Libby is Guilty?!

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]lixy wrote:
Denis Collins, a juror on the case:

“It was said a number of times, ‘What are we doing with this guy here? Where’s Rove, where’s you know, where are these other guys?’”[/quote]

That guy is a real piece of work. He was apparently a Washington Post reporter – I have no idea how he did not get conflicted off of the jury.

He also managed to post that diary on the Huffington Post ( HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost ), which weighed in over 7,000 words, less than one day after the verdict came down. Seems somewhat problematic to me if he were working on the diary during the trial, with an eye for publication immediately after the verdict. I couldn’t cite you a violated statute or anything, but it still seems troubling. I suppose he may have written that all in between granting interviews and whatnot, but I’m guessing he was working on it during the trial itself.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
That guy is a real piece of work. He was apparently a Washington Post reporter – I have no idea how he did not get conflicted off of the jury.
[/quote]

I had heard that the Defense ran out of (I forget the term), chances to dismiss potential jurors.

They get to dismiss three, correct? I guess he was the fourth.

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What EXACTLY did Libby lie about. Anyone?

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Strange how nobody cares that the executive branch of the government conspired to discredit someone who was doing his job.

It’s very dangerous to have the government going after citizens in this way. Very dangerous. It doesn’t matter whether it is happening on the left or the right of political spectrum.

That’s BIG. Very BIG.

It’s even more important that the government be held to the law than the populace.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Strange how nobody cares that the executive branch of the government conspired to discredit someone who was doing his job.

It’s very dangerous to have the government going after citizens in this way. Very dangerous. It doesn’t matter whether it is happening on the left or the right of political spectrum.

That’s BIG. Very BIG.

It’s even more important that the government be held to the law than the populace.[/quote]

Did you even follow the case? I suppose not. Joe Wilson launched a smear attack against the Bush administration, claiming things that he was later forced to recant under oath (read the 9.11 commission’s report on Niger). Why isn’t this brough up more?

It turns out the dumb bastard didn’t even attempt to do his job in Niger, gave his report saying the the Iraqis WERE trying to acquire uranium, then turned around and lied about it to get a feature in the NYT? Then had to change his story again upon subpoena?

Then, we find out that the real leaker was Richard Armitage, a foe of Bush policy from the state department. He admitted this publicly and the prosecutor said he knew about it. OK… So where’s the charges against Armitage? There were none, because… there was no crime!

You have to break a law to be charged with a crime, and leaking this information, while it may have been shady, was not criminal. (If being a scumbag were a crime, there would be no supplement industry, no government, no HIT, and three lawyers.)

So the case is closed. No crimes committed, no charges brought in the leak case. But the media tries to portray this as some kind of anti-Bush verdict. But it wasn’t – it proved nothing of the sort, although that hasn’t stopped the media from running with that idea.

It sounds to me Libby was trying to cover his ass in case he was the leak (he wasn’t, remember, Armitage admitted it). If Libby lied to the investigators for whatever reason he ought to go to jail, just like anyone else who commits the same crime.

This includes lying under oath about fucking your intern – the porking isn’t criminal any more than revealing that Joe Wilson’s wife works a desk at the CIA was. The perjury and obstruction of justice is.

I hope any of you democrats that argued that Bill Clinton ought to be freed since he lied about something that wasn’t a crime and coo about how Libby is going to prison for the same exact thing fucking choke (and recover of course, but only after severe pain and panic).

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[quote]ChuckyT wrote:
vroom wrote:
Strange how nobody cares that the executive branch of the government conspired to discredit someone who was doing his job.

It’s very dangerous to have the government going after citizens in this way. Very dangerous. It doesn’t matter whether it is happening on the left or the right of political spectrum.

That’s BIG. Very BIG.

It’s even more important that the government be held to the law than the populace.

Did you even follow the case? I suppose not. Joe Wilson launched a smear attack against the Bush administration, claiming things that he was later forced to recant under oath (read the 9.11 commission’s report on Niger). Why isn’t this brough up more?

It turns out the dumb bastard didn’t even attempt to do his job in Niger, gave his report saying the the Iraqis WERE trying to acquire uranium, then turned around and lied about it to get a feature in the NYT? Then had to change his story again upon subpoena?

