Legitimate Revolution Possible?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
Sure a revolution is possible. As soon as cops start fire hosing, tear gassing, and billy clubbing the hippies who put the current prez in office.

Being in Pittsburgh and having a front row seat to the upcoming G20 summit(which draws hippies like a jam band festival) is going to be better than watching the Pens beat the Red Wings. Given our fair cities police forces tendency to over react and kill people on a regular basis, combined with the ensuing disillusionment of the people who elected “change”, I’m betting that the revolution starts here.

It just won’t be started by the political right. It will be started by the trust fund left, and will involve a bunch of ineffective protest, some dope smoking, and maybe some Dave Matthews.

Then it will fizzle once everybody runs out of weed. Unfortunately a couple of hippies will probably be asphyxiated somehow while in police custody.

LOL!!!

Yep!

You wanna’ see a Revolution? Take away a persons guns or weed!

(Note: I know a few gun-toting, Far Right individuals who smoke weed, by the way! No way in Hell they are giving up the Jack Daniels; but they do love themselves a Bong Hit!)

That was some FUNNY stuff, SkyzykS!

Mufasa

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Some of the best pot I’ve ever smoked was grown by some very objectively minded, business like republicans. Who else is going to develop a genetically selected, hydroponicaly produced, price point adjusted product which can be harvested at predictable time intervals and delivered to consumers multi-modally?

Not some free for all hippies, thats for sure.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
Sure a revolution is possible. As soon as cops start fire hosing, tear gassing, and billy clubbing the hippies who put the current prez in office.

Being in Pittsburgh and having a front row seat to the upcoming G20 summit(which draws hippies like a jam band festival) is going to be better than watching the Pens beat the Red Wings. Given our fair cities police forces tendency to over react and kill people on a regular basis, combined with the ensuing disillusionment of the people who elected “change”, I’m betting that the revolution starts here.

It just won’t be started by the political right. It will be started by the trust fund left, and will involve a bunch of ineffective protest, some dope smoking, and maybe some Dave Matthews.

Then it will fizzle once everybody runs out of weed. Unfortunately a couple of hippies will probably be asphyxiated somehow while in police custody.

LOL!!!

Yep!

You wanna’ see a Revolution? Take away a persons guns or weed!

(Note: I know a few gun-toting, Far Right individuals who smoke weed, by the way! No way in Hell they are giving up the Jack Daniels; but they do love themselves a Bong Hit!)

That was some FUNNY stuff, SkyzykS!

Mufasa

Some of the best pot I’ve ever smoked was grown by some very objectively minded, business like republicans. Who else is going to develop a genetically selected, hydroponicaly produced, price point adjusted product which can be harvested at predictable time intervals and delivered to consumers multi-modally?

Not some free for all hippies, thats for sure.[/quote]

LOL! x 2!

And the GOP won’t hesitate to use themselves some tax payer money if they have booty on their mind…whether its flying to Venesuela for some Latin Booty…are flying cross-country for a hand job in an airport stall! (Heck…at least Clinton got his knob slobbed in his office during a work day! Watchin’ out for the tax payers, 'ya know!)

(How did we get off on this tangent exactly, SkyzykS???)

Mufasa

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OH!

The desire for some Boo-TAY has probably caused a Revolution or two!

Mufasa

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[quote]Thors Spammer wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS - there is no point. There actually is no point in anything. Life is just one big government controlled mockery! We must all free ourselves from all forms of government to discover the true value of life! Ahhhhhhh…

…And back to reality.[/quote]

Yes, but you state the problem exactly. If you try to oust government by violence you will either lose or succeed in instituting an even more violent government.

No thank you. Orion suggests an easier and more effective alternative. Peaceful, non-cooperation.

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Nope, a revolution’s not going to happen. You really think this country is that bad? Go to Russia and ask for a revolution. You’d be shot dead in broad daylight and it wouldn’t even make the evening news.

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The stimulus bill will come close to bankrupting the country. Government run health care will push it over the edge. Combine that with the recently enacted energy tax bill and you have effectively limited any sort of growth int he GDP. In 2 years 9% unemployment will seem low by comparison. I think it will be in the low 20’s by then.

Inflation will also be kicking in hard by that point. These are all choices made by the current administration to pay off supporters. At this point the time will be ripe for a massive reform movement. If it doesn’t come or is suppressed by Obama and the Democrats then you could very well see a revolt against the federal government. I think Obama is too stubborn and arrogant to listen to anything the 48% of the country that didn’t vote for him has to say. If it comes, he’ll have nobody else to blame.

