What it speaks to is an Economy and Country that is still struggling…and yes, an economic hole that Reagan himself would not have been able to turn around.
And once again, the two of us will agree to disagree.
Mufasa
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Yeah he got a little prickly there. I guess I deserved that irrelevant retort. Inaccurate as usual though it was. I know you agree with me here though ZEB. Bush AND his entire presidency continue to be lied about in truly mind boggling fashion. I have had no problem criticizing him either, but the smear campaign on ol GW is sumthin to behold indeed. [/quote]
I want you to call this election right now Tirib. And I want you to call the exact percentage that each candidate will get.
Are you up for it?[/quote]
I don’t even think you’ve bothered to call that specifically. Why ask him then? What do you think percentage wise?[/quote]
I know who is going to win but if I tell you guys then that will take all the fun out of it for you. Sort of like peeking at your gift before Christimas. Now you woldn’t want me to do that would you?
Would you?
[/quote]
Zeb, are you serious?
I want to know what you think is going to happen.
You mentioned the hurricane ruined it for Romney. Do you still believe that?
I will state again that I think, as I have, that Romney will post a decisive win. Over 300 electoral votes, possibly more than 320. I think OH and PA, and certainly FL will go to Romney.
I agree with Cortes…
We will all be able to go to bed at a reasonable hour knowing that Romney will be our next President.
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
What it speaks to is an Economy and Country that is still struggling…and yes, an economic hole that Reagan himself would not have been able to turn around.
And once again, the two of us will agree to disagree.
Mufasa[/quote]
He made the promises about the employment rate. He called Bush’s deficit/debt spending unpatriotic, then beat it in 4 years. He decided to make the widely unpopular Obama-care his legacy achievement. He decided to play crony capitalist with his green friends. He decided to force our religious institutions to surrender their conscience with the HHS mandate. He decided to push the protest story with regards to Benghazi.
[quote]Cortes wrote:<<< You mentioned the hurricane ruined it for Romney. Do you still believe that? >>>[/quote]I talked to a guy today who’s close long time friends with political science professor at a university who told him that the hurricane sealed it for Romney. I disagree, but there it is.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:<<< You mentioned the hurricane ruined it for Romney. Do you still believe that? >>>[/quote]I talked to a guy today who’s close long time friends with political science professor at a university who told him that the hurricane sealed it for Romney. I disagree, but there it is.
[/quote]
How so?
I don’t think it’ll do much other than to serve as a hook to hang blame on once Obama loses.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I will NEVER buy that someone who now hates the President to this degree somehow loved him 4 years ago.
[/quote]
While I will never say that I loved him as a candidate in 2008, “spread the wealth around” really irked me, I did like him, and bought into hope and change like no other. After the Wall Street melt down here is a man promising not to bow to anyone, no lobbyists and bankers in his cabinet, never again to big to fail… I loved what he stood for.
Then I looked at his cabinet…
I look at his donors (Wall St.)…
I see his record daily, I work in business…
I looked at his tax plans, he wants my raise to go to the government…
The “truth team” deal? Ahhh… Asking citizens to rat on each other? hmmmm Seems hitler-esk
You want to know what sealed my hate for the man? “You didn’t build that”… Those four words spoken in the way he did, without an apology for wording it so badly, has brought me to a place were I would rather spit on him than shake his hand.
I watched a client that I spent countless nights sitting awake wondering if I made a math error, wondering if I messed anything up. A simple mistake would have bounced the paychecks of 70 families on any given week, and I was in charge of making sure this man’s cash situation was 100% correct 365 days a year. This man, in his 60’s, gave everything he had for 40+ years to feed 100’s of families, to put presents under Christmas trees. He literally put himself in the poor house to eek out a couple extra pay periods for his men.
I sat next to him in October of 2011, and told him this week was the last week. I watched him cry, cry like a child. He begged me to make people understand he did everything he could, he begged the world to forgive him. He wept.
If the man that is supposed to lead this great nation dares insult him with the wording he used, he not only doesn’t deserve my respect, my vote or my consideration, he doesn’t deserve America.
Obama has disgraced the highest office in the land, he is scum.
But, I can thank him for motivating me to actually read, learn and understand. Because you don’t live through what I’ve lived through, actually get what is going on, and side with someone like him.
So while I didn’t love him, I loved what he said he stood for. He lied and/or failed. But I certainly hate the man. And hate is a strong word.
I was voting for a puppy rather than Obama before “you didn’t build that” based on record. After “you didn’t build that” I hate him, and will vote for a puppy rather than him based on his record.
Can you say “propaganda”
?
