Land of the Free

[SexMachine]

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

Those two things are not even close to similar.

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But you are unable or unwilling to say in what way they differ? There is a law requiring that ‘reverence’ not be broken within this monument. Don’t like the law? Don’t enter the monument. It’s a sacred place. Want to provoke Police officers, break the law, resist arrest and insult the memory of the founding fathers? Do it ANYWHERE other than inside a sacred monument built to honour the memory of Thomas Jefferson. Isn’t that enough freedom for you?
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Sorry but my studies of Jefferson over the years would indicate to me that he would abhor the heavy handed treatment that these badge wearing thugs exhibited.
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1. How could anyone know what a revolutionary era libertarian would think about:

a) The current state of American society?

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Well, I reckon one could read his biography and his writings and draw some logical conclusions. Make sense to you?

and

…I’ve read everything George Orwell ever wrote but I can’t say for certain whether he’d be a socialist or a conservative if he were alive today. And he was still alive after the last world war.

Then you’re ahead of me on that count.

2. Apart from his piss poor technique, what’s wrong with throwing a resisting offender to the floor and placing a choke hold on him?

I repeat, it was unnecessary and unwarranted. “Overreaction” springs to mind.
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This reply smells of cop out. The question 'how was this officer’s behaviour ‘unnecessary and unwarranted’ and why do you describe it as an ‘overreaction?’ comes to mind.

On drawing logical conclusions about Jefferson’s opinions of a world that would be completely alien to him:

Jefferson might consider the enfranchisement of women and minorities and the direct election of Senators to be an abomination. Just saying…logical conclusions you know? He might want to go out and buy some slaves to work his plantation and have some embarrassing and confusing moments being introduced to his President or something. 270-year-old white guy see? Not the same world anymore.

Possibility that he would change his opinions rapidly upon being brought up to date with ‘events’. Might ask ‘WTF have you done with my country?’ and ‘may I die again please?’ Might not agree with you that resisting criminal offenders should be brought to the ground gently and not held in a choke hold. The possibilities are endless.

[espenl]

Note to self: No kissing or dancing while visiting USA.

[Otto_the_Ecto]

[quote]espenl wrote:
Note to self: No kissing or dancing while visiting USA.[/quote]

^ This.

[therajraj]

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Dancing and kissing. Pfffffffffffff

There is something WRONG with the people that stand behind a VIOLENT REACTION to KISSING and DANCING! It’s a memorial site, not someones funeral.

Handcuffs! Throwing a guy on the ground and CHOKING him!

Are you people insane?[/quote]

They questioned the arbitrary rules of their overlords.

They were practically terrorists.

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Didn’t you hear?

Dancing and kissing are a gateway crime to flag burning and public nudity.[/quote]

It’s almost laughable how it’s the non-Americans making most of the noise here.

You guys need to get a life.

Or at least move to a country that others pay attention to.[/quote]

I live 2 hours from the border, have been many times and will be moving there in 6 months (I have permanent residence status).

Troll Harder.

[therajraj]

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
Most cops are nothing more then people who got the shit kicked out of them in highschool and are now on a power trip.
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Now there’s an insightful, sophisticated thought for you.

What are most weightlifters?[/quote]

This is just plain moronic and really sad if you actually believe this.

[Daniel_San]

I guess there’s only one real question left: can American’s still fap? Cause if not, I feel for you. Really…

[orion]

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Dancing and kissing. Pfffffffffffff

There is something WRONG with the people that stand behind a VIOLENT REACTION to KISSING and DANCING! It’s a memorial site, not someones funeral.

Handcuffs! Throwing a guy on the ground and CHOKING him!

Are you people insane?[/quote]

They questioned the arbitrary rules of their overlords.

They were practically terrorists.

[/quote]

Didn’t you hear?

Dancing and kissing are a gateway crime to flag burning and public nudity.[/quote]

It’s almost laughable how it’s the non-Americans making most of the noise here.

You guys need to get a life.

