Limited Contraceptives=Abortion?

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[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:
joebassin’s logic :
if i repeat the same bad argument four times, it will sound suddenly sound good. Like that, no one will see that i fail miserably with my last example.[/quote]

Did he? Or was it an excellent jab at the fact that not all people with a brain can think? [/quote]

Why don’t you look. So far he’s come up with a mixture of Red Herrings, Strawmen, and ad hominems and then trying to pretend like it’s impeccable deductive logic. The educated can see through that shit in a hurry.[/quote]

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973),[1] was a landmark controversial decision by the United States Supreme Court on the issue of abortion. The Court decided that a right to privacy under the due process clause in the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution extends to a woman’s decision to have an abortion, but that right must be balanced against the state’s two legitimate interests for regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting the woman’s health. Saying that these state interests become stronger over the course of a pregnancy, the Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the woman’s current trimester of pregnancy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade[/quote]

Do you prefer Red Herring or Strawman? Either apply, but doesn’t answer the question, Is the life you are taking human? Abortion is murder, whether it’s legal, whether it’s accepted, whether people think its good fun has no bearing on the truth or reality of the situation.
Having sorry, weak, lousy excuses does not change that fact. The fact that people do it anyway does not deny it’s reality. The fact that it’s the killing of a human life and morally equivalent to murder is the reality here.
Slavery was once a legal, yet morally reprehensible reality. So is this. Is this like or equal to slavery? No, this is worse.

I find it terribly ironic that everybody here is arguing for legal abortion yet claiming they themselves wouldn’t do it… How dumb. If you support it, you should do it. It should be ok to do. There should be no problem doing it. Yet the sentiment is “Oh I wouldn’t have an abortion, but I think it’s just a peachy idea!”…
What ever. If abortion isn’t wrong, then have one and defend it as right. Don’t defend it and say you won’t have one. That’s simply saying you know it’s reality, but you’re to chicken shit to take a stand and defend it. After all, ain’t funking fun? I mean, it’s like an accident. People fuck and don’t reallu mean it! Fuck off. Get porn and jack off. You can’t get a video pregnant.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:
joebassin’s logic :
if i repeat the same bad argument four times, it will sound suddenly sound good. Like that, no one will see that i fail miserably with my last example.[/quote]

Did he? Or was it an excellent jab at the fact that not all people with a brain can think? [/quote]

Why don’t you look. So far he’s come up with a mixture of Red Herrings, Strawmen, and ad hominems and then trying to pretend like it’s impeccable deductive logic. The educated can see through that shit in a hurry.[/quote]

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973),[1] was a landmark controversial decision by the United States Supreme Court on the issue of abortion. The Court decided that a right to privacy under the due process clause in the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution extends to a woman’s decision to have an abortion, but that right must be balanced against the state’s two legitimate interests for regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting the woman’s health. Saying that these state interests become stronger over the course of a pregnancy, the Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the woman’s current trimester of pregnancy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade[/quote]

Do you prefer Red Herring or Strawman? Either apply, but doesn’t answer the question, Is the life you are taking human? Abortion is murder, whether it’s legal, whether it’s accepted, whether people think its good fun has no bearing on the truth or reality of the situation.
Having sorry, weak, lousy excuses does not change that fact. The fact that people do it anyway does not deny it’s reality. The fact that it’s the killing of a human life and morally equivalent to murder is the reality here.
Slavery was once a legal, yet morally reprehensible reality. So is this. Is this like or equal to slavery? No, this is worse.

I find it terribly ironic that everybody here is arguing for legal abortion yet claiming they themselves wouldn’t do it… How dumb. If you support it, you should do it. It should be ok to do. There should be no problem doing it. Yet the sentiment is “Oh I wouldn’t have an abortion, but I think it’s just a peachy idea!”…
What ever. If abortion isn’t wrong, then have one and defend it as right. Don’t defend it and say you won’t have one. That’s simply saying you know it’s reality, but you’re to chicken shit to take a stand and defend it. After all, ain’t funking fun? I mean, it’s like an accident. People fuck and don’t reallu mean it! Fuck off. Get porn and jack off. You can’t get a video pregnant.[/quote]

I think Roe vs Wade is spot on. Equating abortion to murder is your opinion, others will not agree.

