Why don’t feminists hate spousal support? Isn’t that essentially admitting that they cant take care of themselves?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
So I ask, what is better at the societal level?
Creating incentives for the non-working spouse to initiate divorce at a very low cost, or leaving them in the lurch and forcing a portion of them to endure bad/abusive relationships?
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Wait, she can still get out.
If she can only get out if she gets a fat check, how bad was it really?
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Why don’t feminists hate spousal support? Isn’t that essentially admitting that they cant take care of themselves? [/quote]
In the beginning they did, but then they found out that that would mean that they would get no money.
That is literally what happened.
But then, the Rationalization Hamster mounted his mighty wheel and told them why its all good, also, patriarchy.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Why don’t feminists hate spousal support? Isn’t that essentially admitting that they cant take care of themselves? [/quote]
LOL. Same reasons why millions of people that abuse the system and collect unemployment, ss, and welfare don’t. Because free money is better then no money!
Interesting…
Young Americans increasingly express apprehension about their ability to successfully manage intimate relationships. Partially in response, cohabitation has become normative over the past few decades. Little research, however, examines social class distinctions in how emerging adults perceive challenges to sustaining intimate unions. We examine cohabitors’ views of divorce and how these color their sentiments regarding marriage. Data are from in-depth interviews with 122 working- and middle-class cohabitors. More than two thirds of respondents mentioned concerns with divorce.
Working-class women, in particular, view marriage less favorably than do their male and middle-class counterparts, in part because they see marriage as hard to exit and are reluctant to assume restrictive gender roles. Middle-class cohabitors are more likely to have concrete wedding plans and believe that marriage signifies a greater commitment than does cohabitation. These differences in views of marriage and divorce may help explain the bifurcation of cohabitation outcomes among working- and middle-class cohabitors.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Why don’t feminists hate spousal support? Isn’t that essentially admitting that they cant take care of themselves? [/quote]
Modern feminism isn’t about equality. That stopped about 1963 or so.
It’s about domination, power, and the destruction of the family unit, by any means necessary.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Why don’t feminists hate spousal support? Isn’t that essentially admitting that they cant take care of themselves? [/quote]
Modern feminism isn’t about equality. That stopped about 1963 or so.
It’s about domination, power, and the destruction of the family unit, by any means necessary.[/quote]
Damn. Someday im going to quote you on this.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Why don’t feminists hate spousal support? Isn’t that essentially admitting that they cant take care of themselves? [/quote]
Modern feminism isn’t about equality. That stopped about 1963 or so.
It’s about domination, power, and the destruction of the family unit, by any means necessary.[/quote]
Damn. Someday im going to quote you on this. [/quote]
I thought that was the uber-liberal mindset in general?
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
I can’t imagine if there are kids involved that they would be okay with something like this unless they literally hated their father. I wouldn’t be able to put up with my mother living the dream whilst bankrupting my dad.[/quote]
When children become teens they want only for themselves, if mom is going to give them everything they will go with mom. Or vice versa
Csulli you may be the anomaly but most teens are self centered, egotistical little black holes of financial and emotional suckatud [/quote]
AND easily manipulated. You wouldn’t believe how much of an effect a mother breaking down, crying on the kitchen floor will have on a teenage boy. Regardless of who’s right, at that age the instinct is still to fix the problem, however with lack of maturity, life experience, and intelligence. If Dad’s doing this to Mom because mom said he was, then Dad’s a piece of shit. NO ifs ands or buts.
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You seem to also lack intelligence, and maturity. I am actually a “teenage boy”, and I have two of those characteristics. I assume you also want me to back up this statement so you can feel somewhat good about yourself for looking in a dictionary for an insult.
1: My school requires a high level of maturity, or you will be expelled. For example if I had an aggressive outburst, or yell, or whatever else you stereotype me to do I would be expelled.
2: My Frammar, Math and English skills are superior to most adults. The Grammar can be shown just merely by reading my message, and yours.
Now, life experience is something I technically “don’t have”, but intelligence, and maturity definitely beats the only thing you have; your life experience. Now, as you are likely frantically searching your empty skull for a counter argument I shall prove this.
1: Your message was awful. Your run-on sentences were like an icepick lobotomy to everyone. You made basic English errors that even a special ed kid should know. For example you do not need a comma before and when making a list, you left know obvious examples of who you were talking about; we had to interpret that you were talking about teenagers, and that you were assuming it was a male.
2: Most non-biased people would realize that talking about a group of people in absolutes anonymously is immature. You appear to be saying all teenagers lack: Intelligence, maturity and life experience. If I showed one of many examples it would tear apart your statement.
As you can likely tell from this, a teenage boy just mentally defiled you. I look forward to your response.
DSSG
Step 1 - divorce
Step 2 - hire hit man, establish alibi
Step 3 - #######
Step 4 - Enjoy life
[quote]DSSG wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
I can’t imagine if there are kids involved that they would be okay with something like this unless they literally hated their father. I wouldn’t be able to put up with my mother living the dream whilst bankrupting my dad.[/quote]
When children become teens they want only for themselves, if mom is going to give them everything they will go with mom. Or vice versa
Csulli you may be the anomaly but most teens are self centered, egotistical little black holes of financial and emotional suckatud [/quote]
AND easily manipulated. You wouldn’t believe how much of an effect a mother breaking down, crying on the kitchen floor will have on a teenage boy. Regardless of who’s right, at that age the instinct is still to fix the problem, however with lack of maturity, life experience, and intelligence. If Dad’s doing this to Mom because mom said he was, then Dad’s a piece of shit. NO ifs ands or buts.
