The only thing I hate is how a guy with a 2-1 record in the UFC before this fight had the right to fight for the belt.
He didn’t deserve it by a long shot in my mind.
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
The only thing I hate is how a guy with a 2-1 record in the UFC before this fight had the right to fight for the belt.
He didn’t deserve it by a long shot in my mind.[/quote]
Thank you at least someone understood what i was saying. I never said the man wasnt talented, wasnt a good fight, didnt have skill. There is a long list of fighters with better records, who have put in a lot more blood and sweat in to this sport that deserve a shot at the title.
But this being a business and him being a big name is the reason he got his shot so early in his career.
Why didnt NOG get a shot before Lesnar? He beat Sylvia to be the Intirm champ while Couture was out. So Couture should have to fight NOG to be the undisputed champ again. Not fight Lesnar. This fight was all about Dana saying FUCK YOU to Randy.
Also Mir beat Lesnar, Mir would have been the number one contender if Couture was too retire. So Lesnar should have been 3rd in line for a title shot.
[quote]raptors wrote:
oh please shutup about him not deserving a shot at it, no one in the ufc can even come close to him unless he beats himself,
the only one that can beat him is fedor[/quote]
Right. You’re smoking something. He was already beat once. By Mir. Who is not, as far as I am concerned, an amazing fighter. Granted, it was a submission win, but a guy with a 2-1 record does NOT deserve a shot at the title when there are other guys that should be going first.
The only reason I see that this happened in the first place was to get the PPV buys and push Randy out early b/c of the legal battle he got into with his employers.
I even like Lesnar. Good work ethic and heart. but no WAY did he deserve the shot that soon.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
raptors wrote:
oh please shutup about him not deserving a shot at it, no one in the ufc can even come close to him unless he beats himself,
the only one that can beat him is fedor
Right. You’re smoking something. He was already beat once. By Mir. Who is not, as far as I am concerned, an amazing fighter. Granted, it was a submission win, but a guy with a 2-1 record does NOT deserve a shot at the title when there are other guys that should be going first.
The only reason I see that this happened in the first place was to get the PPV buys and push Randy out early b/c of the legal battle he got into with his employers.
I even like Lesnar. Good work ethic and heart. but no WAY did he deserve the shot that soon. [/quote]
Anderson Silva only fought a couple of times!
[quote]streamline wrote:
Aragorn wrote:
raptors wrote:
oh please shutup about him not deserving a shot at it, no one in the ufc can even come close to him unless he beats himself,
the only one that can beat him is fedor
Right. You’re smoking something. He was already beat once. By Mir. Who is not, as far as I am concerned, an amazing fighter. Granted, it was a submission win, but a guy with a 2-1 record does NOT deserve a shot at the title when there are other guys that should be going first.
The only reason I see that this happened in the first place was to get the PPV buys and push Randy out early b/c of the legal battle he got into with his employers.
I even like Lesnar. Good work ethic and heart. but no WAY did he deserve the shot that soon.
Anderson Silva only fought a couple of times! [/quote]
That is true. He’s an unstoppable monster, but that still doesn’t make it good policy.
Lesnar/Lesner (sp?) got the shot because he was brought in to be a marquee fighter. His name alone brings in PPV and rating numbers. It would have been sorta self-defeating if they were to feed Lesner sub-par (read: not marquee) fighters. Bottom line is that you probably won’t see Lesner fighting nobodies. He even requested only the absolute best competition.
Randy was the best. Nog/Mir are both champion calibur fighters, with Nog being the interim champ and Mir being the former champ. Not to beat a dead horse, but if you look at guys like Wand, or Rampage, or Griffin, you won’t see them fighting nobodies anytime soon, either. Same for Anderson, GSP, Hendo, so on and so forth. Oh well. Moral of the story, get over it. Lesner is the champ fair and square. Now we get to see if he can hold onto the belt.
I’m just glad the HW division is half way interesting now…I hated to see Randy lose…but it happens. I have no ill feelings for Brock Lesnar…he is putting in his time and effort to be a legit fighter. HOW can you not respect that???
Besides,a new era of fighters is starting to take shape in the UFC. The “nostalgic” faces of the UFC can’t be on top forever…and you know Dana is all about making the matches that will draw in the bank.
[quote]Ground-N-Pound wrote:
Its not like he didn’t earn last night, it definetely wasn’t a fluke. Randy got dropped and lost the belt. It doesn’t matter how last night turned out, Randy is respected globally and despite his loss he goes out a friggin winner no matter what.
To be honest, I dont think Lesnar did earn a shot at the belt. He only has 3(?) UFC fights, One being a loss. Is he a good fighter and very talented? Yes.
But i would have liked to see Lesnar earn his way to the top just like every other fighter had too, rather than be given a shot because of he has a name from wwe fame. He should have fought atleast 3-4 more times before given a title shot.[/quote]
Can’t…focus…avatar…
What were we talking about again?
Oh yeah, Lesnar legitimately winning the UFC heavyweight belt.
Seriously man, I can understand what you are saying, but Dana white is a business man first and foremost. Lesnar already had a big draw coming into the UFC because of his WWE fame and Dana knew this (most likely why he signed him).
Lesnar got a title shot because:
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White knew that a title match between him and Couture would bring in the most money of any possible HW title match-up
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the guy is a legitimate freak show and there is no one in the HW division who can match his combination of raw size, strength, and athleticism
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the HW division isn’t exactly teeming with potential title contenders who people really want to see fight. Gonzaga had a shot a little while ago and got owned by Couture, Mir and Nog are already tied up with the interim belt match, they haven’t really given Carwin any legitimate tests yet, etc…
And clearly by the performances that he’s showcased thus far (getting unfairly stood up and thus robbed of a win over Mir, manhandling Herring, and now legitimately beating Couture for the belt) it’s pretty clear that he deserves the situation he’s currently in.
