LGBT Agenda & 1st Amend.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

I meant your sources on the fact that being gay is different than other genetic traits beyond a persons control. I don’t see anything above that covers that, marriage is irrelevant here.[/quote]

How is it irrelevant, when that is the subject of this thread?

Never said being SSA wasn’t genetic. Though I have never seen the evidence that it was genetic, or biological (I’ve only heard the biological claim). [/quote]

The part you originally replied to was regarding a difference in discrimination against race vs homosexuality. Your reply to that indicated there was a difference because race is by accident and sexuality is by choice. I’ve yet to hear the difference.

Marriage is irrelevant because we are talking about the way someone is born which is long before marriage is an issue.[/quote]

There is also a genetic link to becoming a serial killer. But having the gene doesn’t make you a killer. Killing people does.[/quote]

Yes but killing is universally agreed upon as being wrong or at most bad for society.[/quote]

Bullshit. Not even mostly true.[/quote]

What is true about killing people then?

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

I meant your sources on the fact that being gay is different than other genetic traits beyond a persons control. I don’t see anything above that covers that, marriage is irrelevant here.[/quote]

How is it irrelevant, when that is the subject of this thread?

Never said being SSA wasn’t genetic. Though I have never seen the evidence that it was genetic, or biological (I’ve only heard the biological claim). [/quote]

The part you originally replied to was regarding a difference in discrimination against race vs homosexuality. Your reply to that indicated there was a difference because race is by accident and sexuality is by choice. I’ve yet to hear the difference.

Marriage is irrelevant because we are talking about the way someone is born which is long before marriage is an issue.[/quote]

There is also a genetic link to becoming a serial killer. But having the gene doesn’t make you a killer. Killing people does.[/quote]

Yes but killing is universally agreed upon as being wrong or at most bad for society.[/quote]

Bullshit. Not even mostly true.[/quote]

What is true about killing people then?[/quote]

Most people believe in some form of killing. Many people even believe in murder.

Anything beyond the fact that killing causes death is a personal subjective statement.

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

I meant your sources on the fact that being gay is different than other genetic traits beyond a persons control. I don’t see anything above that covers that, marriage is irrelevant here.[/quote]

How is it irrelevant, when that is the subject of this thread?

Never said being SSA wasn’t genetic. Though I have never seen the evidence that it was genetic, or biological (I’ve only heard the biological claim). [/quote]

The part you originally replied to was regarding a difference in discrimination against race vs homosexuality. Your reply to that indicated there was a difference because race is by accident and sexuality is by choice. I’ve yet to hear the difference.[/quote]

Never said sexuality is a choice. That’s pretty set in stone, or rather flesh. I pointed out that I was talking about attraction.

Yes, but sexuality is directly linked to marriage. [/quote]

I meant attraction but you knew that, why are you avoiding the question? Difference between a persons race and their attraction?[/quote]

I’m not. I am just making sure I understand as much as I can to what you’re getting at with your questions.

I’ll answer this later. I have to go write some stuff for my boss.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

I meant your sources on the fact that being gay is different than other genetic traits beyond a persons control. I don’t see anything above that covers that, marriage is irrelevant here.[/quote]

How is it irrelevant, when that is the subject of this thread?

Never said being SSA wasn’t genetic. Though I have never seen the evidence that it was genetic, or biological (I’ve only heard the biological claim). [/quote]

The part you originally replied to was regarding a difference in discrimination against race vs homosexuality. Your reply to that indicated there was a difference because race is by accident and sexuality is by choice. I’ve yet to hear the difference.

Marriage is irrelevant because we are talking about the way someone is born which is long before marriage is an issue.[/quote]

There is also a genetic link to becoming a serial killer. But having the gene doesn’t make you a killer. Killing people does.[/quote]

Yes but killing is universally agreed upon as being wrong or at most bad for society.[/quote]

Bullshit. Not even mostly true.[/quote]

What is true about killing people then?[/quote]

Most people believe in some form of killing. Many people even believe in murder.

Anything beyond the fact that killing causes death is a personal subjective statement.[/quote]

Ok then I don’t see the point of your first comment, oh well.

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

I meant your sources on the fact that being gay is different than other genetic traits beyond a persons control. I don’t see anything above that covers that, marriage is irrelevant here.[/quote]

How is it irrelevant, when that is the subject of this thread?

Never said being SSA wasn’t genetic. Though I have never seen the evidence that it was genetic, or biological (I’ve only heard the biological claim). [/quote]

The part you originally replied to was regarding a difference in discrimination against race vs homosexuality. Your reply to that indicated there was a difference because race is by accident and sexuality is by choice. I’ve yet to hear the difference.

