[quote]pushharder wrote:
Another coincidence? “It’s her (the “property” owner) body! She can do with what she wants!”
Sounds like a slaver to me.[/quote]
Said the man who trained his children like dogs.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Sadly for your argument, slavery has existed in and has eventually been outlawed in every civilization. The same cannot be said for abortion. The fact is, as was pointed out by someone who was on the side of outlawing it, it’s legalization has been seen in every society as part of it’s progression through the developmental phases.
Also sad for your argument is that if you’d been born 200 years ago and stood on the conservative side you love, you’d be voting for slavery.
The only thing slavery and abortion have in common is that liberals have stood on the side that eventually became a wide-spread law throughout the most progressive countries in the world.
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Double-speak at its finest. Orwell would’ve been proud.
To equate the widespread freeing of human slaves with the widespread violent annihilation of the most innocent of all humans goes beyond the pale.
No Mississippi/Caribbean/Brazilian plantation owner EVER had to contort himself as much as you just did in order to rationalize his malevolent acts.[/quote]
Whine all you like, the world’s view is not going to change to accept your irrational argument that a woman should be held responsible as a murderer for removing an embryo from her body. If the embryo can’t survive, that isn’t the woman’s fault, just like it isn’t the doctor’s fault that certain embryos are defective and not good candidates for implantation. Similarly, it isn’t your fault that poor, born children are dying because their parents are inadequate. It’s the poor’s fault they are poor. It’s sad that not all beings are equally capable of surviving, but it doesn’t mean that someone is at fault because they are not helping. If that was true, you would personally be required to assist every inadequate person in existence.
It’s not your fault that kids in your community are the children of those with serious substance abuse issues and as a result have limited self-control. It’s not your fault they kill themselves with drugs and are generally less able to survive than you. You shouldn’t be responsible for them in any way. If they cannot take care of themselves to the point that they die, you shouldn’t be held responsible. In the same manner, it’s not a woman’s fault that the embryo can’t survive outside her body. If you are not responsible for the biological inadequacies of others, why should she be?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]joebassin wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Another coincidence? “It’s her (the “property” owner) body! She can do with what she wants!”
Sounds like a slaver to me.[/quote]
Said the man who trained his children like dogs.[/quote]
Indeed.
A firm, consistent, caring, loving hand. Works like a charm on dogs and children.[/quote]
In dog training the dog has to obey you just like a slave with his owners.
What you do with your children sound like slavery to me.
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Sadly for you, Edmund Burke, widely seen as the father of Conservatism, was anti-slavery. Your progressive-liberal vs Conservatism didn’t exist.
[quote]ironcross wrote:
In the same manner, it’s not a woman’s fault that the embryo can’t survive outside her body. If you are not responsible for the biological inadequacies of others, why should she be?[/quote]
Um, because she is. It called reproductive nature.
Edit: Seriously? In the same manner? The same manner?! Huh?
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Whine all you like, the world’s view is not going to change[/quote]
It’s already changing. Secularized progressive-liberals are contracepting/aborting themselves into the dustbin of history.
Is there anyone here that doesn’t believe they have the right to life? I assume not. So, I hope everyone is well aware that they are the same individual human life that was an embryo/fetus. No breaks in the continuity. No organism swap out part way through. Same creature. Same individual life. Fact.
If you claim a right to life, you claim it’s entirety. Feels good to be part of the modern abolitionist movement.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Whine all you like, the world’s view is not going to change[/quote]
It’s already changing. Secularized progressive-liberals are contracepting/aborting themselves into the dustbin of history.[/quote]As much as I abhor abortion (and am becoming less tolerant of even contraception) I will say again. Most people who would perpetrate or approve of the sick and morally twisted butchery of their own offspring are people I would just as soon not have reproduce themselves. At least as they are now. God orders even the abominations of sinful man so as to praise His glorious name. This is not be in any way interpreted as meaning I would in any given instance approve of or encourage this horrific practice. Only that God once again gives sinners what they want. All throughout history one of His grave judgements has been giving people over to the lusts of their own hearts and watching them destroy themselves in their self obsessed bloodlust and debauchery.
