Legalizing Weed

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey Pitt did you and your pals get pot legalized yet?

No?

You mean all the posts about how good it is has had no effect yet on those who actually make these types of decisions?

That’s a shame…[/quote]

Hey Zeb , you haven’t answered my question. What do we get for the HUGE cost of this war on drugs?[/quote]

Less people taking drugs.

(yawn)[/quote]

how many less ?
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Much less than if it were legal. [/quote]

bull shit
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According to your faulty logic if Colgate wants to sell more toothpaste they should ask the government to make it illegal. Because you think that any product that is legal, institutionalized and large sums of money spent advertising it will actually sell LESS!

Pittski you suffer from rationalization. YOU like pot so therefore YOU think that it should be legalized. And YOU say stupid shit to back up your desire…and actually believe it.

Fact: When a product (any product) is legal and more readily available it will sell more.

Fact: When a product has an advertising budget it will sell more.

Fact: When a product is legitimized it will sell more.

Try another angle …hey here’s one:

“I really really like pot and want it to be legal”

That would make more sense than your current nonsense!

LOL

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http://norml.org/marijuana/personal/item/marijuana-decriminalization-its-impact-on-use-2#intl_studies

Yawn :slight_smile:
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Wow a pro legalize pot web site says that less people would use pot if it were legalized.

Ha ha ha[/quote]

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey Pitt did you and your pals get pot legalized yet?

No?

You mean all the posts about how good it is has had no effect yet on those who actually make these types of decisions?

That’s a shame…[/quote]

Hey Zeb , you haven’t answered my question. What do we get for the HUGE cost of this war on drugs?[/quote]

Less people taking drugs.

(yawn)[/quote]

how many less ?
[/quote]

Much less than if it were legal. [/quote]

bull shit
[/quote]

According to your faulty logic if Colgate wants to sell more toothpaste they should ask the government to make it illegal. Because you think that any product that is legal, institutionalized and large sums of money spent advertising it will actually sell LESS!

Pittski you suffer from rationalization. YOU like pot so therefore YOU think that it should be legalized. And YOU say stupid shit to back up your desire…and actually believe it.

Fact: When a product (any product) is legal and more readily available it will sell more.

Fact: When a product has an advertising budget it will sell more.

Fact: When a product is legitimized it will sell more.

Try another angle …hey here’s one:

“I really really like pot and want it to be legal”

That would make more sense than your current nonsense!

LOL

[/quote]

http://norml.org/marijuana/personal/item/marijuana-decriminalization-its-impact-on-use-2#intl_studies

Yawn :slight_smile:
[/quote]

Wow a pro legalize pot web site says that less people would use pot if it were legalized.

Ha ha ha[/quote]

I get it now :slight_smile:

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]T11 wrote:
Yes Zeb weed should be illegal because…? You use anything to much it can kill or damage you. You can die from drinking too much water. Water intoxication where your brain gets suspended. Yes lets put more people in jail because that solves problems. [/quote]

LOL…kids (eye roll)[/quote]

You sir are an idiot. I’m sorry I have seen in done more in my 21 years of life then you will ever see in your whole life. You have no logic in your thinking at all. Never answered my question. Why should it be illegal? There are really no good reasons but your logic goes something like this. It is illegal now so it must be bad so lets keep it illegal. I can see you being a big hypocrite. Probably one that will say weed is bad but its perfectly ok for yourself to go watch incest rape porn. If we keep getting more people like you in the world it will end up something like the movie Idiotcracy.

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[quote]T11 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]T11 wrote:
Yes Zeb weed should be illegal because…? You use anything to much it can kill or damage you. You can die from drinking too much water. Water intoxication where your brain gets suspended. Yes lets put more people in jail because that solves problems. [/quote]

LOL…kids (eye roll)[/quote]

You sir are an idiot. I’m sorry I have seen in done more in my 21 years of life then you will ever see in your whole life. You have no logic in your thinking at all. Never answered my question. Why should it be illegal? There are really no good reasons but your logic goes something like this. It is illegal now so it must be bad so lets keep it illegal. I can see you being a big hypocrite. Probably one that will say weed is bad but its perfectly ok for yourself to go watch incest rape porn. If we keep getting more people like you in the world it will end up something like the movie Idiotcracy. [/quote]

LOL!