Or at least move to a country that others pay attention to.[/quote]

I live 2 hours from the border, have been many times and will be moving there in 6 months (I have permanent residence status).

Troll Harder.[/quote]

He cant.

Trolling takes skill and creativity.

At least give him an A for effort, consider the limited resources he has to work with.

[SexMachine]

[quote]Chushin wrote:

It’s almost laughable how it’s the non-Americans making most of the noise here.

You guys need to get a life.

Or at least move to a country that others pay attention to.[/quote]

Whilst you guys are notorious for friendly fire accidents and shooting your own men and arresting your own 3-star General because they can’t answer questions about baseball etc, you’ve also developed something of a reputation for aiding materially and with manpower the winning of world wars. We will have need of you again soon. Just don’t shoot us or yourselves too often please.

[Iron_Dwarf]

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
This video was an obvious set-up. The people went there to provoke this response with a camera ready and filming. This is a common tactic of left-wing wasters. This is part of what they do instead of working for a living.
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Left-wing? You’re an ass. I’m left wing (proudly) and I work for a living. ALL my left-wing friends work. You think no right-wingers would disagree with the cops’ actions?

Well, maybe you’re right. They’re all to busy taking the day off of work to attend a teabagger rally.
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I’m right wing (proudly) and I work for a living. All of my right wing friends work. I am a right winger who vehemently disagrees with the cops’ actions.

In regards to tea partiers I would have to think the vast majority of them would feel the way you and I do about this subject.

“Right wing” does not necessarily mean one is for strong, authoritarian, oppressive government. If anything that is left wing-ism.

Jefferson certainly espoused very limited federal government and THAT is completely diametrical of the typical left wing position in today’s society where the federal government is seen as a team of paramedics rushing to every scene as if it were an emergency to fix, mend and doctor all that is perceived to be “wrong”.

I have a feeling, ID, that even though you consider yourself left wing and I right wing that we are much, much closer to being ideological brothers than meets the eye.[/quote]

I agree.

By the way, I’ll be sure to kiss my wife the next time we stand PROUDLY before the monument.

[angus_beef]

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]angus_beef wrote:

I may be able to dance around at a Mc Donalds restaurant but i know of restaurants where if you decide to get up during your entree and bust out the lambada they will simply ask you to sit down or leave. If you decide not to leave then the manager reserve the right to use force.
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The difference is that McDonalds is a private business, the Jefferson Memorial is funded by tax payers.

It’s just like banning smoking in public parks, while I don’t smoke, I don’t think that a tax payer who smokes should not be allowed to enjoy his tax dollars hard at work while enjoying a smoke.

“If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.” - Thomas Jefferson
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The distinction lies within the provision and not the ownership. Yea it’s a private business BUT it’s providing a public service. I could prevent someone from entering my home based on gender, race, religion but if i have a business i no longer reserve the right to do that. However, i could kick them out my establishment if they act a fool and that violates no rights.

And with the smoking issue… what about the tax payers who reserve the right to not be exposed to second hand smoke? … Why can’t they be allowed to enjoy a lung cancer free life?

When you resist arrest “mama said knock you out” - LL Cool J

The guy who got slammed was resisting. Yes his hands were up to simulate surrender but his body was stiff like rigor mortis.

No country is absolutely free otherwise there would be no law. Some people already have preconceived notions about the cops and America. If you honestly believe that this video is an indication that your rights are being violated then by all means fight the power !

I wonder how people in North Korea feel.

[therajraj]

Meh, it was my fault for addressing this troll in the first place.

You got me to respond once, so I will give you 5/10 Chusin.

No more

[orion]

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Dancing and kissing. Pfffffffffffff

There is something WRONG with the people that stand behind a VIOLENT REACTION to KISSING and DANCING! It’s a memorial site, not someones funeral.

Handcuffs! Throwing a guy on the ground and CHOKING him!

Are you people insane?[/quote]

They questioned the arbitrary rules of their overlords.

They were practically terrorists.

[/quote]

Didn’t you hear?