Marriage is irrelevant because we are talking about the way someone is born which is long before marriage is an issue.[/quote]

There is also a genetic link to becoming a serial killer. But having the gene doesn’t make you a killer. Killing people does.[/quote]

Yes but killing is universally agreed upon as being wrong or at most bad for society.[/quote]

Bullshit. Not even mostly true.[/quote]

What is true about killing people then?[/quote]

Most people believe in some form of killing. Many people even believe in murder.

Anything beyond the fact that killing causes death is a personal subjective statement.[/quote]

Ok then I don’t see the point of your first comment, oh well.[/quote]

We force un-provable moral rules for actions on people for all sorts of things, regardless of genetic predisposition.

26 April 2012 FOX:

'As many as 100 high school students walked out of a national journalism conference after an anti-bullying speaker began cursing, attacked the Bible and reportedly called those who refused to listen to his rant "pansy asses."

The speaker was Dan Savage, founder of the “It Gets Better” project, an anti-bullying campaign that has reached more than 40 million viewers with contributors ranging from President Obama to Hollywood stars. Savage also writes a sex advice column called “Savage Love.”

Savage, and his husband, were also guests at the White House for President Obama’s 2011 LGBT Pride Month reception. He was also invited to a White House anti-bullying conference.

Savage was supposed to be delivering a speech about anti-bullying at the National High School Journalism Conference sponsored by the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association. But it turned into an episode of Christian-bashing.

Rick Tuttle, the journalism advisor for Sutter Union High School in California, was among several thousand people in the audience. He said they thought the speech was one thing ? but it turned into something else.

“I thought this would be about anti-bullying,” Tuttle told Fox news. “It turned into a pointed attack on Christian beliefs.”

Tuttle said a number of his students were offended by Savage’s remarks ? and some decided to leave the auditorium.

“It became hostile,” he said. “It felt hostile as we were sitting in the audience ? especially towards Christians who espouse beliefs that he was literally taking on.”

Tuttle said the speech was laced with vulgarities and "sexual innuendo not appropriate for this age group." At one point, he said Savage told the teenagers about how good his partner looked in a speedo.

The conservative website CitizenLink was the first to report about the controversy. They interviewed a 17-year-old girl who was one of students who walked out of the auditorium.

“The first thing he told the audience was, ‘I hope you’re all using birth control,’” she told CitizenLink. “he said there are people using the Bible as an excuse for gay bullying, because it says in Leviticus and Romans that being gay is wrong. Right after that, he said we can ignore all the (expletive deleted) in the Bible.”

As the teenagers were walking out, Tuttle said that Savage heckled them and called them "pansy asses."

Candi Cushman, who writes a blog on CitizenLink, noted the irony.

“Using profanity to deride the bible ? and then mocking the Christian students after they left the room ? is obviously a form of bullying and name-calling,” she wrote. “This illustrates perfectly what we’ve been saying all along: Too many times in the name of ‘tolerance,’ Christian students find their faith being openly mocked and belittled in educational environments.”

Tuttle said that he “felt duped” by the event. “There were Christian schools who went to the conference. To have this happen was disappointing and shocking.”

And for some of his students ? they felt like the anti-bullying activist was in fact ? the bully.’ - FOX


Scumbags

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

I meant your sources on the fact that being gay is different than other genetic traits beyond a persons control. I don’t see anything above that covers that, marriage is irrelevant here.[/quote]

How is it irrelevant, when that is the subject of this thread?

Never said being SSA wasn’t genetic. Though I have never seen the evidence that it was genetic, or biological (I’ve only heard the biological claim). [/quote]

Then you have not looked enough because there is evidence that the brain of homosexual people is different in some key areas from a heterosexuals brain.

As is, as a sidenote, the brain of someone who insists that he was born into a body of the wrong sex. [/quote]

Please show me where I have not looked close enough.

Further, the one thing I know about these two things is that pre-1986 they were in the APA’s DSM. [/quote]

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1815538,00.html

http://www.pnas.org/content/89/15/7199.short

http://www.springerlink.com/content/g1176x7289822289/

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
26 April 2012 FOX:

'As many as 100 high school students walked out of a national journalism conference after an anti-bullying speaker began cursing, attacked the Bible and reportedly called those who refused to listen to his rant "pansy asses."

The speaker was Dan Savage, founder of the “It Gets Better” project, an anti-bullying campaign that has reached more than 40 million viewers with contributors ranging from President Obama to Hollywood stars. Savage also writes a sex advice column called “Savage Love.”

