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[quote]rainjack wrote:
I think the article got it wrong. Most americans were against the bailout. I have yet to talk to a single person who thought it was a good idea.
Congress wanted it, and Wall Street wanted it. Regular guys didn’t. [/quote]
Most Americans are against it only because they didn’t want to pay for it, but still did not understand why it will be so damaging.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I think the article got it wrong. Most americans were against the bailout. I have yet to talk to a single person who thought it was a good idea.
Congress wanted it, and Wall Street wanted it. Regular guys didn’t.
Most Americans are against it only because they didn’t want to pay for it, but still did not understand why it will be so damaging.[/quote]
And you did?
A lot of people well versed in business and economics were against it as well. Don’t try and tell me you know more so than them.
EDIT: I may have misunderstood what you were saying.
[quote]tedro wrote:
Mufasa,
You keep saying that you still believe McCain is going to win. Are you in denial, or do you honestly believe this? If so, what do you think he is going to do to turn this thing around and come out on top on Nov. 4th? There is no denying that he is quite a bit behing right now and needs a serious boost.
I’m looking for a good reason to get optimistic again. I’m having a very hard time believing McCain has any chance at all.[/quote]
Yeah, I second this. Really?? I’m generally skeptical of polls but lets be honest: even if you can count a solid 5 pt. skew towards Obama in every single poll, he’ll still lead by 5 points or so. Additionally, he’s mobilized a far greater number of people than others before him. His personality does a lot of heavy lifting, and not all those pulled in by it or by his platform are of the 18-24 crowd that doesn’t like to vote.
I think you’re out of your mind Mufasa. Intelligent, well-rounded, polite, but out of your mind.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
One of the cool things that came out of the bailout was seeing just how many people - when it really matters - ignores what they are being told on the TV, and will vociferously protest to being fucked.
The phone lines to my elected officials in DC were completely jammed, and their email servers were shut down because of all the people registering their disgust at being made to pay for the mistakes of everyone else.
The same thing happened back during the 90’s when Hillary-care was about to be rammed down our throats. The people revolted.
Presidential politics should be participated in with the same vigor, but when you have “shit” and “suck” running against each other, eyes glass over and no one cares.
The key to reigniting the fire of democracy in the masses is to give them candidates that fuel the fire. Not talking partisanship here, but something like what Reagan did back in the 80’s.
Like her, or hate her - I think that is exactly the type of presidential candidate Palin would make. Granted, she has a long way to go before she will be presidential material - but she ignites a fire under people. [/quote]
Say what you want about Obama, but he has done that for the Democratic party. That’s undeniable. There are towns where I live that have been solidly Republican for decades that all of a sudden have 5,000 newly registered Democrats in them because of him. Local Democrat clubs are forming because of him.
He’s actually having an effect on local politics from the national stage. That’s insanely ridiculous.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
One of the cool things that came out of the bailout was seeing just how many people - when it really matters - ignores what they are being told on the TV, and will vociferously protest to being fucked.
The phone lines to my elected officials in DC were completely jammed, and their email servers were shut down because of all the people registering their disgust at being made to pay for the mistakes of everyone else.
The same thing happened back during the 90’s when Hillary-care was about to be rammed down our throats. The people revolted.
Presidential politics should be participated in with the same vigor, but when you have “shit” and “suck” running against each other, eyes glass over and no one cares.
The key to reigniting the fire of democracy in the masses is to give them candidates that fuel the fire. Not talking partisanship here, but something like what Reagan did back in the 80’s.
Like her, or hate her - I think that is exactly the type of presidential candidate Palin would make. Granted, she has a long way to go before she will be presidential material - but she ignites a fire under people.
Say what you want about Obama, but he has done that for the Democratic party. That’s undeniable. There are towns where I live that have been solidly Republican for decades that all of a sudden have 5,000 newly registered Democrats in them because of him. Local Democrat clubs are forming because of him.
He’s actually having an effect on local politics from the national stage. That’s insanely ridiculous. [/quote]
Not here. He is as hated as Clinton was - if not more so.
And by here, I am not talking about my little town. I am talking about most of Texas. But then again, we are pretty much a conservative state. Hell, we are the home of Ron Paul.
NJ has been a blue state since the electoral map has had color.
I really doubt you can take much away from what is going on in Jersey any more than you can from what is going on in Texas.