Keep em coming junior they’re priceless.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In Zeb’s defense I could see a small up in the use , but imo very negligible . Nothing to the tune of the cost of this silly war [/quote]

The cost of the “silly war” keeps the costs of more kids using pot down. It also keeps more people in general from using pot.

This in turn keeps medical costs down and the pain of more traffic fatalities down.

It’s always easy to look at something that YOU don’t think is working and make a claim that it would be better if that thing were removed. But you have to ask yourself what the trade off is.

Now get busy and tell me how legitimizing pot increasing it’s availability and advertising it will not cause far more users.

You cannot get beyond this with your silly argument. And fortunately those in power who are making the decisions are aware of those three facts. And they’ve actually have gotten this one right. There will be no legalization of pot in your lifetime bud![/quote]

I think we should start a war on Ny Quil , it makes as much sense. I would rather some one drive after smoking up than after taking Ny quil .

I personally have learned to deal with pot being illegal.

If I get caught it will only cost you $30,000 a year to keep me in prison[/quote]

I’ll be glad to pay for the first year out of my own pocket. :wink:

No seriously, if you do go to jail at least you’ll be among friends. You guys can hang out in the prison yard and talk about how unfair the pot laws are. LOL

Now get busy and tell me how legitimizing pot increasing it’s availability and advertising it will not cause far more users.
[/quote]

When I go to prison I will have to learn a new trade, because I will no longer be bondable or even employable in to days market , I think I will study Credit card fraud or maybe burglary may be even armed robbery

you will also have to support my ex wife and my 14 kids plus my present wife and 12 more kids :slight_smile:
I hope you don’t go broke on the first year :slight_smile:
[/quote]

If you are actually worried about it (and obviously you are not) all you have to do is to give up smoking pot.

Also, you still have to tell me how legitimizing pot increasing it’s availability and advertising it will not cause far more users. Since this is the crux of my argument if you cannot answer these questions then the debate is over.

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I gave you that much Zeb , that there would probably be an increase in usage . You will have to take it from me or not . I would rather my kids smoke pot than drink alcohol. I know a lot of pot smokers .None have problems with weed . I do know more people that drink and I would say there is a given percent that have problems with alcohol.
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I said from the beginning if you had to rationalize legalization of pot based upon how bad alcohol is that is a losing argument. The reason being that you are comparing two things that both have potentially dangerous consequences if used. How is that actually good for society?

It’s like saying you want to die by gun shot because it’s less painful than burning to death. Well…I suppose it is but dying by gun shot is still not a pleasant proposition.

And you’ve admitted that if pot is legitimized, advertised and is more available that more people will be using it.

I think I can pretty much move on there is no good argument (to found on this thread at least) for legalizing pot.

[/quote]

b/c it’s hypocritical… If weed is illegal because it has ill health effects, then alcohol should be made illegal on the same grounsds. Since it is not, we must then consider why are we holding onto the idea that weed is evil just b/c it’s illegal.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In Zeb’s defense I could see a small up in the use , but imo very negligible . Nothing to the tune of the cost of this silly war [/quote]

The cost of the “silly war” keeps the costs of more kids using pot down. It also keeps more people in general from using pot.

This in turn keeps medical costs down and the pain of more traffic fatalities down.

It’s always easy to look at something that YOU don’t think is working and make a claim that it would be better if that thing were removed. But you have to ask yourself what the trade off is.

Now get busy and tell me how legitimizing pot increasing it’s availability and advertising it will not cause far more users.

You cannot get beyond this with your silly argument. And fortunately those in power who are making the decisions are aware of those three facts. And they’ve actually have gotten this one right. There will be no legalization of pot in your lifetime bud![/quote]

I think we should start a war on Ny Quil , it makes as much sense. I would rather some one drive after smoking up than after taking Ny quil .

I personally have learned to deal with pot being illegal.