Savage, and his husband, were also guests at the White House for President Obama’s 2011 LGBT Pride Month reception. He was also invited to a White House anti-bullying conference.

Savage was supposed to be delivering a speech about anti-bullying at the National High School Journalism Conference sponsored by the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association. But it turned into an episode of Christian-bashing.

Rick Tuttle, the journalism advisor for Sutter Union High School in California, was among several thousand people in the audience. He said they thought the speech was one thing ? but it turned into something else.

“I thought this would be about anti-bullying,” Tuttle told Fox news. “It turned into a pointed attack on Christian beliefs.”

Tuttle said a number of his students were offended by Savage’s remarks ? and some decided to leave the auditorium.

“It became hostile,” he said. “It felt hostile as we were sitting in the audience ? especially towards Christians who espouse beliefs that he was literally taking on.”

Tuttle said the speech was laced with vulgarities and "sexual innuendo not appropriate for this age group." At one point, he said Savage told the teenagers about how good his partner looked in a speedo.

The conservative website CitizenLink was the first to report about the controversy. They interviewed a 17-year-old girl who was one of students who walked out of the auditorium.

“The first thing he told the audience was, ‘I hope you’re all using birth control,’” she told CitizenLink. “he said there are people using the Bible as an excuse for gay bullying, because it says in Leviticus and Romans that being gay is wrong. Right after that, he said we can ignore all the (expletive deleted) in the Bible.”

As the teenagers were walking out, Tuttle said that Savage heckled them and called them "pansy asses."

Candi Cushman, who writes a blog on CitizenLink, noted the irony.

“Using profanity to deride the bible ? and then mocking the Christian students after they left the room ? is obviously a form of bullying and name-calling,” she wrote. “This illustrates perfectly what we’ve been saying all along: Too many times in the name of ‘tolerance,’ Christian students find their faith being openly mocked and belittled in educational environments.”

Tuttle said that he “felt duped” by the event. “There were Christian schools who went to the conference. To have this happen was disappointing and shocking.”

And for some of his students ? they felt like the anti-bullying activist was in fact ? the bully.’ - FOX


Scumbags[/quote]

Seems like most stayed. Tons of cheering and a mere statement of facts.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

The speaker was Dan Savage[/quote]

A rather sleazy individual.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
26 April 2012 FOX:

'As many as 100 high school students walked out of a national journalism conference after an anti-bullying speaker began cursing, attacked the Bible and reportedly called those who refused to listen to his rant "pansy asses."

The speaker was Dan Savage, founder of the “It Gets Better” project, an anti-bullying campaign that has reached more than 40 million viewers with contributors ranging from President Obama to Hollywood stars. Savage also writes a sex advice column called “Savage Love.”

Savage, and his husband, were also guests at the White House for President Obama’s 2011 LGBT Pride Month reception. He was also invited to a White House anti-bullying conference.

Savage was supposed to be delivering a speech about anti-bullying at the National High School Journalism Conference sponsored by the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association. But it turned into an episode of Christian-bashing.

Rick Tuttle, the journalism advisor for Sutter Union High School in California, was among several thousand people in the audience. He said they thought the speech was one thing ? but it turned into something else.

“I thought this would be about anti-bullying,” Tuttle told Fox news. “It turned into a pointed attack on Christian beliefs.”

Tuttle said a number of his students were offended by Savage’s remarks ? and some decided to leave the auditorium.

“It became hostile,” he said. “It felt hostile as we were sitting in the audience ? especially towards Christians who espouse beliefs that he was literally taking on.”

Tuttle said the speech was laced with vulgarities and "sexual innuendo not appropriate for this age group." At one point, he said Savage told the teenagers about how good his partner looked in a speedo.

The conservative website CitizenLink was the first to report about the controversy. They interviewed a 17-year-old girl who was one of students who walked out of the auditorium.

“The first thing he told the audience was, ‘I hope you’re all using birth control,’” she told CitizenLink. “he said there are people using the Bible as an excuse for gay bullying, because it says in Leviticus and Romans that being gay is wrong. Right after that, he said we can ignore all the (expletive deleted) in the Bible.”

As the teenagers were walking out, Tuttle said that Savage heckled them and called them "pansy asses."

Candi Cushman, who writes a blog on CitizenLink, noted the irony.

“Using profanity to deride the bible ? and then mocking the Christian students after they left the room ? is obviously a form of bullying and name-calling,” she wrote. “This illustrates perfectly what we’ve been saying all along: Too many times in the name of ‘tolerance,’ Christian students find their faith being openly mocked and belittled in educational environments.”

Tuttle said that he “felt duped” by the event. “There were Christian schools who went to the conference. To have this happen was disappointing and shocking.”