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[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:
joebassin’s logic :
if i repeat the same bad argument four times, it will sound suddenly sound good. Like that, no one will see that i fail miserably with my last example.[/quote]

Did he? Or was it an excellent jab at the fact that not all people with a brain can think? [/quote]

Why don’t you look. So far he’s come up with a mixture of Red Herrings, Strawmen, and ad hominems and then trying to pretend like it’s impeccable deductive logic. The educated can see through that shit in a hurry.[/quote]

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973),[1] was a landmark controversial decision by the United States Supreme Court on the issue of abortion. The Court decided that a right to privacy under the due process clause in the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution extends to a woman’s decision to have an abortion, but that right must be balanced against the state’s two legitimate interests for regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting the woman’s health. Saying that these state interests become stronger over the course of a pregnancy, the Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the woman’s current trimester of pregnancy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade[/quote]

Do you prefer Red Herring or Strawman? Either apply, but doesn’t answer the question, Is the life you are taking human? Abortion is murder, whether it’s legal, whether it’s accepted, whether people think its good fun has no bearing on the truth or reality of the situation.
Having sorry, weak, lousy excuses does not change that fact. The fact that people do it anyway does not deny it’s reality. The fact that it’s the killing of a human life and morally equivalent to murder is the reality here.
Slavery was once a legal, yet morally reprehensible reality. So is this. Is this like or equal to slavery? No, this is worse.

I find it terribly ironic that everybody here is arguing for legal abortion yet claiming they themselves wouldn’t do it… How dumb. If you support it, you should do it. It should be ok to do. There should be no problem doing it. Yet the sentiment is “Oh I wouldn’t have an abortion, but I think it’s just a peachy idea!”…
What ever. If abortion isn’t wrong, then have one and defend it as right. Don’t defend it and say you won’t have one. That’s simply saying you know it’s reality, but you’re to chicken shit to take a stand and defend it. After all, ain’t funking fun? I mean, it’s like an accident. People fuck and don’t reallu mean it! Fuck off. Get porn and jack off. You can’t get a video pregnant.[/quote]

I think Roe vs Wade is spot on. Equating abortion to murder is your opinion, others will not agree. [/quote]

Not a matter of opinion. What is murder? The deliberate killing of another human being. What human being is more innocent and vulnerable than an unborn child?

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:
joebassin’s logic :
if i repeat the same bad argument four times, it will sound suddenly sound good. Like that, no one will see that i fail miserably with my last example.[/quote]

Did he? Or was it an excellent jab at the fact that not all people with a brain can think? [/quote]

Why don’t you look. So far he’s come up with a mixture of Red Herrings, Strawmen, and ad hominems and then trying to pretend like it’s impeccable deductive logic. The educated can see through that shit in a hurry.[/quote]

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973),[1] was a landmark controversial decision by the United States Supreme Court on the issue of abortion. The Court decided that a right to privacy under the due process clause in the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution extends to a woman’s decision to have an abortion, but that right must be balanced against the state’s two legitimate interests for regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting the woman’s health. Saying that these state interests become stronger over the course of a pregnancy, the Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the woman’s current trimester of pregnancy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade[/quote]

Do you prefer Red Herring or Strawman? Either apply, but doesn’t answer the question, Is the life you are taking human? Abortion is murder, whether it’s legal, whether it’s accepted, whether people think its good fun has no bearing on the truth or reality of the situation.
Having sorry, weak, lousy excuses does not change that fact. The fact that people do it anyway does not deny it’s reality. The fact that it’s the killing of a human life and morally equivalent to murder is the reality here.
Slavery was once a legal, yet morally reprehensible reality. So is this. Is this like or equal to slavery? No, this is worse.

I find it terribly ironic that everybody here is arguing for legal abortion yet claiming they themselves wouldn’t do it… How dumb. If you support it, you should do it. It should be ok to do. There should be no problem doing it. Yet the sentiment is “Oh I wouldn’t have an abortion, but I think it’s just a peachy idea!”…
What ever. If abortion isn’t wrong, then have one and defend it as right. Don’t defend it and say you won’t have one. That’s simply saying you know it’s reality, but you’re to chicken shit to take a stand and defend it. After all, ain’t funking fun? I mean, it’s like an accident. People fuck and don’t reallu mean it! Fuck off. Get porn and jack off. You can’t get a video pregnant.[/quote]

I think Roe vs Wade is spot on. Equating abortion to murder is your opinion, others will not agree. [/quote]

Not a matter of opinion. What is murder? The deliberate killing of another human being. What human being is more innocent and vulnerable than an unborn child?[/quote]

At which point the embryo becomes a human? Also others circumstances may be at play. That’s why this is important :

that right must be balanced against the state’s two legitimate interests for regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting the woman’s health. Saying that these state interests become stronger over the course of a pregnancy, the Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the woman’s current trimester of pregnancy.

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This isn’t about state or federal legislation. And it’s not about ‘when’ an embryo becomes human. It’s a human embryo isn’t it? Simple stuff. An embryo is a human being - whether already or in the making is irrelevant.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
This isn’t about state or federal legislation. And it’s not about ‘when’ an embryo becomes human. It’s a human embryo isn’t it? Simple stuff. An embryo is a human being - whether already or in the making is irrelevant.[/quote]

Legislation do not matter, I Agree. But if it is so obviously a murder why these guys at the supreme court can’t see it? Your false assumption is that an embryo is a human being.

