Legalizing Weed

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Still laughing at rappers going from smoking blunts to screwing dogs in videos. What will the back up dancers look like?[/quote]

One would think that you would understand what a metaphor is. But you’ve surprised me in the past so …[/quote]

What surprises me is the level of obstinate rambling from you that is based on nothing but a poorly supported opinion no doubt based on decades of drug war propaganda.[/quote]

And yet you could not refute a single word of it! Your argument: “Um freedom…and I’m a doctor (on the Internet)…and I know that pot is good. It’s no more addicting than coffee” That coffee comment was probably my biggest laugh on this thread. As coffee is incredibly addictive. But you know that because you’re a “doctor.” :slight_smile:

Nice argument N I C E!

This is very much like talking to one of my teenagers (and none of them play doctor on the Internet):

[quote]Metaphor: A figure of speech in which an implicit comparison is made between two
unlike things that actually have something in common.[/quote]

Did you see that word I underlined just for you?

This was used after a poster said “I don’t care what my neighbor does”

The commonality I was pointing out was the question “Do you not care what your neighbor does”…really? Do you understand now? If not leave the site and don’t come back as you are embarrassing yourself.

Not knowing what your neighbor does is not the same thing as “not caring what your neighbor does” You really have to try to keep up POXY.

Well, don’t look now POX but YOU are an old man (screaming on the Internet) who “says” he has a medical background. But you seem to be out numbered by other old men who REALLY do have medical backgrounds. And they are in positions of power who advise other persons who make many of these decisions. And guess what? They mostly all disagree with you! Those old men say that Pot should NOT be decriminalized.

So I can understand your frustration.

Keep banging away at this level, here on T Nation, and I’m sure before too long pot will be legal.

But…just don’t bet on it!

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Boy has this thread come around full circle in dumbness.

I will go ahead and speak for anyone that has ever used, currently does or might in the future. “Yes we would like it decriminalized or fully legalized to avoid the subsequent legal issues from imbibing in this plant”. There now that we’ve gotten that stupid ass hinge point addressed we can leave the argument at what it is.

Now can the other side simply say “Look I realize that the facts about the harms of pot are mostly shaky evidence and false, and I know that we approve way more harmful things into our food supply every single year but pot doesn’t fit into my standard of societal norms so I just don’t want it legal” and drop all of the BS counter points

No solid reasoning has been put forth for its continued prohibition other than “if it is legalized more people will use it”. Literally every other position has been irrelevant, misguided or just false.

So we have one camp that says why should allow more people access to it and harm themselves or others and any correlation to tobacco is just irrelevant

and the other camp that knows that pretending that tobacco (and really alcohol as it is abused beyond 2 or so drinks) is less harmful than marijuana is just factually incorrect and the continued prohibition of it is serial hypocrisy

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
That’s the old “alcohol and cigarettes are bad for you too so why not make one more bad thing legal” argument. It has no legs. I’ve shot that argument down at least 12 times on this thread alone.[/quote]

You’ve only “shot it down” by declaring it a void point of view without adequately explaining why.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

No no no no no, this is not how it works!

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Yes it is.

Sure…

No one wants to make ice cream illegal. It’s a representative republic. And it’s already legal.

See above.

See above.

Already legal. See above.

See above.

See above.

That’s not what I said. I said the majority of people want it to remain illegal and as a representative republic that’s all that matters.

Maybe they are.

I’m not convinced of that. I’ve yet to see any compelling evidence that it has any positive effects like improving short term memory or increasing motivation or something.

That’s a strawman.

[quote]
Again, based on the research I have seen, there are ZERO long term health effects from marijuana use be they positive (which some are btw) or negative.[/quote]

I’ve seen research that suggests otherwise. Anyway, I have no objection to icecream and bungee jumping remaining legal. However, I believe marijuana should remain illegal and even if I didn’t the majority of people do so it is illegal.

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[quote]csulli wrote:
Also, has anyone else noticed throughout this entire thread ZEB seems to fancy himself as a very smart person, and yet he leads, includes, or sometimes only exclusively uses ad hominem in his responses?

If you like talking about correlations, ad hominem is correlated quite notably with ignorance on a topic. Smart people are able to address the issues. Ad hominem is used by people who have run out of ideas and aren’t smart enough to keep up.[/quote]

I totally agree about Zeb , but in his defense that is a standard on this board

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[quote]storey420 wrote:

Boy has this thread come around full circle in dumbness.[/quote]

True, but not for the reasons you think.

Must be true what they say - in addition to inspiring paranoia (i.e., see above, “even the American Cancer Society is part of the conspiracy, man!”), it causes short-term memory loss, as evidenced by your statement.