I’d give it a 20% chance of happening. Hope I’m wrong.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
Sure a revolution is possible. As soon as cops start fire hosing, tear gassing, and billy clubbing the hippies who put the current prez in office.

Being in Pittsburgh and having a front row seat to the upcoming G20 summit(which draws hippies like a jam band festival) is going to be better than watching the Pens beat the Red Wings. Given our fair cities police forces tendency to over react and kill people on a regular basis, combined with the ensuing disillusionment of the people who elected “change”, I’m betting that the revolution starts here.

It just won’t be started by the political right. It will be started by the trust fund left, and will involve a bunch of ineffective protest, some dope smoking, and maybe some Dave Matthews.

Then it will fizzle once everybody runs out of weed. Unfortunately a couple of hippies will probably be asphyxiated somehow while in police custody.

LOL!!!

Yep!

You wanna’ see a Revolution? Take away a persons guns or weed!

(Note: I know a few gun-toting, Far Right individuals who smoke weed, by the way! No way in Hell they are giving up the Jack Daniels; but they do love themselves a Bong Hit!)

That was some FUNNY stuff, SkyzykS!

Mufasa

Some of the best pot I’ve ever smoked was grown by some very objectively minded, business like republicans. Who else is going to develop a genetically selected, hydroponicaly produced, price point adjusted product which can be harvested at predictable time intervals and delivered to consumers multi-modally?

Not some free for all hippies, thats for sure.

LOL! x 2!

And the GOP won’t hesitate to use themselves some tax payer money if they have booty on their mind…whether its flying to Venesuela for some Latin Booty…are flying cross-country for a hand job in an airport stall! (Heck…at least Clinton got his knob slobbed in his office during a work day! Watchin’ out for the tax payers, 'ya know!)

(How did we get off on this tangent exactly, SkyzykS???)

Mufasa[/quote]

This is the same Clinton that traveled more than any president in history ringing up somewhere around 500,000,000 $ in travel costs during his presidency?

http://www.ntu.org/main/press_release.php?PressID=421&org_name=NTU

Yeah, those were “peace keeping” missions, wink wink.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
Sure a revolution is possible. As soon as cops start fire hosing, tear gassing, and billy clubbing the hippies who put the current prez in office.

Being in Pittsburgh and having a front row seat to the upcoming G20 summit(which draws hippies like a jam band festival) is going to be better than watching the Pens beat the Red Wings. Given our fair cities police forces tendency to over react and kill people on a regular basis, combined with the ensuing disillusionment of the people who elected “change”, I’m betting that the revolution starts here.

It just won’t be started by the political right. It will be started by the trust fund left, and will involve a bunch of ineffective protest, some dope smoking, and maybe some Dave Matthews.

Then it will fizzle once everybody runs out of weed. Unfortunately a couple of hippies will probably be asphyxiated somehow while in police custody.

LOL!!!

Yep!

You wanna’ see a Revolution? Take away a persons guns or weed!

(Note: I know a few gun-toting, Far Right individuals who smoke weed, by the way! No way in Hell they are giving up the Jack Daniels; but they do love themselves a Bong Hit!)

That was some FUNNY stuff, SkyzykS!

Mufasa

Some of the best pot I’ve ever smoked was grown by some very objectively minded, business like republicans. Who else is going to develop a genetically selected, hydroponicaly produced, price point adjusted product which can be harvested at predictable time intervals and delivered to consumers multi-modally?

Not some free for all hippies, thats for sure.

LOL! x 2!

And the GOP won’t hesitate to use themselves some tax payer money if they have booty on their mind…whether its flying to Venesuela for some Latin Booty…are flying cross-country for a hand job in an airport stall! (Heck…at least Clinton got his knob slobbed in his office during a work day! Watchin’ out for the tax payers, 'ya know!)

(How did we get off on this tangent exactly, SkyzykS???)

Mufasa

This is the same Clinton that traveled more than any president in history ringing up somewhere around 500,000,000 $ in travel costs during his presidency?

http://www.ntu.org/main/press_release.php?PressID=421&org_name=NTU

Yeah, those were “peace keeping” missions, wink wink.[/quote]

DAMN you guys need to ease up sometimes…!

It was a JOKE, DD!

