I think alcohol is a special case though, it’s deeply ingrained in western culture.
If it weren’t culturally significant and it had the some sort of niche following marijuana currently has, I highly doubt most would support it’s legalization either.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
The fact is when a substance is legalized (and advertised) more people use it. [/quote]
Good point!! Problem? If it is legal, you will also get many companies finding even healthier ways to get it into the human body than smoking. I am not sure what your problem is unless you also stay awake at night worrying about more people drinking alcohol than the night before.
Why care about that…but blindly allow the majority of the country to be placed on anxiety meds to the points that 60% of the people you likely pass on a given day are on drugs that affect their awareness and decision making?
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With legalization both supply and consumption go up. When a product is more readily available, advertised and less costly consumption has no where to go but up. Please tell me you understand the basics of capitalism (or are you a Brack Obama econ student?) And when consumption of pot goes up, health care costs go up, traffic fatalities go up and social problems (costs) go up.
What else do you think you understand that you really don’t?[/quote]
I understand that the paper and cotton industry are afraid of making hemp legal. It could potentially put them out of business.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
The fact is when a substance is legalized (and advertised) more people use it.
Good point!! Problem? If it is legal, you will also get many companies finding even healthier ways to get it into the human body than smoking. I am not sure what your problem is unless you also stay awake at night worrying about more people drinking alcohol than the night before.[/quote]
Healhier ways to get pot into someone’s body? I see…what a wonderful idea. And if they can get it into their body faster and cheaper we actually have a far bigger problem than what we started with. But you don’t see that do you?
One more time just for you: More people consuming a mind altering drug means more problems in health care costs and traffic accidents and fatalities.
Smiple.
Once again you cannot defend legalizing pot without comparing it to yet other dangerous drugs. It seems to be that if it were a good idea that there would be no need for a comparison to other things that also harm society.
Not even a good try on your part!
Well good for you POX you are showing a modicum of insight regarding supply and demand. Now can you digest the rest of the above statement? Legalization and legitimizing leads to more consumption which leads to more social and legal pain and higher health care costs.
If you dispute this then you are not fully grasping how our economy works.
Sic semper tyrannis.
The only valid argument is the moral and ethical argument.
No one has the right to tell me what I can or cannot ingest.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Sic semper tyrannis.[/quote]
Yeah…we tyrants can’t be trusted…lol
Hey what happened to Ron Paul?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The only valid argument is the moral and ethical argument.
No one has the right to tell me what I can or cannot ingest.[/quote]
Tell that to the parents of a teenager strung out on heroin.
It’s his own fault he just made some bad decisions right? RIGHT?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Healhier ways to get pot into someone’s body? I see…what a wonderful idea. And if they can get it into their body faster and cheaper we actually have a far bigger problem than what we started with. But you don’t see that do you? [/quote]
What problem would that be? Don’t people have the right in this country to make their own decisions? Why would people doing something LESS physically harmful than alcohol cause “bigger problems”? Nearly all of the health problems are associated with SMOKING. if that’s gone, what are you talking about?
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One more time just for you: More people consuming a mind altering drug means more problems in health care costs and traffic accidents and fatalities.
Smiple.[/quote]
? You use “mind altering” like coffee doesn’t “alter your mind”. Prove that direct connection with marijuana and car accidents with ZERO alcohol use.
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Once again you cannot defend legalizing pot without comparing it to yet other dangerous drugs.[/quote]
??
I compared it to XANAX.
Social and legal pain? You mean MORE legal pain than the millions wasted on fighting it? LOL!!! What social pain is involved with some guy smoking a joint? If he smokes 5 joints he will more likely go to sleep after eating all of the Oreos than go for a nice drive.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The only valid argument is the moral and ethical argument.
No one has the right to tell me what I can or cannot ingest.[/quote]
Tell that to the parents of a teenager strung out on heroin.
It’s his own fault he just made some bad decisions right? RIGHT?[/quote]
Uh…didn’t you just complain about comparing it to other drugs?
Heroin is highly addictive. Marijuana is NOT chemically addictive.
I have to go Zebby-poo. I think those other threads linked give all of the insight you need on my stance. Trust me…I have covered it all before since 2004. Go learn something in those threads and come back.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Sic semper tyrannis.[/quote]
Yeah…we tyrants can’t be trusted…lol
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As long as you acknowledge that busybodies are the new tyrants we are in agreement.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The only valid argument is the moral and ethical argument.
No one has the right to tell me what I can or cannot ingest.[/quote]
Tell that to the parents of a teenager strung out on heroin.
It’s his own fault he just made some bad decisions right? RIGHT?[/quote]
I don’t care about bad parents.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:Sic semper tyrannis.[/quote]point lifty stuPIDicus
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:Sic semper tyrannis.[/quote]point lifty stuPIDicus
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If you force your views on people using coercive means you are a tyrant.
If you vote for other people to do it on your behalf you are no better than a tyrant - you are a tyrant enabler.
I guess you can just go pray for forgiveness or whatever it is you do to relieve your conscious.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Healhier ways to get pot into someone’s body? I see…what a wonderful idea. And if they can get it into their body faster and cheaper we actually have a far bigger problem than what we started with. But you don’t see that do you?