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[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:
joebassin’s logic :
if i repeat the same bad argument four times, it will sound suddenly sound good. Like that, no one will see that i fail miserably with my last example.[/quote]

Did he? Or was it an excellent jab at the fact that not all people with a brain can think? [/quote]

Why don’t you look. So far he’s come up with a mixture of Red Herrings, Strawmen, and ad hominems and then trying to pretend like it’s impeccable deductive logic. The educated can see through that shit in a hurry.[/quote]

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973),[1] was a landmark controversial decision by the United States Supreme Court on the issue of abortion. The Court decided that a right to privacy under the due process clause in the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution extends to a woman’s decision to have an abortion, but that right must be balanced against the state’s two legitimate interests for regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting the woman’s health. Saying that these state interests become stronger over the course of a pregnancy, the Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the woman’s current trimester of pregnancy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade[/quote]

Do you prefer Red Herring or Strawman? Either apply, but doesn’t answer the question, Is the life you are taking human? Abortion is murder, whether it’s legal, whether it’s accepted, whether people think its good fun has no bearing on the truth or reality of the situation.
Having sorry, weak, lousy excuses does not change that fact. The fact that people do it anyway does not deny it’s reality. The fact that it’s the killing of a human life and morally equivalent to murder is the reality here.
Slavery was once a legal, yet morally reprehensible reality. So is this. Is this like or equal to slavery? No, this is worse.

I find it terribly ironic that everybody here is arguing for legal abortion yet claiming they themselves wouldn’t do it… How dumb. If you support it, you should do it. It should be ok to do. There should be no problem doing it. Yet the sentiment is “Oh I wouldn’t have an abortion, but I think it’s just a peachy idea!”…
What ever. If abortion isn’t wrong, then have one and defend it as right. Don’t defend it and say you won’t have one. That’s simply saying you know it’s reality, but you’re to chicken shit to take a stand and defend it. After all, ain’t funking fun? I mean, it’s like an accident. People fuck and don’t reallu mean it! Fuck off. Get porn and jack off. You can’t get a video pregnant.[/quote]

I think Roe vs Wade is spot on. Equating abortion to murder is your opinion, others will not agree. [/quote]

No, it’s a fucking fact. If you don’t agree it just means you wrong. Human life does not start when a baby crowns the pussy. It’s already human before that happens. That is a fact and scientific one at that.

BTW, Jane Roe, Norma McCorvey, is pro-life and never had an abortion. She is a huge pro-life crusader. I met her, actually I shared a cigarette with her and talked to her about her life and how she came to be the object of the debate.
She is now a practicing Catholic and has been activly trying to over turn the verdict based on her coerced participation in the matter.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]
I think Roe vs Wade is spot on. Equating abortion to murder is your opinion, others will not agree. [/quote]

Not a matter of opinion. What is murder? The deliberate killing of another human being. What human being is more innocent and vulnerable than an unborn child?[/quote]

Ya know Sex Machine, I’d have never guessed a person with your alias would be a thoughtful, intelligent person…Kudos sir…

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[quote]
That’s exactly my point, the law isn’t going to eliminate abortion to the degree that access to affordable contraception will.[/quote]

-these solutions are not mutually exclusive.

-my students have access to free pills, free condoms, free advices, free sexual education, free psychological support, free health care, etc. Not only free, but anonymous and confidential too.
Thanks to our “socialist” system.

You can’t make it more affordable than that.

Yet, each year, without exception, there is at least one of my student who become a mother.
Two last year.
And i’m speaking about the girls who choose to NOT abort.
A minority, statistically…
I don’t know how many have an abortion before they even turn 18. Several each years, i guess.

I’m sorry but “wanna have sex under my roof with a different little punk each week ? It’s ok, go for it, but don’t forget the condoms !” is NOT an answer.
It may barely works with kids who already have a good level of general education.
But it won’t works with the kids i see every day in my classroom.

These kids are lost. Trapped between the permissivity and irresponsibility of the West and the rigid but painfully outdated authority of their own culture.

We should give them a clear and firm middleway.
A moral one.
Set in the stone of the law.