Mufasa

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Thors Spammer wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS - there is no point. There actually is no point in anything. Life is just one big government controlled mockery! We must all free ourselves from all forms of government to discover the true value of life! Ahhhhhhh…

…And back to reality.

Yes, but you state the problem exactly. If you try to oust government by violence you will either lose or succeed in instituting an even more violent government.

No thank you. Orion suggests an easier and more effective alternative. Peaceful, non-cooperation.

It’s rare that I agree with Navajo Joe but I can’t think of a reason why this wouldn’t work.[/quote]

Make no mistake though, I am not insisting people shouldn’t take precautions to defend themselves if they should decide to go this route.

That our government might use force to bully us into cooperation is all we need to know about our government – or any government, for that matter. Bullies, do not like it when we stand up to them.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

No thank you. Orion suggests an easier and more effective alternative. Peaceful, non-cooperation.

It’s rare that I agree with Navajo Joe but I can’t think of a reason why this wouldn’t work.[/quote]

I wouldn’t doubt that at the perceived loss of power, the untalented people who occupy these positions of “power”, whose only creative output is to organize the lives of other people, would attempt to manipulate the situation to restore the old status quo by recruiting criminals and weak minded individuals with nothing to lose to wreck havoc in society thus making the peaceful autonomous individuals believe the only solution is to elect a governing body to do the “dirty” work of eliminating ‘evil’ from our midst.

I really wouldn’t doubt sabotage in order for these talentless useless creatures to make themselves useful to society and claim efficiency: “I am not really deficient for look! I am helping you.”
In a way they are merely creating a business for themselves by making our stability their business.

The government is a business and to survive they will look after their self-interest like any other institution; by creating and maintaining favorable conditions for supply and demand.
( If instability and disorder were purposefully and progressively eradicated the the demand for law and order would disappear and there would be no need for an authority supply ).

Smoke and mirrors.

I don’t buy it.

Self-mastery is the only way to beat the system but as it has been said before, we are too lazy to exert ourselves in the right direction: The direction of freedom from internal slavery.

When you master yourself you unify and conquer.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Consider that while the opening line of the Declaration of Independence reads, “When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them,” while the Yankee thought it good and right that he could do such a thing with regard to being under a political authority that overtaxed him, when the Southerner – who likewise was unjustly taxed, paying the great majority of Federal revenues while the South received only a fraction of Federal expenditures – thought this should apply to him, the response of the Federal Government was murderous.[/quote]

Incorrect. Putting down disunion by way of treason when the right of revolution can’t be invoked isn’t “murderous”.

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Revolution is premature at best - there are democratic means remain available to remedy any situations.

The power is there - just because it isn’t being used doesn’t mean it can’t be. Revolution should be the last resort, when other means can’t work.

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Mods, this was my post, but it posted under Gabex:

[quote]Revolution is premature at best - there are democratic means remain available to remedy any situations.

The power is there - just because it isn’t being used doesn’t mean it can’t be. Revolution should be the last resort, when other means can’t work. [/quote]

FYI.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Thors Spammer wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS - there is no point. There actually is no point in anything. Life is just one big government controlled mockery! We must all free ourselves from all forms of government to discover the true value of life! Ahhhhhhh…

…And back to reality.

Yes, but you state the problem exactly. If you try to oust government by violence you will either lose or succeed in instituting an even more violent government.

No thank you. Orion suggests an easier and more effective alternative. Peaceful, non-cooperation.

It’s rare that I agree with Navajo Joe but I can’t think of a reason why this wouldn’t work.[/quote]

Because nobody including me has the courage to go it alone. If, I, you and several 10’s of millions of Americans knew each other would do the same we would do it. It would have to be a truly large number and even that would present problems.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
pushharder wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Thors Spammer wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS - there is no point. There actually is no point in anything. Life is just one big government controlled mockery! We must all free ourselves from all forms of government to discover the true value of life! Ahhhhhhh…

…And back to reality.

Yes, but you state the problem exactly. If you try to oust government by violence you will either lose or succeed in instituting an even more violent government.

No thank you. Orion suggests an easier and more effective alternative. Peaceful, non-cooperation.

It’s rare that I agree with Navajo Joe but I can’t think of a reason why this wouldn’t work.