If I get caught it will only cost you $30,000 a year to keep me in prison[/quote]

I’ll be glad to pay for the first year out of my own pocket. :wink:

No seriously, if you do go to jail at least you’ll be among friends. You guys can hang out in the prison yard and talk about how unfair the pot laws are. LOL

Now get busy and tell me how legitimizing pot increasing it’s availability and advertising it will not cause far more users.
[/quote]

When I go to prison I will have to learn a new trade, because I will no longer be bondable or even employable in to days market , I think I will study Credit card fraud or maybe burglary may be even armed robbery

you will also have to support my ex wife and my 14 kids plus my present wife and 12 more kids :slight_smile:
I hope you don’t go broke on the first year :slight_smile:
[/quote]

If you are actually worried about it (and obviously you are not) all you have to do is to give up smoking pot.

Also, you still have to tell me how legitimizing pot increasing it’s availability and advertising it will not cause far more users. Since this is the crux of my argument if you cannot answer these questions then the debate is over.

[/quote]

I gave you that much Zeb , that there would probably be an increase in usage . You will have to take it from me or not . I would rather my kids smoke pot than drink alcohol. I know a lot of pot smokers .None have problems with weed . I do know more people that drink and I would say there is a given percent that have problems with alcohol.
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I said from the beginning if you had to rationalize legalization of pot based upon how bad alcohol is that is a losing argument. The reason being that you are comparing two things that both have potentially dangerous consequences if used. How is that actually good for society?

It’s like saying you want to die by gun shot because it’s less painful than burning to death. Well…I suppose it is but dying by gun shot is still not a pleasant proposition.

And you’ve admitted that if pot is legitimized, advertised and is more available that more people will be using it.

I think I can pretty much move on there is no good argument (to found on this thread at least) for legalizing pot.

[/quote]

b/c it’s hypocritical… If weed is illegal because it has ill health effects, then alcohol should be made illegal on the same grounsds. Since it is not, we must then consider why are we holding onto the idea that weed is evil just b/c it’s illegal.[/quote]

Then by your own admission both have negative health effects (not to mention the societal ills). Hence, you cannot justify making one legal by claiming the other is. All you’ve done is make an argument for alcohol being illegal.

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lol @groo funny stuff. Zeb keep em coming junior? I wish I could get a picture of you so when I go back to Afghanistan in January for my second deployment I can rest easy seeing your face when I shoot.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In Zeb’s defense I could see a small up in the use , but imo very negligible . Nothing to the tune of the cost of this silly war [/quote]

The cost of the “silly war” keeps the costs of more kids using pot down. It also keeps more people in general from using pot.

This in turn keeps medical costs down and the pain of more traffic fatalities down.

It’s always easy to look at something that YOU don’t think is working and make a claim that it would be better if that thing were removed. But you have to ask yourself what the trade off is.

Now get busy and tell me how legitimizing pot increasing it’s availability and advertising it will not cause far more users.

You cannot get beyond this with your silly argument. And fortunately those in power who are making the decisions are aware of those three facts. And they’ve actually have gotten this one right. There will be no legalization of pot in your lifetime bud![/quote]

I think we should start a war on Ny Quil , it makes as much sense. I would rather some one drive after smoking up than after taking Ny quil .

I personally have learned to deal with pot being illegal.

If I get caught it will only cost you $30,000 a year to keep me in prison[/quote]

I’ll be glad to pay for the first year out of my own pocket. :wink:

No seriously, if you do go to jail at least you’ll be among friends. You guys can hang out in the prison yard and talk about how unfair the pot laws are. LOL

Now get busy and tell me how legitimizing pot increasing it’s availability and advertising it will not cause far more users.
[/quote]

When I go to prison I will have to learn a new trade, because I will no longer be bondable or even employable in to days market , I think I will study Credit card fraud or maybe burglary may be even armed robbery

you will also have to support my ex wife and my 14 kids plus my present wife and 12 more kids :slight_smile:
I hope you don’t go broke on the first year :slight_smile:
[/quote]

If you are actually worried about it (and obviously you are not) all you have to do is to give up smoking pot.

Also, you still have to tell me how legitimizing pot increasing it’s availability and advertising it will not cause far more users. Since this is the crux of my argument if you cannot answer these questions then the debate is over.