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pff

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:
joebassin’s logic :
if i repeat the same bad argument four times, it will sound suddenly sound good. Like that, no one will see that i fail miserably with my last example.[/quote]

Did he? Or was it an excellent jab at the fact that not all people with a brain can think? [/quote]

Why don’t you look. So far he’s come up with a mixture of Red Herrings, Strawmen, and ad hominems and then trying to pretend like it’s impeccable deductive logic. The educated can see through that shit in a hurry.[/quote]

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973),[1] was a landmark controversial decision by the United States Supreme Court on the issue of abortion. The Court decided that a right to privacy under the due process clause in the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution extends to a woman’s decision to have an abortion, but that right must be balanced against the state’s two legitimate interests for regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting the woman’s health. Saying that these state interests become stronger over the course of a pregnancy, the Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the woman’s current trimester of pregnancy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade[/quote]

Do you prefer Red Herring or Strawman? Either apply, but doesn’t answer the question, Is the life you are taking human? Abortion is murder, whether it’s legal, whether it’s accepted, whether people think its good fun has no bearing on the truth or reality of the situation.
Having sorry, weak, lousy excuses does not change that fact. The fact that people do it anyway does not deny it’s reality. The fact that it’s the killing of a human life and morally equivalent to murder is the reality here.
Slavery was once a legal, yet morally reprehensible reality. So is this. Is this like or equal to slavery? No, this is worse.

I find it terribly ironic that everybody here is arguing for legal abortion yet claiming they themselves wouldn’t do it… How dumb. If you support it, you should do it. It should be ok to do. There should be no problem doing it. Yet the sentiment is “Oh I wouldn’t have an abortion, but I think it’s just a peachy idea!”…
What ever. If abortion isn’t wrong, then have one and defend it as right. Don’t defend it and say you won’t have one. That’s simply saying you know it’s reality, but you’re to chicken shit to take a stand and defend it. After all, ain’t funking fun? I mean, it’s like an accident. People fuck and don’t reallu mean it! Fuck off. Get porn and jack off. You can’t get a video pregnant.[/quote]

I think Roe vs Wade is spot on. Equating abortion to murder is your opinion, others will not agree. [/quote]

No, it’s a fucking fact. [/quote]

Proof please.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]
I think Roe vs Wade is spot on. Equating abortion to murder is your opinion, others will not agree. [/quote]

Not a matter of opinion. What is murder? The deliberate killing of another human being. What human being is more innocent and vulnerable than an unborn child?[/quote]

Ya know Sex Machine, I’d have never guessed a person with your alias would be a thoughtful, intelligent person…Kudos sir…[/quote]

Thanks pat. I guess it is a silly name. I was actually thinking of changing it to ‘the artist formerly known as SexMachine.’ Either that or ‘SexDiddy.’

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]
I think Roe vs Wade is spot on. Equating abortion to murder is your opinion, others will not agree. [/quote]

Not a matter of opinion. What is murder? The deliberate killing of another human being. What human being is more innocent and vulnerable than an unborn child?[/quote]

Ya know Sex Machine, I’d have never guessed a person with your alias would be a thoughtful, intelligent person…Kudos sir…[/quote]

Thanks pat. I guess it is a silly name. I was actually thinking of changing it to ‘the artist formerly known as SexMachine.’ Either that or ‘SexDiddy.’[/quote]

Then transition into S-Diddy

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]
I think Roe vs Wade is spot on. Equating abortion to murder is your opinion, others will not agree. [/quote]

Not a matter of opinion. What is murder? The deliberate killing of another human being. What human being is more innocent and vulnerable than an unborn child?[/quote]

Ya know Sex Machine, I’d have never guessed a person with your alias would be a thoughtful, intelligent person…Kudos sir…[/quote]

Thanks pat. I guess it is a silly name. I was actually thinking of changing it to ‘the artist formerly known as SexMachine.’ Either that or ‘SexDiddy.’[/quote]

Then transition into S-Diddy[/quote]

S-Meister Diddy

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The science of embryology is clear. From the earliest stages of development, the unborn are distinct, living, and whole human beings.

Taken from Scott, a friend of mine.

[quote]joebassin wrote:
Proof please.[/quote]

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
The science of embryology is clear. From the earliest stages of development, the unborn are distinct, living, and whole human beings.

Taken from Scott, a friend of mine.

[quote]joebassin wrote:
Proof please.[/quote]
[/quote]

Good old Scott should learn that science does not tell us when an embryo becomes a person.

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strange…
i thought you were an atheist.
But now, since you can not use science to make your point, you’re suddenly trying to use a concept developped by christian theologians during the six first centuries of the Church.

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[quote]kamui wrote:
strange…
i thought you were an atheist.
But now, since you can not use science to make your point, you’re suddenly trying to use a concept developped by christian theologians during the six first centuries of the Church.

[/quote]

I can’t use science because it does not provide an answer to this question. It’s thus a question of personal ethics. If for you killing an embryo is wrong then I respect your opinion. But you can’t say I’m wrong for not agreeing with you.

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Oops, you did it again.

Hard time thinking outside your christian box maybe ?
Oh the irony.