You want to improve your chances of legalization? Stop pretending like every concern or attack on your precious, precious herb is based on illusion or bad faith. You act like pot - a drug - is as healthy as a turkey sandwich on wheat with a side of fish oil. It ain’t - and doctors (real ones, not internet fake ones) are raising concerns.

No one is going to take you seriously as long as you pretend like there is no valid criticism of a recreational drug. Seriously - your approach actually hurts your goal of legalization because you look like an irrational zealot as opposed to a reasonable advocate.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

You act like pot - a drug - is as healthy as a turkey sandwich on wheat with a side of fish oil. It ain’t - and doctors (real ones, not internet fake ones) are raising concerns.[/quote]

LOL…best laugh I’ve had on this thread since old POX said that weed was no more addictive than coffee…as if coffee is not addictive.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

You act like pot - a drug - is as healthy as a turkey sandwich on wheat with a side of fish oil. It ain’t - and doctors (real ones, not internet fake ones) are raising concerns.[/quote]

LOL…best laugh I’ve had on this thread since old POX said that weed was no more addictive than coffee…as if coffee is not addictive.

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Coffee is very addictive , not sure what the point is :slight_smile: I am glad Herb is not as addictive

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

You act like pot - a drug - is as healthy as a turkey sandwich on wheat with a side of fish oil. It ain’t - and doctors (real ones, not internet fake ones) are raising concerns.[/quote]

LOL…best laugh I’ve had on this thread since old POX said that weed was no more addictive than coffee…as if coffee is not addictive.

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Coffee is very addictive , not sure what the point is :slight_smile: I am glad Herb is not as addictive
[/quote]

That WAS my point, coffee is very addictive.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Also, has anyone else noticed throughout this entire thread ZEB seems to fancy himself as a very smart person, and yet he leads, includes, or sometimes only exclusively uses ad hominem in his responses?

If you like talking about correlations, ad hominem is correlated quite notably with ignorance on a topic. Smart people are able to address the issues. Ad hominem is used by people who have run out of ideas and aren’t smart enough to keep up.[/quote]

I totally agree about Zeb , but in his defense that is a standard on this board [/quote]

Say’s the man who was unable to refute even ONE of my many points.

I guess this must seem like one big ad hominem attack to those who are losing.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

You act like pot - a drug - is as healthy as a turkey sandwich on wheat with a side of fish oil. It ain’t - and doctors (real ones, not internet fake ones) are raising concerns.[/quote]

LOL…best laugh I’ve had on this thread since old POX said that weed was no more addictive than coffee…as if coffee is not addictive.

[/quote]

Coffee is very addictive , not sure what the point is :slight_smile: I am glad Herb is not as addictive
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Holy hell that crap is addictive (coffee). If I go up to about 800 or so mg a day for a couple or so weeks then quit cold turkey I get the worst headaches, can’t think straight, and feel slow and retarded.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

You act like pot - a drug - is as healthy as a turkey sandwich on wheat with a side of fish oil. It ain’t - and doctors (real ones, not internet fake ones) are raising concerns.[/quote]

LOL…best laugh I’ve had on this thread since old POX said that weed was no more addictive than coffee…as if coffee is not addictive.

[/quote]

Coffee is very addictive , not sure what the point is :slight_smile: I am glad Herb is not as addictive
[/quote]

Holy hell that crap is addictive (coffee). If I go up to about 800 or so mg a day for a couple or so weeks then quit cold turkey I get the worst headaches, can’t think straight, and feel slow and retarded. [/quote]

LOL…I keep telling my wife to back off to no more than two cups per day. Same thing happens to her.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

You act like pot - a drug - is as healthy as a turkey sandwich on wheat with a side of fish oil. It ain’t - and doctors (real ones, not internet fake ones) are raising concerns.[/quote]

LOL…best laugh I’ve had on this thread since old POX said that weed was no more addictive than coffee…as if coffee is not addictive.

[/quote]

Coffee is very addictive , not sure what the point is :slight_smile: I am glad Herb is not as addictive
[/quote]

Holy hell that crap is addictive (coffee). If I go up to about 800 or so mg a day for a couple or so weeks then quit cold turkey I get the worst headaches, can’t think straight, and feel slow and retarded. [/quote]

LOL…I keep telling my wife to back off to no more than two cups per day. Same thing happens to her.[/quote]

I’ve had really good luck with Spike. Makes the caffeine last a lot longer and there isn’t a come down when it wears off so I don’t want the same amount to get through the day. It’s basically like a harder hitting, longer acting 5-hour energy.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

You act like pot - a drug - is as healthy as a turkey sandwich on wheat with a side of fish oil. It ain’t - and doctors (real ones, not internet fake ones) are raising concerns.[/quote]

LOL…best laugh I’ve had on this thread since old POX said that weed was no more addictive than coffee…as if coffee is not addictive.

