Tren has completely killed my libido…
would rather look at drywall than a hot girl…lol
just lowered the dose today…taking EOD with test cyp and prov
read alot about B-6 and Vitex but will that help libido… no gyno issues just libido
any suggestions that can help rather than discontinue use?
I’m not sure if this is within the scope of the TRT forums. It seems like you aren’t on hormone therapy, but are in the middle of a steroid cycle, am I correct? I assume this because Tren is only used by bodybuilders and people who want their livestock to put on some meat, and use by humans is in violation of federal law. Also, if I’m not mistaken, Vitex is a both the name of a brand of HGH, and the name of a supplement that some think increases T production. Prov is Mesterolone, right?
If I understand you correctly, you’re basically on a TRT forum asking about mixing three anabolic/androgenic products, one of which has no approved use in humans? This extends far beyond the reach of what this area of the forums hopes to achieve.
You should try asking over at the “Steroids” section, where the guys aren’t there to talk about Medical Therapies: Pharma - Forums - T Nation
I dont know what in the hell ctastrophe is talking about? I’m reading this in the steroid forums section.
Maybe you got moved here??
Any ways bro get you some cabergoline and HCG and you should be g2g.
[quote]solo74 wrote:
I dont know what in the hell ctastrophe is talking about? I’m reading this in the steroid forums section. Maybe you got moved here?? Any ways bro get you some cabergoline and HCG and you should be g2g.[/quote]
Yes obviously it got moved.
How do you propose that hcg would increase libido?
What should he do with these compounds once he gets them?
Do you recommend a test for prolactin first, or just hop right on the caber?
Do you think it could be E2 related?
Hcg keeps the testicals moving and the sexual sides from the caber are for real. I know guys that use caber off cycle just for those said sides. You dont have to have prolactin problems to take it. As far as E2 related it could be- but as most know tren like deca are known libido killers; and most of us who use them know that caber will deflect this problem.
As for the caber I recomend you take .5mg every 2 to 3 days (I take it every 3 days), and the HCG at 250IU 2x a week (mon & thur). I speak only form personal experiance of years of use. I’m not a Doctor(yet); and their may be things that work for other people.
VTbella you are right if I’m going to mention the use of caber and HCG then maby I should have laid out how to use them. Also as you said it may be E2 related I just assumed he would be on an AI. If not I also recomend aromasin.
Hope this helps you out hj; it dose me right!
[quote]solo74 wrote:
Hcg keeps the testicals moving![/quote]
This is irrelevant for his problem since he is on exogenous test. He isn’t going to see a libido increase while on cycle from keeping his balls awake (except for maybe the extra pregnenolone output resulting in improved cortisol profile, but that is a stretch). That was my point originally.
That being said, I advocate that EVERYONE should use HCG while on cycle if they care about their future recovery and testicular output. It just is not the solution to OP;s problem here.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
That being said, I advocate that EVERYONE should use HCG while on cycle if they care about their future recovery and testicular output. It just is not the solution to OP;s problem here.[/quote]
This.
However, in regards to the OP’s problem I think a full blood test is warranted here.
I am guessing it will show high levels of prolactin, in which case you would need caber. You must get the blood test before you start taking any more drugs however.
It could be high E2, but I think it is doubtful in this case. Tren doesnt aromatise so I would be inclined to think it isnt HIGH E2, could however be low E2.
Are you using an AI? Joint pain? Lactation?
This is basically speculation, without a blood test nothing can be said for certain.
Get a blood test done.
SB
If he’s running only tren it’s pretty likely low E2. Unfortunately he didn’t tell us what else he was using, so…
[quote]hockeysledder wrote:
If he’s running only tren it’s pretty likely low E2. Unfortunately he didn’t tell us what else he was using, so…[/quote]
[quote]hj1515 wrote:
just lowered the dose today…taking EOD with test cyp and prov
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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]hockeysledder wrote:
If he’s running only tren it’s pretty likely low E2. Unfortunately he didn’t tell us what else he was using, so…[/quote]
[quote]hj1515 wrote:
just lowered the dose today…taking EOD with test cyp and prov
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Damn, busted. He still didn’t give us a dosage, but it’s probably not low E2. I was under the impression that prolactin really wasn’t an issue unless E2 was also high, so it’s probably best to start there, especially if he isn’t taking an AI. But blood test is probably the way to go.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]solo74 wrote:
Hcg keeps the testicals moving![/quote]
This is irrelevant for his problem since he is on exogenous test. He isn’t going to see a libido increase while on cycle from keeping his balls awake (except for maybe the extra pregnenolone output resulting in improved cortisol profile, but that is a stretch). That was my point originally.
That being said, I advocate that EVERYONE should use HCG while on cycle if they care about their future recovery and testicular output. It just is not the solution to OP;s problem here.[/quote]
YEAH! Not to mention, when I take hcg, it never makes my testicles move. Not even a little. If I took something that made my nuts start moving around on their own I would stop taking it.