Ohio, Colorado, Florida - the swing states - is where you should probably look for any real change.
Nothing has changed that much. People are still stupid fucking idiots who know no more about their insurance than how much the co-pay is. People have to feel like they are being raped before they fight back.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
NJ has been a blue state since the electoral map has had color.
I really doubt you can take much away from what is going on in Jersey any more than you can from what is going on in Texas.
Ohio, Colorado, Florida - the swing states - is where you should probably look for any real change.
[/quote]
Not really. NJ has only become a democratic state in the last few years- it started with Clinton. However, before that, the state was a red state, having voted for Nixon, against Carter, for Reagan, and for Bush I. NJ was formerly a swing state for many years.
Don’t confuse “socially liberal” with “economically liberal”. If anything, NJ is a decent example because you have very, very wealthy suburban communities voting solidly Republican while the cities like Newark, Paterson, and Passaic vote solidly Democrat. Kind of like the rest of the country, honestly.
While it is true that the state is very socially liberal, in local politics it is very Republican. However, what I am saying is that town of 14,000 to 60,000 that were formerly ruled only by the GOP for years with absolutely no competition (such as my own) are experiencing a renaissance for local Democratic parties.
Now, you may be right- it probably owes itself at least in partial to NJ’s liberal tendencies (A NJ “conservative” would probably have to run as a communist in Texas), but I still find it amazing nonetheless.
Well. That goes without saying.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
I think the article got it wrong. Most americans were against the bailout. I have yet to talk to a single person who thought it was a good idea.
Congress wanted it, and Wall Street wanted it. Regular guys didn’t. [/quote]
True. Despite the media trying to scare people into going for the bail out people do not like it. Only the banks wanted it.
The lesson learned should have been that the socialist idea of everyone owning a home only works if people don’t have to work for it and the government pays for it.
So we should all be proud that our taxes will go up to pay for homes for people on welfare who don’t ever plan on working. God bless America!
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
So we should all be proud that our taxes will go up to pay for homes for people on welfare who don’t ever plan on working. God bless America!
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Yay America!
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
One of the cool things that came out of the bailout was seeing just how many people - when it really matters - ignores what they are being told on the TV, and will vociferously protest to being fucked.
The phone lines to my elected officials in DC were completely jammed, and their email servers were shut down because of all the people registering their disgust at being made to pay for the mistakes of everyone else.
The same thing happened back during the 90’s when Hillary-care was about to be rammed down our throats. The people revolted.
Presidential politics should be participated in with the same vigor, but when you have “shit” and “suck” running against each other, eyes glass over and no one cares.
The key to reigniting the fire of democracy in the masses is to give them candidates that fuel the fire. Not talking partisanship here, but something like what Reagan did back in the 80’s.
Like her, or hate her - I think that is exactly the type of presidential candidate Palin would make. Granted, she has a long way to go before she will be presidential material - but she ignites a fire under people.
Say what you want about Obama, but he has done that for the Democratic party. That’s undeniable. There are towns where I live that have been solidly Republican for decades that all of a sudden have 5,000 newly registered Democrats in them because of him. Local Democrat clubs are forming because of him.
He’s actually having an effect on local politics from the national stage. That’s insanely ridiculous. [/quote]
I’ll give it to Obama, the man can give you a shit sandwich and not only talk you into eating, but by the time he’s done with you you’ll want another…The dude has the gift of gab, no doubt.
Yeah. McCain’s running in the same party as Bush.
“The Bush administration, having entered office as social conservatives, leaves office as conservative socialists, proprietors of the most sudden large expansion of the state’s role in the US economy since mobilisation for the second world war.”
-Brad DeLong
Then, there’s Iraq. And related to that, the US and NATO losing in Afghanistan. Sort of difficult to justify continued nation building in countries full of people who’d rather execute uncovered women, kill oppossing sects, and chase christians out of their ancient communities.
Especially when our own citizens are facing bailouts, massive debt, and an economy in trouble. I don’t think most people care that McCain supported the surge. They’re a bit more concerned with our own nation. At least I am.
[quote]pat wrote:
I’ll give it to Obama, the man can give you a shit sandwich and not only talk you into eating, but by the time he’s done with you you’ll want another…The dude has the gift of gab, no doubt.[/quote]
That’s exactly what he’s doing.