[quote]evilachilles9 wrote:
that was a dumb fight, i could see it getting stopped when randy was getting punched in the face, but when he reached up and pulled lesner’s arm in then the ref stopped it from those tiny baby elbows are you effing serious. ghey[/quote]
You couldn’t have failed any harder with this thread. Lesnar has at least 20" arms. Did you want Randy to get brain damage?
I thought Brock was a douche for the way he ended the fight with Herring. I was worried that he would do the same thing to Randy.
Instead, he was all class. He’s earned my respect and I will be a Brock Lesnar fan from now on.
I don’t think he deserved a title shot either (1 UFC win? hardly an impressive resume), but with Nog and Mir tied up for the time being with TUF, and their subsequent matchup, there really wasn’t anyone else. I would like to see Brock/Gonzaga next, then winner of Brock/Gonzag (presumably Lesnar) vs. winner of Mir/Nog.
BTW, the next UFC card is going to be fucking sick. Forrest/Evans, Nog/Mir, Rampage/Wanderlai (too bad it can’t be a five rounder).
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
streamline wrote:
Aragorn wrote:
raptors wrote:
oh please shutup about him not deserving a shot at it, no one in the ufc can even come close to him unless he beats himself,
the only one that can beat him is fedor
Right. You’re smoking something. He was already beat once. By Mir. Who is not, as far as I am concerned, an amazing fighter. Granted, it was a submission win, but a guy with a 2-1 record does NOT deserve a shot at the title when there are other guys that should be going first.
The only reason I see that this happened in the first place was to get the PPV buys and push Randy out early b/c of the legal battle he got into with his employers.
I even like Lesnar. Good work ethic and heart. but no WAY did he deserve the shot that soon.
Anderson Silva only fought a couple of times!
That is true. He’s an unstoppable monster, but that still doesn’t make it good policy.
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No, that’s not true. Anderson was in pride for quite a few fights before coming to the ufc.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:That is true. He’s an unstoppable monster, but that still doesn’t make it good policy.
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So the UFC should not treat the sport like a business, and seek to make as much money as possible? This will lead to growth of the sport… how?
That business model has worked for… um… who?
Yes, the UFC should leave MILLIONS on the table. Because business don’t need money. And fighters don’t need promotions to remain in business.
The sport will just magically grow, and fighters will just magically have more fights.
By the way, um, Lesnar won. So, yeah, I think he was ready for and deserving of a title shot.
I know people talk about Fedor, whom I am a big fan and hope he fights Lesnar. But what about a Lesnar vs Rulon Gardner fight?
[quote]strangec wrote:
I know people talk about Fedor, whom I am a big fan and hope he fights Lesnar. But what about a Lesnar vs Rulon Gardner fight?
- YouTube [/quote]
I don’t beleive he really made much of run. He probably even fatter now. There were some big wrestlers in the UFC and Pride years ago, but most of them never did anything special. The ones that did are washed up by now. Would have been cool to see him fight a Randleman, Kerr, Coleman, Severn, or Fujita in their primes.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
strangec wrote:
I know people talk about Fedor, whom I am a big fan and hope he fights Lesnar. But what about a Lesnar vs Rulon Gardner fight?
I don’t beleive he really made much of run. He probably even fatter now. There were some big wrestlers in the UFC and Pride years ago, but most of them never did anything special. The ones that did are washed up by now. Would have been cool to see him fight a Randleman, Kerr, Coleman, Severn, or Fujita in their primes.[/quote]
Yeah I guess mine was more of a fantasy fight, it would have been fun to see Lesnar fight Raging Mark Coleman. I was just reminded of the Gardner/Yoshida when some one posted one here about Lesnar’s “baby elbows” on Couture. Gardner was throwing knees on Yoshida that didn’t look like there was much force behind them but Bas stated something like “Those knees may not look like much but that’s close to 300 pounds behind them!”
Mark Coleman vs. “Shogun” Rua is happening sometime soon. Yes,he’s fighting at 205lbs.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Mark Coleman vs. “Shogun” Rua is happening sometime soon. Yes,he’s fighting at 205lbs.[/quote]
I wasn’t even sure if Coleman was still fighting! Wasn’t he suppose to fight Lesnar awhile back and it fell through?
[quote]strangec wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Mark Coleman vs. “Shogun” Rua is happening sometime soon. Yes,he’s fighting at 205lbs.
I wasn’t even sure if Coleman was still fighting! Wasn’t he suppose to fight Lesnar awhile back and it fell through?
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Yeah…I believe it fell through because of injuries…good thing for Coleman…lol. I’d hate to see the terror on his daughters’ faces again :\
I do agree with the OP that Lesnar is a douche…however, he’s a very large and apparently exceptionally talented douche. Now Dana has not only scored with the WWE crowd by making them want to watch him win, but also with me, as I’m now just begging to see him lose. I was waiting to see him turn into an asshat like he did after the herring fight, but it was good to see that he toned down the WWE post-fight interview.
Honestly, I think Gonzaga would have a decent chance against him. He’ll only be giving up 19 lbs instead of 50. And regardless of the fact that he keeps knocking people out, he is supposed to be good on his back. Yeah, Randy beat him and Brock beat Randy, but that doesn’t always mean much. Randy vs. Napao might not have been so lopsided had Napao not had his nose destroyed in the first minute of the fight.
On another note, does anyone know what Kongo weighs in for his fights? He seemed pretty damn large in his last match.