[/quote]

I gave you that much Zeb , that there would probably be an increase in usage . You will have to take it from me or not . I would rather my kids smoke pot than drink alcohol. I know a lot of pot smokers .None have problems with weed . I do know more people that drink and I would say there is a given percent that have problems with alcohol.
[/quote]

I said from the beginning if you had to rationalize legalization of pot based upon how bad alcohol is that is a losing argument. The reason being that you are comparing two things that both have potentially dangerous consequences if used. How is that actually good for society?

It’s like saying you want to die by gun shot because it’s less painful than burning to death. Well…I suppose it is but dying by gun shot is still not a pleasant proposition.

And you’ve admitted that if pot is legitimized, advertised and is more available that more people will be using it.

I think I can pretty much move on there is no good argument (to found on this thread at least) for legalizing pot.

[/quote]

b/c it’s hypocritical… If weed is illegal because it has ill health effects, then alcohol should be made illegal on the same grounsds. Since it is not, we must then consider why are we holding onto the idea that weed is evil just b/c it’s illegal.[/quote]

Then by your own admission both have negative health effects (not to mention the societal ills). Hence, you cannot justify making one legal by claiming the other is. All you’ve done is make an argument for alcohol being illegal.

[/quote]

Why aren’t you pushing for prohibition of alcohol?

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

Why aren’t you pushing for prohibition of alcohol?[/quote]

Cause he is a Statusquotarian.

Thats why he lurvs him Mitt Romney sooooo much.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

Why aren’t you pushing for prohibition of alcohol?[/quote]

Cause he is a Statusquotarian.

Thats why he lurvs him Mitt Romney sooooo much. [/quote]

Totally agree

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In Zeb’s defense I could see a small up in the use , but imo very negligible . Nothing to the tune of the cost of this silly war [/quote]

The cost of the “silly war” keeps the costs of more kids using pot down. It also keeps more people in general from using pot.

This in turn keeps medical costs down and the pain of more traffic fatalities down.

It’s always easy to look at something that YOU don’t think is working and make a claim that it would be better if that thing were removed. But you have to ask yourself what the trade off is.

Now get busy and tell me how legitimizing pot increasing it’s availability and advertising it will not cause far more users.

You cannot get beyond this with your silly argument. And fortunately those in power who are making the decisions are aware of those three facts. And they’ve actually have gotten this one right. There will be no legalization of pot in your lifetime bud![/quote]

I think we should start a war on Ny Quil , it makes as much sense. I would rather some one drive after smoking up than after taking Ny quil .

I personally have learned to deal with pot being illegal.

If I get caught it will only cost you $30,000 a year to keep me in prison[/quote]

I’ll be glad to pay for the first year out of my own pocket. :wink:

No seriously, if you do go to jail at least you’ll be among friends. You guys can hang out in the prison yard and talk about how unfair the pot laws are. LOL

Now get busy and tell me how legitimizing pot increasing it’s availability and advertising it will not cause far more users.
[/quote]

When I go to prison I will have to learn a new trade, because I will no longer be bondable or even employable in to days market , I think I will study Credit card fraud or maybe burglary may be even armed robbery

you will also have to support my ex wife and my 14 kids plus my present wife and 12 more kids :slight_smile:
I hope you don’t go broke on the first year :slight_smile:
[/quote]

If you are actually worried about it (and obviously you are not) all you have to do is to give up smoking pot.

Also, you still have to tell me how legitimizing pot increasing it’s availability and advertising it will not cause far more users. Since this is the crux of my argument if you cannot answer these questions then the debate is over.

[/quote]

I gave you that much Zeb , that there would probably be an increase in usage . You will have to take it from me or not . I would rather my kids smoke pot than drink alcohol. I know a lot of pot smokers .None have problems with weed . I do know more people that drink and I would say there is a given percent that have problems with alcohol.
[/quote]

I said from the beginning if you had to rationalize legalization of pot based upon how bad alcohol is that is a losing argument. The reason being that you are comparing two things that both have potentially dangerous consequences if used. How is that actually good for society?

