[quote]gregron wrote:
^^thats exactly what someone who works in that field would say in an attempt to throw me off the trail.[/quote]
You just couldn’t let it go, could you, gregron… you had to just keep. Asking. Questions…
kakno touched on this in earlier posts, but vaccines are not designed and made for us T-men. They’re using these vaccines to reduce the amount of kids and elderly that die every year. At a population level, vaccination is amazing. At the individual level, I’m sure most of us on this forum would be ok without the vaccine. Complications and risks are out there certainly, but they’re extremely overblown. I view vaccination somewhat like voting. It’s more of a civic duty than it is a personal benefit.
[quote]gregron wrote:
IMO, you’re either going to get the flu or you’re not going to get it… Doest matter if you get the shot or not.
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Definitely disagree. If you have been exposed to the virus and have no vaccine you have a very good chance of getting infected. The flu can infect you through the lining of your nose and can be spread through the air… it’s not something you can easily avoid. If you haven’t gotten the flu odds are you just never spent an extended period of time around someone with the flu.
It really depends on your living situation. If you spend time in places where lots of people are at one time - i.e. college dorms, hospitals, large shared dining halls, public transportation, airplanes, etc… then you are going to be much more likely to pick up the flu then someone that has their own house and drives themselves to work.
What I don’t understand is why the anti-vaccine crowd only worries about the long-term effects of the vaccine without worrying about the long term effects of getting the flu. The flu is a systemic virus that stresses your entire body… a bad case can cause liver enzymes to look like those of a 10 year alcoholic.
[quote]challer1 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
IMO, you’re either going to get the flu or you’re not going to get it… Doest matter if you get the shot or not.
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Definitely disagree. If you have been exposed to the virus and have no vaccine you have a very good chance of getting infected. The flu can infect you through the lining of your nose and can be spread through the air… it’s not something you can easily avoid. If you haven’t gotten the flu odds are you just never spent an extended period of time around someone with the flu.
It really depends on your living situation. If you spend time in places where lots of people are at one time - i.e. college dorms, hospitals, large shared dining halls, public transportation, airplanes, etc… then you are going to be much more likely to pick up the flu then someone that has their own house and drives themselves to work.[/quote]
This is a reasonable point of view but it doesn’t fit with my life experience at all. I took public transportation thru most of high school and lived in dorms thru much of college yet never got sick once during those years. Save for a few colds that were never more than a minor nuisance. I hit my early 30’s and suddenly colds got more common and started to hit me. Plus, as I said, I got the flu once and soothing else, worse than a cold once.
Further, in my thirties I went to work for a small company with only about 10 employees in our location and a few years after that I started training at home. I also started getting injuries about the time I started getting sick.
Based on this personal experience I have to conclude that the fitness of your immune system is very important in resisting viruses even if there’s been no exposure to the viruses before. We are not at the mercy of exposure and specific resistance.
[quote]challer1 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
IMO, you’re either going to get the flu or you’re not going to get it… Doest matter if you get the shot or not.
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Definitely disagree. If you have been exposed to the virus and have no vaccine you have a very good chance of getting infected. The flu can infect you through the lining of your nose and can be spread through the air… it’s not something you can easily avoid. If you haven’t gotten the flu odds are you just never spent an extended period of time around someone with the flu.
It really depends on your living situation. If you spend time in places where lots of people are at one time - i.e. college dorms, hospitals, large shared dining halls, public transportation, airplanes, etc… then you are going to be much more likely to pick up the flu then someone that has their own house and drives themselves to work.[/quote]
So you say.
I work around sick people all day, don’t get flu shots and never get sick.
[quote]challer1 wrote:
What I don’t understand is why the anti-vaccine crowd only worries about the long-term effects of the vaccine without worrying about the long term effects of getting the flu. The flu is a systemic virus that stresses your entire body… a bad case can cause liver enzymes to look like those of a 10 year alcoholic.[/quote]
It’s not that WE don’t worry about it, it’s a valid point. For me its about weighing the concerns. On one hand I don’t know if I will ever get the flu again and on the other hand I KNOW if I get vaccinated unhealthy substances are getting injected into my body. As I said in my first post; “first do no harm”.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
To everyone that complains about not knowing what is in the vaccine. REALLY.
However you will buy “supplements” that have NO regulation and could contain bat guano for all you know and are fine with that.