Then, we find out that the real leaker was Richard Armitage, a foe of Bush policy from the state department. He admitted this publicly and the prosecutor said he knew about it. OK… So where’s the charges against Armitage? There were none, because… there was no crime!

You have to break a law to be charged with a crime, and leaking this information, while it may have been shady, was not criminal. (If being a scumbag were a crime, there would be no supplement industry, no government, no HIT, and three lawyers.)

So the case is closed. No crimes committed, no charges brought in the leak case. But the media tries to portray this as some kind of anti-Bush verdict. But it wasn’t – it proved nothing of the sort, although that hasn’t stopped the media from running with that idea.

It sounds to me Libby was trying to cover his ass in case he was the leak (he wasn’t, remember, Armitage admitted it). If Libby lied to the investigators for whatever reason he ought to go to jail, just like anyone else who commits the same crime.

This includes lying under oath about fucking your intern – the porking isn’t criminal any more than revealing that Joe Wilson’s wife works a desk at the CIA was. The perjury and obstruction of justice is.

I hope any of you democrats that argued that Bill Clinton ought to be freed since he lied about something that wasn’t a crime and coo about how Libby is going to prison for the same exact thing fucking choke (and recover of course, but only after severe pain and panic). [/quote]

Very, very good post. Wilson is a douchebag of the highest order.

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Libby should rot in the slammer! He outed a CIA agent! And lied and still is! Clinton lied about a Blowjob!!! Who, in T-Nation, would admit to a BJ if married and questioned about it!? Shit, I’m ashamed to be associated with defender’s of this prick!

And to the Libby supporter’s, if he does go to the pen, Bubba is in a REAL jail, not this Camp Fed shit he’ll go… Eventually, all these Republican’s will be tried. The only problem is, the Dem’s don’t give a shit enough to try the bastards.

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Um, what the fuck!?

Seriously, is this lady retarded? Good grief!

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[quote]shamus wrote:
Libby should rot in the slammer! He outed a CIA agent! And lied and still is! Clinton lied about a Blowjob!!! Who, in T-Nation, would admit to a BJ if married and questioned about it!? Shit, I’m ashamed to be associated with defender’s of this prick!

And to the Libby supporter’s, if he does go to the pen, Bubba is in a REAL jail, not this Camp Fed shit he’ll go… Eventually, all these Republican’s will be tried. The only problem is, the Dem’s don’t give a shit enough to try the bastards.
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You do realize that this case was about perjury, right?

And with that in mind, does your passion for persecution of perjury extend to billy boy? And what about Wilson and Berger? What about their shenanigans?

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[quote]shamus wrote:
Libby should rot in the slammer! He outed a CIA agent!..
[/quote]

No he didn’t. Armitage did. Did you follow the case or the Democrats spin?

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[quote]shamus wrote:
Libby should rot in the slammer! He outed a CIA agent! And lied and still is! Clinton lied about a Blowjob!!! Who, in T-Nation, would admit to a BJ if married and questioned about it!? Shit, I’m ashamed to be associated with defender’s of this prick!

And to the Libby supporter’s, if he does go to the pen, Bubba is in a REAL jail, not this Camp Fed shit he’ll go… Eventually, all these Republican’s will be tried. The only problem is, the Dem’s don’t give a shit enough to try the bastards.
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shamus,

I’m wondering if you dems will ever get it through your skulls that clinton lied under oath to protect himself against paula jones’ lawsuit.

Unless you think that using his office for sexual harrassment, encouraging his employees to lie, and using taxpayer’s money to fund his activities is cool, you might want to change your tag-line.

Again, most of us Republicans think that breaking marriage vows is unfortunate. However, it pales by a magnitude of 50 in comparison to obstruction of justice and sexual harassment.

Hope your brain can process this. If not, I’ll type it again using smaller words.

JeffR

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Strange how nobody cares that the executive branch of the government conspired to discredit someone who was doing his job.

It’s very dangerous to have the government going after citizens in this way. Very dangerous. It doesn’t matter whether it is happening on the left or the right of political spectrum.