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You seem to also lack intelligence, and maturity. I am actually a “teenage boy”, and I have two of those characteristics. I assume you also want me to back up this statement so you can feel somewhat good about yourself for looking in a dictionary for an insult.
1: My school requires a high level of maturity, or you will be expelled. For example if I had an aggressive outburst, or yell, or whatever else you stereotype me to do I would be expelled.
2: My Frammar, Math and English skills are superior to most adults. The Grammar can be shown just merely by reading my message, and yours.
Now, life experience is something I technically “don’t have”, but intelligence, and maturity definitely beats the only thing you have; your life experience. Now, as you are likely frantically searching your empty skull for a counter argument I shall prove this.
1: Your message was awful. Your run-on sentences were like an icepick lobotomy to everyone. You made basic English errors that even a special ed kid should know. For example you do not need a comma before and when making a list, you left know obvious examples of who you were talking about; we had to interpret that you were talking about teenagers, and that you were assuming it was a male.
2: Most non-biased people would realize that talking about a group of people in absolutes anonymously is immature. You appear to be saying all teenagers lack: Intelligence, maturity and life experience. If I showed one of many examples it would tear apart your statement.
As you can likely tell from this, a teenage boy just mentally defiled you. I look forward to your response.
DSSG[/quote]
[quote]DSSG wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
I can’t imagine if there are kids involved that they would be okay with something like this unless they literally hated their father. I wouldn’t be able to put up with my mother living the dream whilst bankrupting my dad.[/quote]
When children become teens they want only for themselves, if mom is going to give them everything they will go with mom. Or vice versa
Csulli you may be the anomaly but most teens are self centered, egotistical little black holes of financial and emotional suckatud [/quote]
AND easily manipulated. You wouldn’t believe how much of an effect a mother breaking down, crying on the kitchen floor will have on a teenage boy. Regardless of who’s right, at that age the instinct is still to fix the problem, however with lack of maturity, life experience, and intelligence. If Dad’s doing this to Mom because mom said he was, then Dad’s a piece of shit. NO ifs ands or buts.
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You seem to also lack intelligence, and maturity. I am actually a “teenage boy”, and I have two of those characteristics. I assume you also want me to back up this statement so you can feel somewhat good about yourself for looking in a dictionary for an insult.
1: My school requires a high level of maturity, or you will be expelled. For example if I had an aggressive outburst, or yell, or whatever else you stereotype me to do I would be expelled.
2: My Frammar, Math and English skills are superior to most adults. The Grammar can be shown just merely by reading my message, and yours.
Now, life experience is something I technically “don’t have”, but intelligence, and maturity definitely beats the only thing you have; your life experience. Now, as you are likely frantically searching your empty skull for a counter argument I shall prove this.
1: Your message was awful. Your run-on sentences were like an icepick lobotomy to everyone. You made basic English errors that even a special ed kid should know. For example you do not need a comma before and when making a list, you left know obvious examples of who you were talking about; we had to interpret that you were talking about teenagers, and that you were assuming it was a male.
2: Most non-biased people would realize that talking about a group of people in absolutes anonymously is immature. You appear to be saying all teenagers lack: Intelligence, maturity and life experience. If I showed one of many examples it would tear apart your statement.
As you can likely tell from this, a teenage boy just mentally defiled you. I look forward to your response.
DSSG[/quote]
Jumping at someone saying something that wasn’t targeted towards you, specifically, (I didn’t read the thread, I’m assuming) shows a CLEAR lack of maturity. Fact of the matter is an overwhelmingly large portion of teenagers lack maturity. Maturity is about more than being polite and not spitting while in school. I’m sure your “maturity” is exemplary in school, but there are various kinds of maturity, and the emotional type is the kind most people don’t really get a hold of till their mid 20s. You’ve clearly demonstrated that you lack one kind of maturity, but I’ll let you figure out which one that is.
As for your first argument, I’d like you to reread your post and notice that you wrote this:
“you left know obvious examples of who you were talking about”. You left KNOW obvious examples, eh?
Good job ripping some guy’s English, and managing to not be able to properly spell “no”. Also, in your second argument, it was not necessary for you to capitalize “intelligence”. You also managed to misspell “grammar”. I do not get why grammar, and math are capitalized.
“The Grammar can be shown just merely by reading my message, and yours”; “If I showed one of many examples it would tear apart your statement”; these sentences, among many others, are horribly constructed. Kill yourself.
To top it off: none of the examples you provided showed how YOU have more maturity or/and intelligence, let alone how you have any of those qualities! All you did was rip on some guy.
I would say experience can be more important than intelligence and maturity, since experience is the culmination of everything we’ve been subjected to in our lives. In some cases there’s an important balance. Experience is the learning part that comes from being intelligent. You use your intelligence to figure things out, or you learn the hard way, and then this knowledge stays with you. We call this knowledge “experience”.
As an engineer I’ll tell you that intelligence means jack shit in the real world in comparison to experience.
In short: You can’t spell or construct sentences for shit. You did not show, in any shape or form, that you are intelligent or mature. You actually did the opposite.