And for some of his students ? they felt like the anti-bullying activist was in fact ? the bully.’ - FOX


Scumbags[/quote]

Seems like most stayed. Tons of cheering and a mere statement of facts.[/quote]

Well, he is not wrong.

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

The speaker was Dan Savage[/quote]

A rather sleazy individual.

[/quote]

But not in this video.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

The speaker was Dan Savage[/quote]

A rather sleazy individual.

[/quote]

But not in this video. [/quote]

Always.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
26 April 2012 FOX:

'As many as 100 high school students walked out of a national journalism conference after an anti-bullying speaker began cursing, attacked the Bible and reportedly called those who refused to listen to his rant "pansy asses."

The speaker was Dan Savage, founder of the “It Gets Better” project, an anti-bullying campaign that has reached more than 40 million viewers with contributors ranging from President Obama to Hollywood stars. Savage also writes a sex advice column called “Savage Love.”

Savage, and his husband, were also guests at the White House for President Obama’s 2011 LGBT Pride Month reception. He was also invited to a White House anti-bullying conference.

Savage was supposed to be delivering a speech about anti-bullying at the National High School Journalism Conference sponsored by the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association. But it turned into an episode of Christian-bashing.

Rick Tuttle, the journalism advisor for Sutter Union High School in California, was among several thousand people in the audience. He said they thought the speech was one thing ? but it turned into something else.

“I thought this would be about anti-bullying,” Tuttle told Fox news. “It turned into a pointed attack on Christian beliefs.”

Tuttle said a number of his students were offended by Savage’s remarks ? and some decided to leave the auditorium.

“It became hostile,” he said. “It felt hostile as we were sitting in the audience ? especially towards Christians who espouse beliefs that he was literally taking on.”

Tuttle said the speech was laced with vulgarities and "sexual innuendo not appropriate for this age group." At one point, he said Savage told the teenagers about how good his partner looked in a speedo.

The conservative website CitizenLink was the first to report about the controversy. They interviewed a 17-year-old girl who was one of students who walked out of the auditorium.

“The first thing he told the audience was, ‘I hope you’re all using birth control,’” she told CitizenLink. “he said there are people using the Bible as an excuse for gay bullying, because it says in Leviticus and Romans that being gay is wrong. Right after that, he said we can ignore all the (expletive deleted) in the Bible.”

As the teenagers were walking out, Tuttle said that Savage heckled them and called them "pansy asses."

Candi Cushman, who writes a blog on CitizenLink, noted the irony.

“Using profanity to deride the bible ? and then mocking the Christian students after they left the room ? is obviously a form of bullying and name-calling,” she wrote. “This illustrates perfectly what we’ve been saying all along: Too many times in the name of ‘tolerance,’ Christian students find their faith being openly mocked and belittled in educational environments.”

Tuttle said that he “felt duped” by the event. “There were Christian schools who went to the conference. To have this happen was disappointing and shocking.”

And for some of his students ? they felt like the anti-bullying activist was in fact ? the bully.’ - FOX


Scumbags[/quote]

Seems like most stayed. Tons of cheering and a mere statement of facts.[/quote]

Remember that anti-bullying thread? Here’s the actual feelings behind it all. Out in the light.

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
26 April 2012 FOX:

'As many as 100 high school students walked out of a national journalism conference after an anti-bullying speaker began cursing, attacked the Bible and reportedly called those who refused to listen to his rant "pansy asses."

The speaker was Dan Savage, founder of the “It Gets Better” project, an anti-bullying campaign that has reached more than 40 million viewers with contributors ranging from President Obama to Hollywood stars. Savage also writes a sex advice column called “Savage Love.”

Savage, and his husband, were also guests at the White House for President Obama’s 2011 LGBT Pride Month reception. He was also invited to a White House anti-bullying conference.

Savage was supposed to be delivering a speech about anti-bullying at the National High School Journalism Conference sponsored by the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association. But it turned into an episode of Christian-bashing.

Rick Tuttle, the journalism advisor for Sutter Union High School in California, was among several thousand people in the audience. He said they thought the speech was one thing ? but it turned into something else.

“I thought this would be about anti-bullying,” Tuttle told Fox news. “It turned into a pointed attack on Christian beliefs.”

Tuttle said a number of his students were offended by Savage’s remarks ? and some decided to leave the auditorium.

“It became hostile,” he said. “It felt hostile as we were sitting in the audience ? especially towards Christians who espouse beliefs that he was literally taking on.”