Wow[/quote]
I’m very concerned about what I ingest however I’m much more concerned with something injected into my body than I am something ingested. Supplements ARE regulated. Any supplement you get has to have the ingredients stated so the consumer knows what they are taking. It’s much more difficult to find out (maybe impossible under the guise of proprietary) the components of a vaccine. I’m pretty sure there are ingredients in vaccines that would not be permitted in supplements.[/quote]
You fools are relying far, far too much on “the government” to protect you. We don’t need the government “protecting” us. The market does that automatically. The FDA shouldn’t really exist. Jesus. Watch that Stossel guy on Fox. Duh.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
To everyone that complains about not knowing what is in the vaccine. REALLY.
However you will buy “supplements” that have NO regulation and could contain bat guano for all you know and are fine with that.
Wow[/quote]
I’m very concerned about what I ingest however I’m much more concerned with something injected into my body than I am something ingested. Supplements ARE regulated. Any supplement you get has to have the ingredients stated so the consumer knows what they are taking. It’s much more difficult to find out (maybe impossible under the guise of proprietary) the components of a vaccine. I’m pretty sure there are ingredients in vaccines that would not be permitted in supplements.[/quote]
Sorry but they are not regulated of course they have to put the ingredients but that is just putting shit on a label. They have fat free label on fucking pixie sticks.
Vaccines along with all RX. medications sold in the US are under federal regulations. Jesus Christ the amount of litigation in dealing with medications in this country is ludicrous.
I know your view on this and I can respect the decisions you make for yourself, HOWEVER IMO it is conspiracy theory bullshit. I have been in this field all my life and medications have been pulled off the shelf for a very, very, very small % of people who had adverse reactions. General public never hears about this unless it makes it to a law firm commercial looking to rape the pharma [/quote]
You’re being foolish. Just spend some time over on PWI and you’ll be straightened right out.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
uhh pretty sure us tinfoil hat conspirists have a better understanding of vaccines than medical professionals[/quote]
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]challer1 wrote:
What I don’t understand is why the anti-vaccine crowd only worries about the long-term effects of the vaccine without worrying about the long term effects of getting the flu. The flu is a systemic virus that stresses your entire body… a bad case can cause liver enzymes to look like those of a 10 year alcoholic.[/quote]
It’s not that WE don’t worry about it, it’s a valid point. For me its about weighing the concerns. On one hand I don’t know if I will ever get the flu again and on the other hand I KNOW if I get vaccinated unhealthy substances are getting injected into my body. As I said in my first post; “first do no harm”.[/quote]
YOU might have weighed the risks, but I’m certain that most of the tinfoil hat people have no idea that actually getting the flu causes “wear and tear” (for a lack of a better term) on the body.
Additionally, your “first do no harm” statement seems hypocritical. Unless you live in a single family home, drive yourself to work at a very small office, and never enter a public place (like a grocery store) ever, how can you say that?
It has been well documented that the elderly do not always respond to the vaccination (doesn’t reduce infection rates as much as it does in adults). These elderly populations rely on healthy adults to get vaccinations so those said healthy adults don’t unwittingly pass the virus around.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]challer1 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
IMO, you’re either going to get the flu or you’re not going to get it… Doest matter if you get the shot or not.
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Definitely disagree. If you have been exposed to the virus and have no vaccine you have a very good chance of getting infected. The flu can infect you through the lining of your nose and can be spread through the air… it’s not something you can easily avoid. If you haven’t gotten the flu odds are you just never spent an extended period of time around someone with the flu.
It really depends on your living situation. If you spend time in places where lots of people are at one time - i.e. college dorms, hospitals, large shared dining halls, public transportation, airplanes, etc… then you are going to be much more likely to pick up the flu then someone that has their own house and drives themselves to work.[/quote]
So you say.
I work around sick people all day, don’t get flu shots and never get sick.[/quote]
But how many people have you unknowingly infected?
I typically like your posts and rationale but working in a setting with sick people and not getting a flu shot is irresponsible.
[quote]challer1 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]challer1 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
IMO, you’re either going to get the flu or you’re not going to get it… Doest matter if you get the shot or not.
[/quote]
Definitely disagree. If you have been exposed to the virus and have no vaccine you have a very good chance of getting infected. The flu can infect you through the lining of your nose and can be spread through the air… it’s not something you can easily avoid. If you haven’t gotten the flu odds are you just never spent an extended period of time around someone with the flu.
It really depends on your living situation. If you spend time in places where lots of people are at one time - i.e. college dorms, hospitals, large shared dining halls, public transportation, airplanes, etc… then you are going to be much more likely to pick up the flu then someone that has their own house and drives themselves to work.[/quote]
So you say.