[/quote]

Coffee is very addictive , not sure what the point is :slight_smile: I am glad Herb is not as addictive
[/quote]

Holy hell that crap is addictive (coffee). If I go up to about 800 or so mg a day for a couple or so weeks then quit cold turkey I get the worst headaches, can’t think straight, and feel slow and retarded. [/quote]

LOL…I keep telling my wife to back off to no more than two cups per day. Same thing happens to her.[/quote]

I’ve had really good luck with Spike. Makes the caffeine last a lot longer and there isn’t a come down when it wears off so I don’t want the same amount to get through the day. It’s basically like a harder hitting, longer acting 5-hour energy. [/quote]

So you’ve tried those 5 hour energy drinks? I wonder how much caffeine is in one of those?

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About the same as a cup of coffee. Which is about the same as Spike. Now redline is the crazy one. That stuff just gives me jitters and want to snap a person’s head off for no reason and too agitated to think clearly. Only tried that one twice.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
About the same as a cup of coffee. Which is about the same as Spike. Now redline is the crazy one. That stuff just gives me jitters and want to snap a person’s head off for no reason and too agitated to think clearly. Only tried that one twice. [/quote]

I can relate to that I never drink anything with caffeine. I’d be bouncing off the walls if I even drank one cup of coffee. I’m a naturally “up” sort of guy.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
About the same as a cup of coffee. Which is about the same as Spike. Now redline is the crazy one. That stuff just gives me jitters and want to snap a person’s head off for no reason and too agitated to think clearly. Only tried that one twice. [/quote]

I can relate to that I never drink anything with caffeine. I’d be bouncing off the walls if I even drank one cup of coffee. I’m a naturally “up” sort of guy.[/quote]

I would hate to see you on caffeine , yould be pissing all over yourself :slight_smile:

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

You act like pot - a drug - is as healthy as a turkey sandwich on wheat with a side of fish oil. It ain’t - and doctors (real ones, not internet fake ones) are raising concerns.[/quote]

LOL…best laugh I’ve had on this thread since old POX said that weed was no more addictive than coffee…as if coffee is not addictive.

[/quote]

Coffee is very addictive , not sure what the point is :slight_smile: I am glad Herb is not as addictive
[/quote]

Holy hell that crap is addictive (coffee). If I go up to about 800 or so mg a day for a couple or so weeks then quit cold turkey I get the worst headaches, can’t think straight, and feel slow and retarded. [/quote]

LOL…I keep telling my wife to back off to no more than two cups per day. Same thing happens to her.[/quote]

Two cups is a cup too many.

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A little story about the war on drugs in Ohio, A friend of mine 50 year old lady was in a car accident last year. The accident messed up both her shoulders . she had surgery on one they are trying to rehab the other . She has a script for percodan or some such pain med. Her Doctor by state law has to drug test all people getting this class of drugs . Any how the 50 year old woman test positive for marijuana , now she gets no pain meds. Drug Laws are dictating to health care . Just thought it interesting

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]storey420 wrote:

Boy has this thread come around full circle in dumbness.[/quote]

True, but not for the reasons you think.

Must be true what they say - in addition to inspiring paranoia (i.e., see above, “even the American Cancer Society is part of the conspiracy, man!”), it causes short-term memory loss, as evidenced by your statement.

You want to improve your chances of legalization? Stop pretending like every concern or attack on your precious, precious herb is based on illusion or bad faith. You act like pot - a drug - is as healthy as a turkey sandwich on wheat with a side of fish oil. It ain’t - and doctors (real ones, not internet fake ones) are raising concerns.

No one is going to take you seriously as long as you pretend like there is no valid criticism of a recreational drug. Seriously - your approach actually hurts your goal of legalization because you look like an irrational zealot as opposed to a reasonable advocate.[/quote]

Seriously, what in the fuck are you talking about? I have never taken the position that there is no harm in pot. Of course it can be harmful when abused like a million other things. Of course there are valid criticisms as far as children using, abusing, etc. but really Zeb’s point about the obvious conclusion of legality equaling greater access is really the only for sure criticism. Especially easily to point to harmful effects if it is smoked. I have only gone about refuting weak correlation studies (like the one you touted) and taken the counter argument position to show that yes, there are actually positive health studies that have been conducted on it.