It’s like saying you want to die by gun shot because it’s less painful than burning to death. Well…I suppose it is but dying by gun shot is still not a pleasant proposition.

And you’ve admitted that if pot is legitimized, advertised and is more available that more people will be using it.

I think I can pretty much move on there is no good argument (to found on this thread at least) for legalizing pot.

[/quote]

b/c it’s hypocritical… If weed is illegal because it has ill health effects, then alcohol should be made illegal on the same grounsds. Since it is not, we must then consider why are we holding onto the idea that weed is evil just b/c it’s illegal.[/quote]

Then by your own admission both have negative health effects (not to mention the societal ills). Hence, you cannot justify making one legal by claiming the other is. All you’ve done is make an argument for alcohol being illegal.

[/quote]

Why aren’t you pushing for prohibition of alcohol?[/quote]

I am not the one who brought up the argument that both pot and alcohol are bad for your health and bad for society. You should be asking the other poster why he isn’t pushing for such a thing.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

I am not the one who brought up the argument that both pot and alcohol are bad for your health and bad for society. You should be asking the other poster why he isn’t pushing for such a thing.[/quote]

You are willing to tolerate the one but not the other.

This artificial distinction is all yours to explain.

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[quote]orion wrote:

You are willing to tolerate the one but not the other.

This artificial distinction is all yours to explain. [/quote]

It’s not artificial - alcohol has positive health effects. It’s in the news daily.

Pot, not so much - in addition to all of its other problems, it makes you dumber:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57501243-10391704/smoking-marijuana-regularly-as-a-teen-may-lower-iq-scores-as-an-adult/

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Yay, ten health benefits of beer:

Yay, the health benefits of wine:

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I think the big positive out of this thread is how some of the small government guys have clearly moved over into holding that some things are so beneficial to society that it is more important to legislate against them than to allow freedom.

Its just a short hop now to getting you guys to agree that thinks like a single payer health care program might be beneficial to society.

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Not good - marijuana tied to testicular cancer:

http://news.yahoo.com/marijuana-smoking-tied-testicular-cancer-study-023342821.html

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[quote]T11 wrote:
lol @groo funny stuff. Zeb keep em coming junior? I wish I could get a picture of you so when I go back to Afghanistan in January for my second deployment I can rest easy seeing your face when I shoot. [/quote]

All this anger because he doesn’t agree with your position on weed?

I don’t agree with his position on weed either, doesn’t mean I wish ill will on him or anyone that thinks it should be illegal.

Kinda taken back by your comment here man.

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[quote]groo wrote:

I think the big positive out of this thread is how some of the small government guys have clearly moved over into holding that some things are so beneficial to society that it is more important to legislate against them than to allow freedom.[/quote]

Yep, and it has always been that way - public morality laws have been in place since the borth of the Republic, and many were (necessarily) strengthened as people began to be eligible for public programs that helped clean up the wreckage of their bad choices. That’s not exactly a shocking news story - or it shouldn’t be.

Non-sequitur. There is no reason someone can’t be for outlawing certain harmful drugs and against universal health care. That’s just dumb, and even backwards.

Laws prohibiting certain drugs are designed to prohibit and prevent people from otherwise screwing up their health and lives through drug use. If these laws were effective, we’d have less of a need for overarching government programs to clean up the screwed-up lives of drug users.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

You are willing to tolerate the one but not the other.

This artificial distinction is all yours to explain. [/quote]

It’s not artificial - alcohol has positive health effects. It’s in the news daily.

Pot, not so much - in addition to all of its other problems, it makes you dumber:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57501243-10391704/smoking-marijuana-regularly-as-a-teen-may-lower-iq-scores-as-an-adult/[/quote]

I am not a teen.

And while alcohol may, may, have some benefits they quickly disappear if you take too much and then the problems kick in.

Not so with pot, which also does not make you aggressive, does not lead to you overestimating your abilities and, last but not least, has some kickass health benefits if you happen to have cancer, or aids, or depression, or PTSD…

A pot head is far less likely to cause problems to “society” than a “boozehead”, because it is very hard to do that if you sit on your couch and listen to 60s music.