You may be too “charitable” I think (maybe) to say anything so harsh as this, but it is a fact nonetheless.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Whine all you like, the world’s view is not going to change[/quote]
It’s already changing. Secularized progressive-liberals are contracepting/aborting themselves into the dustbin of history.[/quote]As much as I abhor abortion (and am becoming less tolerant of even contraception) I will say again. Most people who would perpetrate or approve of the sick and morally twisted butchery of their own offspring are people I would just as soon not have reproduce themselves. At least as they are now. God orders even the abominations of sinful man so as to praise His glorious name. This is not be in any way interpreted as meaning I would in any given instance approve of or encourage this horrific practice. Only that God once again gives sinners what they want. All throughout history one of His grave judgements has been giving people over to the lusts of their own hearts and watching them destroy themselves in their self obsessed bloodlust and debauchery.
You may be too “charitable” I think (maybe) to say anything so harsh as this, but it is a fact nonetheless.
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[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Whine all you like, the world’s view is not going to change[/quote]
It’s already changing. Secularized progressive-liberals are contracepting/aborting themselves into the dustbin of history.[/quote]
Which countries is it changing in? America is not the most advanced country in the world in terms of how far along the urbanization path it is. Abortion law are not at risk of changing in any of the more advanced countries. If they are changed in the less advanced, I would bet you a fortune that the new laws will be reversed eventually to allow safe abortion practices.
[quote]ironcross wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Whine all you like, the world’s view is not going to change[/quote]
It’s already changing. Secularized progressive-liberals are contracepting/aborting themselves into the dustbin of history.[/quote]
Which countries is it changing in? America is not the most advanced country in the world in terms of how far along the urbanization path it is. Abortion law are not at risk of changing in any of the more advanced countries. If they are changed in the less advanced, I would bet you a fortune that the new laws will be reversed eventually to allow safe abortion practices.[/quote]
Every country below replacement fertility.
And there is no such thing as ‘safe abortion practices’ for one of the lives involved.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ironcross wrote:
In the same manner, it’s not a woman’s fault that the embryo can’t survive outside her body. If you are not responsible for the biological inadequacies of others, why should she be?[/quote]
Um, because she is. It called reproductive nature.
Edit: Seriously? In the same manner? The same manner?! Huh?[/quote]
So you’re just making up some terminology to fit your side of the argument?
We are all dependent on each other in some way. But as it was pointed out earlier, you are not required by law to help someone else, even if it is within your ability to do so. A mother is allowed to dump her baby off on another person or even at a random, previously assigned building. You are allowed, at any point, to sign away rights to your kids and subject them to a life in the foster-care system. You’re even allowed to not take care of your grandparents, who might die without your care. Yet in any of these situations, if the kid or grandparent dies as a result of your decision, you aren’t held responsible because it’s not your fault that they can’t survive. Once a person signs away their rights to another person, it isn’t their responsibility, even if they are related and have the ability to care for them.
Your argument that the mother is required to support the baby with her body because she can before it’s born and she made the child doesn’t hold in light of her innocence in not caring for the child, if she decides, after it’s born, but before it has the ability to care for itself. What you have is a slippery slope, not a moral grounding.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ironcross wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Whine all you like, the world’s view is not going to change[/quote]
It’s already changing. Secularized progressive-liberals are contracepting/aborting themselves into the dustbin of history.[/quote]
Which countries is it changing in? America is not the most advanced country in the world in terms of how far along the urbanization path it is. Abortion law are not at risk of changing in any of the more advanced countries. If they are changed in the less advanced, I would bet you a fortune that the new laws will be reversed eventually to allow safe abortion practices.[/quote]
Every country below replacement fertility.[/quote]
No, these are the countries where it’s not changing. In addition, whether you like it or not, below replacement fertility is where we’re all heading.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Sadly for you, Edmund Burke, widely seen as the father of Conservatism, was anti-slavery. Your progressive-liberal vs Conservatism didn’t exist. [/quote]
Regardless, the majority of people for slavery were conservatives.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]joebassin wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]joebassin wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Another coincidence? “It’s her (the “property” owner) body! She can do with what she wants!”
Sounds like a slaver to me.[/quote]
Said the man who trained his children like dogs.[/quote]
Indeed.
A firm, consistent, caring, loving hand. Works like a charm on dogs and children.[/quote]
In dog training the dog has to obey you just like a slave with his owners.
What you do with your children sound like slavery to me.[/quote]
Joe, you’re simply not bright enough to compete here in the arena of ideas. I don’t know if it’s the language barrier or what but your light bulb upstairs burns dimly. I sorry but I have to dismiss you.
Your best bet is to go back to just posting pics and memes. When you’re not copying and pasting - in other words when you’re actually formulating your own thoughts and typing them down - you simply appear to be mentally handicapped.
I’m serious. [/quote]
I know I look stupid when I’m using your type of logic.