That’s BIG. Very BIG.

It’s even more important that the government be held to the law than the populace.[/quote]

Strange how that was not even a deliberated issue in this case, and is a matter of pure speculation…

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[quote]shamus wrote:
Libby should rot in the slammer! He outed a CIA agent! [/quote]

Yeah, you think so?

Question; Guess what Valerie Plame’s “secret, undercover” alias was.

Answer; Valerie Plame.

Outed? Ha!

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[quote]derek wrote:
shamus wrote:
Libby should rot in the slammer! He outed a CIA agent!

Yeah, you think so?

Question; Guess what Valerie Plame’s “secret, undercover” alias was.

Answer; Valerie Plame.

Outed? Ha!

[/quote]

Derek,

Please stop it. Remember that Bush lied to everyone and joe “I’m a rock star” wilson was just telling the truth.

Iraq had no interest in uranium in niger.

joe “I’m writing a book” wilson was diligent in his attempt to discern Iraqi intentions.

joe “I’m a victim” wilson wasn’t sent to niger due to his wife.

Finally, joe “I’m every woman” wilson told exactly the same story to our intelligence services that he does to the public.

Signed,

fools.

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With the Duke Trial fiasco and now this Libby insanity, our court system is beginning to look like the system in Nazi Germany, the Sondergericht.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
Unless you think that using his office for sexual harrassment, encouraging his employees to lie, and using taxpayer’s money to fund his activities is cool, you might want to change your tag-line.
[/quote]

Wow, Jerffy makes a point for once.

If Clinton used his office to perform sexual harassment or if he used his office to influence the legal process unduly then he should have been charged with those crimes.

Again, it is very important for government to be held to the laws.

As for personally telling a lie about getting a blowjob, that is not something I’m very concerned about in the nature of crimes. There is a big difference between abuse of office and telling a lie… though they can of course be simultaneous.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Strange how nobody cares that the executive branch of the government conspired to discredit someone who was doing his job.

It’s very dangerous to have the government going after citizens in this way. Very dangerous. It doesn’t matter whether it is happening on the left or the right of political spectrum.

That’s BIG. Very BIG.

It’s even more important that the government be held to the law than the populace.[/quote]

Nothing more to add really, I just wanted to give Vroom a new avatar.

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[quote]derek wrote:
shamus wrote:
Libby should rot in the slammer! He outed a CIA agent!

Yeah, you think so?

Question; Guess what Valerie Plame’s “secret, undercover” alias was.

Answer; Valerie Plame.

Outed? Ha!

[/quote]

Dude, are you retarded?

Seriously. You realize that her identity wasn’t the secret, right? I mean, you’ve followed enough to know that, right?

Please tell me you’ve looked a little deeper than the political hackery you just spewed.

It’s arguable, based on legal definitions, whether she still qualified, but it’s well known that “cleanup” had to occur after the information was made public.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Strange how that was not even a deliberated issue in this case, and is a matter of pure speculation…[/quote]

Of course it wasn’t in the case. Holy shit, perhaps you can stop playing lawyer for a moment or two?

Everyone knows, including you, that the executive branch decided to do the normal tactic of discrediting a dissenting voice.

Somewhere in all of this, Libby lied, or was given up as a pawn, and the trial and the rest occurred. I’d be surprised if Bush didn’t issue a pardon near the end of his term.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
derek wrote:
shamus wrote:
Libby should rot in the slammer! He outed a CIA agent!

Yeah, you think so?

Question; Guess what Valerie Plame’s “secret, undercover” alias was.

Answer; Valerie Plame.

Outed? Ha!

Dude, are you retarded?

Seriously. You realize that her identity wasn’t the secret, right? I mean, you’ve followed enough to know that, right?

Please tell me you’ve looked a little deeper than the political hackery you just spewed.

It’s arguable, based on legal definitions, whether she still qualified, but it’s well known that “cleanup” had to occur after the information was made public.
[/quote]

If you look very closely, you can see that I was responding to shamus’ assertion that Libby outed a CIA agent.

His post sure seemed to say that V P was some Secret-Squirel, undercover 007 type or something and that her life was in danger.

Another Donnie Brasco? Right.