Tuttle said the speech was laced with vulgarities and "sexual innuendo not appropriate for this age group." At one point, he said Savage told the teenagers about how good his partner looked in a speedo.

The conservative website CitizenLink was the first to report about the controversy. They interviewed a 17-year-old girl who was one of students who walked out of the auditorium.

“The first thing he told the audience was, ‘I hope you’re all using birth control,’” she told CitizenLink. “he said there are people using the Bible as an excuse for gay bullying, because it says in Leviticus and Romans that being gay is wrong. Right after that, he said we can ignore all the (expletive deleted) in the Bible.”

As the teenagers were walking out, Tuttle said that Savage heckled them and called them "pansy asses."

Candi Cushman, who writes a blog on CitizenLink, noted the irony.

“Using profanity to deride the bible ? and then mocking the Christian students after they left the room ? is obviously a form of bullying and name-calling,” she wrote. “This illustrates perfectly what we’ve been saying all along: Too many times in the name of ‘tolerance,’ Christian students find their faith being openly mocked and belittled in educational environments.”

Tuttle said that he “felt duped” by the event. “There were Christian schools who went to the conference. To have this happen was disappointing and shocking.”

And for some of his students ? they felt like the anti-bullying activist was in fact ? the bully.’ - FOX


Scumbags[/quote]

Seems like most stayed. Tons of cheering and a mere statement of facts.[/quote]

Remember that anti-bullying thread? Here’s the actual feelings behind it all. Out in the light.
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You realize the root cause of anti-gay bigotry in North America is the Bible right?

I don’t know how you could give a talk on anti-gay bigotry without mentioning religion.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:[quote]Tiribulus wrote:He does hate homosexuals.[/quote]Damn…sounds just like WBC. [/quote]Don’t make me pull out your Friar from Our Lady of Guadalupe again Chris who quite rightly stated in plain language that the notion of God hating, but loving sinners is a modernist invention. I gave him credit and still do. [quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote: I can’t think of a single person I know who doesn’t commit this sin multiple times on a daily basis. >>>[/quote]We have a winner boys and girls. ALL that is not born from explicit faith in the one true God is sin no matter how right it may in itself appear to us. Giving to the poor out of any motivation other than self conscious love for and the glory of the Lord of the universe is sin. All that is not of faith IS sin. This is your cue to turn that passage upside down now too Chris =] I say it’s a sort of moral syllogism with the part I quoted above as the major premise. The exact inverse of what you are going to say.
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I do think he should’ve used better language, using the words “bullshit” and “pansy ass” is inappropriate.

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I do think he should’ve used better language, using the words “bullshit” and “pansy ass” is inappropriate.[/quote]

Yet, he has. And it’s been duly noted. And, above you admit that the ‘root cause’ must be struck at. So, did we need really need the previous thread questioning religious reluctance and outright opposition to this? The feigning of neutral innocence, where the religious were just imagining the movement was directed at their ‘bullshit.’ Of course there was an unspoken agenda (up to this point). There has always been one.

That was actually a lot tamer than I expected from Dan Savage. Isn’t “pansy” usually a word that was/is used to belittle homosexuals? An interesting word choice.

Also, was that walkout staged? It seemed they knew what was coming and wanted to protest it.

[quote]Sloth wrote:

Yet, he has. And it’s been duly noted. And, above you admit that the ‘root cause’ must be struck at. [/quote]

The ‘root cause’ must be addressed.

[quote]Sloth wrote:

So, did we need really need the previous thread questioning religious reluctance and outright opposition to this?
The feigning of neutral innocence, where the religious were just imagining the movement was directed at their ‘bullshit.’ Of course there was an unspoken agenda (up to this point). There has always been one. [/quote]

Of course I understand. You guys are against the normalization of homosexuality in society.

The ‘bullshit’ he is referring to is the bigoted belief that homosexuality is immoral as written in the Bible. A bigoted belief doesn’t deserve protection because it’s part of someone’s religious beliefs.

So yes, I understand why you oppose this, but no I don’t agree that the crux of his speech was inappropriate only his wording.

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
That was actually a lot tamer than I expected from Dan Savage. Isn’t “pansy” usually a word that was/is used to belittle homosexuals? An interesting word choice.

Also, was that walkout staged? It seemed they knew what was coming and wanted to protest it. [/quote]

What I do know is it makes them poor journalists. Seriously, walking out on something you disagree with? Wouldn’t the right thing to do be to listen to his speech and then write about it after?

[quote]therajraj wrote:
You realize the root cause of anti-gay bigotry in North America is the ignorance of basic human dignity (and basic understanding of the teachings of Jesus Christ) right?
[/quote]

Fixed that for you.