What problem would that be? Don’t people have the right in this country to make their own decisions? Why would people doing something LESS physically harmful than alcohol cause “bigger problems”? Nearly all of the health problems are associated with SMOKING. if that’s gone, what are you talking about?
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Regardless of how it is consumed, long term use is unhealthy.
[quote] Prove that direct connection with marijuana and car accidents with ZERO alcohol use.
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Now you’re just being argumentative for the sake of it.
When your perception is effected your driving ability is also effected.
[quote]One study found that about 34 percent of motor vehicle crash victims admitted to a Maryland trauma center tested positive for â??drugs only;â?? about 16 percent tested positive for â??alcohol only.â?? Approximately 9.9 percent (or 1 in 10) tested positive for alcohol and drugs, and within this group, 50 percent were younger than age 18.5 Although it is interesting that more people in this study tested positive for â??drugs onlyâ?? compared with â??alcohol only,â?? it should be noted that this represents one geographic location, so findings cannot be generalized. In fact, the majority of studies among similar populations have found higher prevalence rates of alcohol use compared with drug use.6
Studies conducted in several localities have found that approximately 4 to 14 percent of drivers who sustained injury or died in traffic accidents tested positive for delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active ingredient in marijuana.7
In a large study of almost 3,400 fatally injured drivers from three Australian states (Victoria, New South Wales, and Western Australia) between 1990 and 1999, drugs other than alcohol were present in 26.7 percent of the cases.8 These included cannabis (13.5 percent), opioids (4.9 percent), stimulants (4.1 percent), benzodiazepines (4.1 percent), and other psychotropic drugs (2.7 percent). Almost 10 percent of the cases involved both alcohol and other drugs.
Once again you cannot defend legalizing pot without comparing it to yet other dangerous drugs.
I compared it to XANAX.[/quote]
You’ve made comparisons to prescription drugs, over the counter drugs and alcohol. And you’ve done this because there is no stand alone argument for legalizing pot, other than “I like to get high maaaaaaaan” And that argument isn’t so good.
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Well good for you POX you are showing a modicum of insight regarding supply and demand. Now can you digest the rest of the above statement? Legalization and legitimizing leads to more consumption which leads to more social and legal pain and higher health care costs.
If you dispute this then you are not fully grasping how our economy works.
Social and legal pain? You mean MORE legal pain than the millions wasted on fighting it? LOL!!! [/quote]
Far more legal pain, how does legalizing a drug help society. Just explain that one to me if you are able. And try to do so without mentioning alcohol or prescription drugs.
What social pain can be caused by regularly consuming a mind altering drug? Is this not obvious? I guess you’d have to think beyond that one lone guy going to sleep after overeating.
As a side note I like Oreos let’s not drag them into this debate.
Give it up POX you can’t beat my “more consumption leads to more problems argument.” And the reason is it’s the truth!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Give it up POX you can’t beat my “more consumption leads to more problems argument.” And the reason is it’s the truth![/quote]
LOL.
Zebby…all I have to do is say “prove it”.
I’ll catch you later. It sounds like you have some real learning to do anyway. I would recommend you not confuse “scare tactics and dogma” with “actual proven facts about health”.
Also…if it reducing cancer strains for lung cancer in studies doesn’t relieve some of that stigma, then you know it isn’t based on logic or truth.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have to go Zebby-poo. I think those other threads linked give all of the insight you need on my stance. Trust me…I have covered it all before since 2004. Go learn something in those threads and come back.[/quote]
When you learn that basic economics dictates that the more readily available a product is the more it will be consumed. And in this case that means more pain for society and more costs to us all. Especially if your favorite socialist President wins a second term. Obamacare likes to not only share the wealth of those who have worked hard for it, but also share the pain of everyones health problems. In Obama you have the worst of both worlds.
See how I brought Obama into this argument not once but TWICE!
Nice talking to you POX.
Keep lifting (I didn’t need to tell you that did I?) and don’t be a stranger on the PWI threads.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Na, cant stop here:
Marihuana is responsible for the raping of white women by crazed negroes.? ?Hearst Newspapers Nationwide
?Marihuana influenced negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men?s shadows, and look at a white woman twice.? ?Hearst Newspapers
?Negro entertainers with their jazz and swing music are declared an outgrowth of marihuana use which possesses white women to tap their feet.? ?statements to Congress by Anslinger, FBN
?Marijuana leads to homosexuality, the breakdown of the immune system, and therefore to AIDS.?
– Carlton Turner. White House Drug Czar under Ronald Reagan.
and… finally:
“We felt the effects of herb were so dangerous that it was better to lie to the american public to save them rather than tell them the truth…” - Partnership for a Drug Free America [/quote]
I don’t think most understand this is exactly why marijuana was made illegal to begin with…scare tactics that the “negroes” were getting all the white wimminz.
It’s sad that some still seem to think like that only minus the loud yelling about hush “blackies”.[/quote]
Did you ever step on a white mans shadow?
If so, were you stoned when you did it?
I am utterly fascinated with this whole shadow stepping thing- how utterly fucked up does anyone have to be see this as an insult.
Or maybe this is a race thing- Weed does something with melanin and then stoned black men go shadow hopping?
If so, we could test this with color changing lizards.
Science to the rescue.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:Sic semper tyrannis.[/quote]point lifty stuPIDicus
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LOL…This is your best post for the entire year.