yes, that happens but that is not the POINT of it.

Is that clarified properly?[/quote]

Then what is the POINT?[/quote]

The point is to remove a baby from a woman. The fact that the baby dies is a (currently) inevitable result, but that’s not the reason.

You and sloth keep acting like women who have abortions, and medical staff who perform them, have some desire to terminate the lives of unborn children completely independent of removing it from an unwilling mother.

You can understand that people die in war, but the POINT of war is not to kill people - its to accomplish an objective. You can understand that giving someone the death penalty results in someone dying, but the POINT of the death penalty isnt to kill people (its to keep the rest of society safe). I’m sure we could think of countless other examples.

Yet, when it comes to abortion, you want to use the logic that “X causes Y, therefore those who do X must have a desire for Y”. Its bad logic, Push.

Do you understand my position better, now?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:<<< I agree with this post with the exception of, “This site is the very quintessential definition of everything that is killing this country.”

I believe the core principles of this site as stated by TC on a number of occasions, although not religious in tone, certainly fall into line with those of the honorable man alluded to in the above.[/quote]Says the blasphemous porn surfing pervert who pimps his own wife out on an internet forum for the public consumption of a debauched and depraved world in which he finds himself quite at home. All the while daring to proclaim the blessing of the spotless Lamb of the thrice holy God on his abominable life.

Please Push. If I want your views on honorable men I’ll go read the graffiti in East Detroit.

Repent. Or you are gonna pay not only for your own soul but that of the women you have so grievously betrayed. The fact that she doesn’t know the covenant of God any better than you do does not in any way exonerate you. YOU have been commissioned to see to her well being on every level and you are a spiritual first degree murderer of her virtue and honor.

I will not cease to to cry out to the longsuffering Lord of the earth that He have mercy and free you from your chains.

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The point is to remove a baby from a woman.[/quote]

Then everyone should rejoice.
Cause we have found a way to do exactly that !
Without killing the baby !

It’s called “wait a few months”.

Granted, it may ruin your holidays.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

I keep telling him that but he is too impatient. Gotta fix the “problem” NOW. Doesn’t matter who gets stomped on in the process.[/quote]

Heh. I didn’t even think of that. Somehow it went right past me. There IS a process for safely removing the human life from the womb, preserving it’s life. It’s called birth, lol.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

I keep telling him that but he is too impatient. Gotta fix the “problem” NOW. Doesn’t matter who gets stomped on in the process.[/quote]

Hey, Push, I’m gonna stop by and take all of your guns. I’ll get them back to you.

Oh, sure, you have the right to keep them, but not right now.

…wait, you suddenly agree that rights should be respected at all times, and not after some waiting period? And that its laughable to say “Sure, we’ll respect your rights… just not right now”?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:
Going back to the original topic of this thread; I’ve decided I’m willing to make a compromise with all of the pro-lifers on here.

I will agree to the idea of banning abortion, except in cases of rape.

BUT only if you will agree to institute mandatory sex education in every non-elementry school with information about every type of birth control, including where and how to get the morning after pill. [/quote]

I guess the baby that’s formed as a result of rape is “not really human” or “not fully human?”

What did the poor lil guy or gal in the womb do to deserve execution? His daddy did a bad thing so he/she, the innocent child, must give up his life and future?

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Can’t say I disagree here - hardly the childs fault how it comes to be.

Besides, outlawing abortion “except in cases of rape” wont result in less abortions, it’ll just result in more rape charges.