I work around sick people all day, don’t get flu shots and never get sick.[/quote]
But how many people have you unknowingly infected?
I typically like your posts and rationale but working in a setting with sick people and not getting a flu shot is irresponsible.
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LOL He might mean the average American is sick and that’s who he’s referring to. I’ll keep my fingers crossed.
I work in a large hospital. More specifically I clean hospital rooms. Mostly precaution rooms ie: MRSA, VRE, C-Diff, MDRO. The vaccine is not mandatory but they really pressure you. One particular wing had a type 2 outbreak announced this week so anyone working in that dept has to get the shot, fair enough, I already got the shot, no biggie.
In just over two years working there I’ve had one sick day and that was a family emergency, not because I was sick.
I do feel shitty once on a while but nothing too bad, sore throat maybe. I like to think it’s my lifestyle (though far less than perfect) is the reason for my near perfect attendance. Who the fuck knows. I work with other folks who have never missed a day in years and they look like shit as far as looks and health go.
I will say this, THE most toxic dept to work in, especially the winter months is Peads Emergency. One week after school starts the place fills up, busy right through to June.
Usually the same flu advice for parents: Cold bath, tylenol, pop sickle, rest, go home.
Gregron, I dare you to spend an hour in that waiting room. By the time you returned to your car you’d be ready the shit through the eye of a needle and have gone through box of kleenex lol.
I work as a paramedic and am obviously in and out of hospitals all the time. The flu shot is optional for EMS personnel. I’ve had plenty of immunization a and vaccines (especially when I was in the military: small pox, anthrax etc…) but just do not believe in the flu shot and choose not to get it.
[quote]gregron wrote:
I work as a paramedic and am obviously in and out of hospitals all the time. The flu shot is optional for EMS personnel. I’ve had plenty of immunization a and vaccines (especially when I was in the military: small pox, anthrax etc…) but just do not believe in the flu shot and choose not to get it.[/quote]
No Shit! Man I have a ton of respect for you folks.
It’s funny my wife who works in an office of ten employees or so gets sick way more than I do even though I’m swimming in the stuff.
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
I work as a paramedic and am obviously in and out of hospitals all the time. The flu shot is optional for EMS personnel. I’ve had plenty of immunization a and vaccines (especially when I was in the military: small pox, anthrax etc…) but just do not believe in the flu shot and choose not to get it.[/quote]
No Shit! Man I have a ton of respect for you folks.
It’s funny my wife who works in an office of ten employees or so gets sick way more than I do even though I’m swimming in the stuff.
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Ya it’s weird man, some people get sick and others don’t… My brother has two little kids and when they get sick his wife always get sick but he never does even though he’s just as exposed as she is… I think it’s genetics. Some people are going to get it and some aren’t and I honestly don’t think the flu shot matters unless you are very young or very old.
Another thing I don’t understand about the flu are the symptoms now.
When I was growing up when you had the flu you felt like shit, puked your guts out, you shit your guts out and that was it. A cold was a cold.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
I work as a paramedic and am obviously in and out of hospitals all the time. The flu shot is optional for EMS personnel. I’ve had plenty of immunization a and vaccines (especially when I was in the military: small pox, anthrax etc…) but just do not believe in the flu shot and choose not to get it.[/quote]
No Shit! Man I have a ton of respect for you folks.
It’s funny my wife who works in an office of ten employees or so gets sick way more than I do even though I’m swimming in the stuff.
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Ya it’s weird man, some people get sick and others don’t… My brother has two little kids and when they get sick his wife always get sick but he never does even though he’s just as exposed as she is… I think it’s genetics. Some people are going to get it and some aren’t and I honestly don’t think the flu shot matters unless you are very young or very old.
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The outbreak I mentioned was in a wing with all elderly patients, go figure.
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
LOL @ Skyzyks. (OMG Sky I JUST noticed the palindrome there in your username. My OCD is gleeful)[/quote]
Oh crap, you just took away the joy I would have had when I eventually noticed it myself![/quote]
It’s O.K. on edge, I’ll just start another account under the name XylenelyX and not tell you.
Or maybe LillylliL.
Oh boy. This could keep all of our OCDs happy for quite some timemit.
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I noticed that shit years ago … I just don’t need to announce to everyone that I know what a palindrome is … yea I’m callin you out Ms. OCD :)[/quote]
Bullshit! Everyone knows that if you don’t announce these things they don’t exist.