Because nobody including me has the courage to go it alone. If, I, you and several 10’s of millions of Americans knew each other would do the same we would do it. It would have to be a truly large number and even that would present problems.[/quote]

It is this very reason (while very legitimate) that causes people to not come together, because every single person will think that they are alone. And because of this reason, is why our government has the people in fear. I bring this up to prove my point, the people in Europe strike so much because they don’t tolerate bullshit from their government. The moment the gov’t tries to raise taxes, reduce benefits, eliminate holidays, the entire country goes on strike. Hell, my native Italy went on strike for the simple reason of the gov’t raising the price of pasta LOL. They don’t and won’t put up with that bullshit, and I hope one day, that the people of the US will do the same.

We as a people are the true strength.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
pushharder wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Thors Spammer wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS - there is no point. There actually is no point in anything. Life is just one big government controlled mockery! We must all free ourselves from all forms of government to discover the true value of life! Ahhhhhhh…

…And back to reality.

Yes, but you state the problem exactly. If you try to oust government by violence you will either lose or succeed in instituting an even more violent government.

No thank you. Orion suggests an easier and more effective alternative. Peaceful, non-cooperation.

It’s rare that I agree with Navajo Joe but I can’t think of a reason why this wouldn’t work.

Because nobody including me has the courage to go it alone. If, I, you and several 10’s of millions of Americans knew each other would do the same we would do it. It would have to be a truly large number and even that would present problems.

It is this very reason (while very legitimate) that causes people to not come together, because every single person will think that they are alone. And because of this reason, is why our government has the people in fear. I bring this up to prove my point, the people in Europe strike so much because they don’t tolerate bullshit from their government. The moment the gov’t tries to raise taxes, reduce benefits, eliminate holidays, the entire country goes on strike. Hell, my native Italy went on strike for the simple reason of the gov’t raising the price of pasta LOL. They don’t and won’t put up with that bullshit, and I hope one day, that the people of the US will do the same.

We as a people are the true strength.[/quote]

It would take organization and whatever anybody thinks of the patriot act it’s very real dangers would become apparent as the various types of surveillance would make known such organization, especially on that scale and at this point I have a feeling it would be put down before it ever got off the ground. Hell’ I wouldn’t be shocked if the secret service were at my door tomorrow asking me about this post.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

It would take organization and whatever anybody thinks of the patriot act it’s very real dangers would become apparent as the various types of surveillance would make known such organization, especially on that scale and at this point I have a feeling it would be put down before it ever got off the ground. Hell’ I wouldn’t be shocked if the secret service were at my door tomorrow asking me about this post. [/quote]

With your uncharacteristic spelling errors and grammatical fuckups I’m going to go out on a limb and say you were drinking tonight.

Don’t feel bad, I was too, I’m just a really good drunk typer. Hence the importance of looking at the times of my posts- you won’t be able to tell.

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As long as we are able to vote, we are choosing the government. (ACORN not withstanding.) So if enough people want the government changed, we are able to vote that change. If there are not enough people to do that, then there are not enough to stage any sort of coup.

Assuming we are talking of a military coup.

I could believe in a revolution of thoughts and ideas that could cause a complete change in our governmental process through completely legitimate routs.

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[quote]The Mage wrote:
As long as we are able to vote, we are choosing the government. (ACORN not withstanding.) So if enough people want the government changed, we are able to vote that change. If there are not enough people to do that, then there are not enough to stage any sort of coup.

Assuming we are talking of a military coup.

I could believe in a revolution of thoughts and ideas that could cause a complete change in our governmental process through completely legitimate routs. [/quote]

Fallacy. You even provide a parenthetical example in your reply.

Voting is what brought us to this point. Even if we managed to get people to vote to change anything we would just be back at this same point at a later date because democracy will always lead to the majority of fuckups looting those of us who are responsible. There is no other way for democracy to work. Changing the government via democracy will only change who gets looted by changing who is protected and who is not.

Also, democracy is what gave the US central banking – the biggest looting scheme in all of history which makes possible the idea of total, ideological war.

The proponents of democracy claim that its ideology is what makes society better off by giving every man a voice but rather democracy is powerfully evil in that it also provides those voices with the means to steal from and legislate us into cages with its arbitrary, egalitarian laws. Add to that free entry into the ruling class and we have one of the most destructive ideologies of modern government.

A society based on privately owned property and voluntary exchange is much better in terms of moving society forward and providing the material goods that give us a quality of life. Every thing democracy accomplishes is just counterproductive to those ends.

The majority is not always right – in fact, they are mostly wrong.