VT is right though.
What doses of tren and test are you using?
I would assume it is probably prolactin issues, but could also be E2 related. Are you using an AI at all? If so what AI and what dose?
I would get prolactin and E2 checked, but if that is out of the question lower the dose and see what happens, then consider caber and depending on your test dose possibly an AI if the problem persists. It would be taking shots in the dark without a test though.
Allright fellas; First I’m not trying to start anything- just trying to understand. So I’ll lay out what I know (or think I know) about HCG and caber. Please help me understand where I may be looking at things wrong.
The purpose of hcg is to stimulate LH production which is part of the whole cycle that synthesizes testosterone in males. The benefit of hcg is that it keeps testicular atrophy to a minimum and makes recovery easier as part of the pathway is being stimulated by taking the hcg. LH in males is also known as interstitial cell stimulating hormone (ICSH). LH acts on the interstitial cells (also known as Leydig cells) of the testes stimulating them to synthesize and secrete the male sex hormone, testosterone.
Most of the testosterone in the blood is bound to a protein called sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG). Testosterone that is not bound (“free”) can be checked if a man is having sexual problems.
It is cabergolines capacity to lower prolactin levels that makes it such a sexual wonder drug for men. The prolactin hormone also has the effect of reducing a mans desire for more sex by preventing new erections. Cabergoline has been found to minimize the effects of the hormone prolactin, which is produced by men at the point of orgasm. As a result, some subjects who tried the drug found that they were able to have multiple orgasms in rapid succession. It is also sometimes used to help men with sexual dysfunction.
All that being said, my first experiance with caber and HCG went like this: I had caber and started taking this at .5mg every 3 days from begining of cycle. While this made it easy to have multiple sexual intercourse, it didn’t really make me horney per say. 5 weeks into a 16 week cycle I started taking the HCG at 250iu 2x a week. When I started taking the HCG that is when for me everything changed. I was horney to the point of being agravated. Every time the wind blew I was erect. Now maby this was all in my head (I doubt it though). I now use HCG from the beginning of a cycle until 1 week prior to the end of cycle. So then why did the HCG effect me in this way? Could it be that my testosterone was floating around in a free state, and that by starting the HCG it had me producing more natural test that bound to the SHBG?
[quote]solo74 wrote:
So then why did the HCG effect me in this way? Could it be that my testosterone was floating around in a free state, and that by starting the HCG it had me producing more natural test that bound to the SHBG?
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Pretty interesting story (I’m not being sarcastic). My guess is that the natural testosterone production elicited by the hcg combined with the exgoenous test you were taking put you over a “threshhold” so to speak. How much exogenous T were you taking at the time?
It likely doesn’t have anything to do with the test. SHBG finds the Test in your system and binds to it, as far as I know, it doesn’t discriminate against exogenous and natural test, so I don’t think that is the explanation.
You were probably getting more DHT conversion for whatever reason (past the threshhold) which increased your libido. That combined with the caber set you up for sexual success.
On that cycle I was taking:
1-16 test cyp 250mg x2a week (500mg)
1-16 deca 300mg x2a week (600mg)
1-16 aromasin 12.5 mg ed
1-16 caber .5 mg e3d
5-15 HCG 250iu x2a week (500iu)
Now when I run a deca/test cycle, I run the HCG from begining till one week before cycle ends & I run the test at 750mg a week.
[quote]solo74 wrote:
On that cycle I was taking:
1-16 test cyp 250mg x2a week (500mg)
1-16 deca 300mg x2a week (600mg)
1-16 aromasin 12.5 mg ed
1-16 caber .5 mg e3d
5-15 HCG 250iu x2a week (500iu)
Now when I run a deca/test cycle, I run the HCG from beginning till one week before cycle ends & I run the test at 750mg a week.[/quote]
Weird…really hard to tell…Another possibility, other than the one I postulated earlier, could be related to your E2. 12.5 mg ED of Aromasin is a huge dose. It is possible that you had lowered your E2 too much with this dose and the HCG, which seems more likely to cause intrastesticular aromatization for some reason, elevated your E2 back up to healthy levels. Keep in mind you dont want to go nuclear on E2 during cycle–just keep it in check.
Honestly though man, Im shooting in the dark here just based on hormone knowledge. It is really hard to tell.
[quote]hockeysledder wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]hockeysledder wrote:
If he’s running only tren it’s pretty likely low E2. Unfortunately he didn’t tell us what else he was using, so…[/quote]
[quote]hj1515 wrote:
just lowered the dose today…taking EOD with test cyp and prov
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Damn, busted. He still didn’t give us a dosage, but it’s probably not low E2. I was under the impression that prolactin really wasn’t an issue unless E2 was also high, so it’s probably best to start there, especially if he isn’t taking an AI. But blood test is probably the way to go.[/quote]
First of all…thanks for all of the responses! very appreciative!
was also with 300mg cyp/wk, 300mg mast/wk, 10mg nolv EOD, 50 mg Prov ED