CB:
Out of the 44 men whom have held the office of President of the United States; there have been, and there will continue to be, millions of families who can blame their ultimate suffering not just on words taken out of context…but because of the direct actions of the President. That is true whether the President’s name is Washington, Reagan or Obama.
This President (soon to be ex-President?) has made a LOAD of mistakes…but so have the 43 before him, and so will those after him; with some of those future President’s decisions DIRECTLY hurting a family in much more severe ways than misplaced words.
Anyone is free to hate and despise whomever they wish…more power to you.
I just choose to not to.
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
CB:
Out of the 44 men whom have held the office of President of the United States; there have been, and there will continue to be, millions of families who can blame their ultimate suffering not just on words taken out of context…but because of the direct actions of the President. That is true whether the President’s name is Washington, Reagan or Obama.
Mufasa[/quote]
I don’t blame him for this client’s business going under, it was the client’s poor choices that ultimately lead to the closing. It wasn’t the roads or the teachers that caused the business to fail, it wasn’t the taxes or the “little guy”, it was him, the leader, the owner, the man who started it and grew it, making poor choices.
I blame Obama for taking away the last shred of pride my client had.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I will NEVER buy that someone who now hates the President to this degree somehow loved him 4 years ago.
[/quote]
While I will never say that I loved him as a candidate in 2008, “spread the wealth around” really irked me, I did like him, and bought into hope and change like no other. After the Wall Street melt down here is a man promising not to bow to anyone, no lobbyists and bankers in his cabinet, never again to big to fail… I loved what he stood for.
Then I looked at his cabinet…
I look at his donors (Wall St.)…
I see his record daily, I work in business…
I looked at his tax plans, he wants my raise to go to the government…
The “truth team” deal? Ahhh… Asking citizens to rat on each other? hmmmm Seems hitler-esk
You want to know what sealed my hate for the man? “You didn’t build that”… Those four words spoken in the way he did, without an apology for wording it so badly, has brought me to a place were I would rather spit on him than shake his hand.
I watched a client that I spent countless nights sitting awake wondering if I made a math error, wondering if I messed anything up. A simple mistake would have bounced the paychecks of 70 families on any given week, and I was in charge of making sure this man’s cash situation was 100% correct 365 days a year. This man, in his 60’s, gave everything he had for 40+ years to feed 100’s of families, to put presents under Christmas trees. He literally put himself in the poor house to eek out a couple extra pay periods for his men.
I sat next to him in October of 2011, and told him this week was the last week. I watched him cry, cry like a child. He begged me to make people understand he did everything he could, he begged the world to forgive him. He wept.
If the man that is supposed to lead this great nation dares insult him with the wording he used, he not only doesn’t deserve my respect, my vote or my consideration, he doesn’t deserve America.
Obama has disgraced the highest office in the land, he is scum.
But, I can thank him for motivating me to actually read, learn and understand. Because you don’t live through what I’ve lived through, actually get what is going on, and side with someone like him.
So while I didn’t love him, I loved what he said he stood for. He lied and/or failed. But I certainly hate the man. And hate is a strong word.[/quote]
That was a fantastic post, beans. Thanks for sharing that, sincerely.
*edited because I couldn’t manage two simple sentences without making a typo.
CNN poll has it tied at 49%, with Romney leading with independents by 22%. So how could it be tied? By imagining turnout will favor the Dems better than in 2008. Their sample, 41% Dems vs. 29% pubs. D+12 and it’s and it still ends up a tie…
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
What it speaks to is an Economy and Country that is still struggling…and yes, an economic hole that Reagan himself would not have been able to turn around.
And once again, the two of us will agree to disagree.
Mufasa[/quote]
Think before you post that Reagan couldn’t have gotten us out of this economic hole. He took over a total economic mess from Jimmy Carter…read some history.
Don’t think for a second that Reagan would have squandered two years with both houses of congress the same party as his on passing a health care law that no one wanted!
Obama wasted two years following a left wing political agenda INSTEAD of trying to fix the economy.
THAT ticked people off Mufasa. That and a host of other things that he’s said and done.
Basically, over four years we got to know who this stranger was that was elected President unvetted by the corrupt main stream liberal media.
THAT is the reason that there is a lack of excitement about Obama…win or lose tomorrow night.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Yeah he got a little prickly there. I guess I deserved that irrelevant retort. Inaccurate as usual though it was. I know you agree with me here though ZEB. Bush AND his entire presidency continue to be lied about in truly mind boggling fashion. I have had no problem criticizing him either, but the smear campaign on ol GW is sumthin to behold indeed. [/quote]
I want you to call this election right now Tirib. And I want you to call the exact percentage that each candidate will get.
Are you up for it?[/quote]
I don’t even think you’ve bothered to call that specifically. Why ask him then? What do you think percentage wise?[/quote]
I know who is going to win but if I tell you guys then that will take all the fun out of it for you. Sort of like peeking at your gift before Christimas. Now you woldn’t want me to do that would you?
Would you?
[/quote]
Zeb, are you serious?
I want to know what you think is going to happen.
You mentioned the hurricane ruined it for Romney. Do you still believe that?
I will state again that I think, as I have, that Romney will post a decisive win. Over 300 electoral votes, possibly more than 320. I think OH and PA, and certainly FL will go to Romney. [/quote]
For Romney to get even 315 electoral votes he needs to win the following states in addition to what he has “in the bag”
Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Iowa, Colorado, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin.
Basically what you’re saying is that you feel he is going to run the board on Obama. And also steal PA which is a blue state in Presidential elections.
Is that what you’re saying he’s going to do?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
…Carter was looked at as ineffective, but he was never actually hated…
[/quote]
Oh yes he was!
Even in his hometown of Plains, GA he was despised.
[/quote]
Naw Push I don’t remember him being anywhere near as hated as the chosen one. Not even close. Sure there was a lot of discontent but people looked at Carter as a hapless President. Someone who was in over his head. But people always felt that in his heart he was a good man.
Many of Obama’s foes do not feel that way about him
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I will NEVER buy that someone who now hates the President to this degree somehow loved him 4 years ago.
[/quote]
While I will never say that I loved him as a candidate in 2008, “spread the wealth around” really irked me, I did like him, and bought into hope and change like no other. After the Wall Street melt down here is a man promising not to bow to anyone, no lobbyists and bankers in his cabinet, never again to big to fail… I loved what he stood for.
Then I looked at his cabinet…
I look at his donors (Wall St.)…
I see his record daily, I work in business…
I looked at his tax plans, he wants my raise to go to the government…
The “truth team” deal? Ahhh… Asking citizens to rat on each other? hmmmm Seems hitler-esk
You want to know what sealed my hate for the man? “You didn’t build that”… Those four words spoken in the way he did, without an apology for wording it so badly, has brought me to a place were I would rather spit on him than shake his hand.
I watched a client that I spent countless nights sitting awake wondering if I made a math error, wondering if I messed anything up. A simple mistake would have bounced the paychecks of 70 families on any given week, and I was in charge of making sure this man’s cash situation was 100% correct 365 days a year. This man, in his 60’s, gave everything he had for 40+ years to feed 100’s of families, to put presents under Christmas trees. He literally put himself in the poor house to eek out a couple extra pay periods for his men.
I sat next to him in October of 2011, and told him this week was the last week. I watched him cry, cry like a child. He begged me to make people understand he did everything he could, he begged the world to forgive him. He wept.
If the man that is supposed to lead this great nation dares insult him with the wording he used, he not only doesn’t deserve my respect, my vote or my consideration, he doesn’t deserve America.
Obama has disgraced the highest office in the land, he is scum.
But, I can thank him for motivating me to actually read, learn and understand. Because you don’t live through what I’ve lived through, actually get what is going on, and side with someone like him.
So while I didn’t love him, I loved what he said he stood for. He lied and/or failed. But I certainly hate the man. And hate is a strong word.[/quote]
There you go Mufasa. He voted for Obama the first time around and now he says:
You don’t get that sort of hate unless you’ve said and done things to push people away.
Yeah, Obama has earned it.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
CNN poll has it tied at 49%, with Romney leading with independents by 22%. So how could it be tied? By imagining turnout will favor the Dems better than in 2008. They’re sample, 41% Dems vs. 29% pubs. D+12 and it’s, more favorable for the Dems than 2008, and it still ends up a tie…
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/05/cnn-poll-all-tied-at-49/[/quote]
Gee…you think maybe CNN is in the tank for Obama? OMG! Now how could that be? As I said if Rasmussen or Gallup doesn’t say it, then it’s not really a poll. It’s just a bunch of biased guys sitting around calling their friends and making up numbers. One more point on this, pollsters have gone the way of the general news media. Tell me where can you watch, or read unbiased news anymore? Answer: Very, very few places. And pollsters have gone the same way.
Here’s a piece of history that some may or may not know, but I think it’s one of the most relevant pieces of information regarding tomorrow’s Presidential election:
Never before in the history of Presidential politics has any candidate of either party ever captured Ohio unless they’ve also captured the independent vote!