Dancing and kissing are a gateway crime to flag burning and public nudity.[/quote]

It’s almost laughable how it’s the non-Americans making most of the noise here.

You guys need to get a life.

Or at least move to a country that others pay attention to.[/quote]

I live 2 hours from the border, have been many times and will be moving there in 6 months (I have permanent residence status).

Troll Harder.[/quote]

He cant.

Trolling takes skill and creativity.

At least give him an A for effort, consider the limited resources he has to work with.

[/quote]

Wow, what a witty comeback.

Why do you invest so much time and energy into bitching about someone else’s country? [/quote]

Well at least I am obsessed with A SUPERPOWER OMFGDZ !!!11!!!, whereas you are obsessed with just some poor schumcks living in entirely inconsequential countries.

According to your own logic that should be way worse, I should leave you to battle your cognitive dissonance.

Go thank a soldier for your freedom or fondle a flag or something, something OCD might also do the trick.

[orion]

In an entirely unrelated line of thought I seriously ask myself whether “civis romanus sum” was the “USA, USA” of the small endowed Roman citizen.

[SexMachine]

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

It’s almost laughable how it’s the non-Americans making most of the noise here.

You guys need to get a life.

Or at least move to a country that others pay attention to.[/quote]

Whilst you guys are notorious for friendly fire accidents and shooting your own men and arresting your own 3-star General because they can’t answer questions about baseball etc, you’ve also developed something of a reputation for aiding materially and with manpower the winning of world wars. We will have need of you again soon. Just don’t shoot us or yourselves too often please.[/quote]

You, I like.

And your 'roo bars are cool, too.

I just hope you dont’ speak that funny Aussie English.

Shocks me everytime one of my Aussie friends asks me if I “came here to-die.” [/quote]

It shocks me every time my own Prime Minister opens her mouth. You don’t have to live here. You don’t know what it’s like. Most of us still have a ball and chain or shackles attached to our legs. One of our former Prime Ministers(Harold Holt) even tried to escape by swimming to New Zealand and was never heard from again. Those few of us who can read and write, live vicariously through US political internet forum threads. The rest gaze slack-jawed at US sitcoms, drink beer and brawl endlessly over the few remaining women.

[PB_Andy]

[quote]angus_beef wrote:

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]angus_beef wrote:

I may be able to dance around at a Mc Donalds restaurant but i know of restaurants where if you decide to get up during your entree and bust out the lambada they will simply ask you to sit down or leave. If you decide not to leave then the manager reserve the right to use force.
[/quote]

The difference is that McDonalds is a private business, the Jefferson Memorial is funded by tax payers.

It’s just like banning smoking in public parks, while I don’t smoke, I don’t think that a tax payer who smokes should not be allowed to enjoy his tax dollars hard at work while enjoying a smoke.

“If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.” - Thomas Jefferson
[/quote]

The distinction lies within the provision and not the ownership. Yea it’s a private business BUT it’s providing a public service. I could prevent someone from entering my home based on gender, race, religion but if i have a business i no longer reserve the right to do that. However, i could kick them out my establishment if they act a fool and that violates no rights.

And with the smoking issue… what about the tax payers who reserve the right to not be exposed to second hand smoke? … Why can’t they be allowed to enjoy a lung cancer free life?

When you resist arrest “mama said knock you out” - LL Cool J

The guy who got slammed was resisting. Yes his hands were up to simulate surrender but his body was stiff like rigor mortis.

No country is absolutely free otherwise there would be no law. Some people already have preconceived notions about the cops and America. If you honestly believe that this video is an indication that your rights are being violated then by all means fight the power !

I wonder how people in North Korea feel.

[/quote]
Good posts all-around.

I agree with the people who said they should have been arrested, BUT, the force was excessive. That I don’t agree with.

And John S. you are quite ignorant about who cops really are. If you live in a small town, then it may be true that your department is a piece of shit, but on a larger scale, cops are good people who got that job because they want to help others. And this bullshit “became cops because they were bullied in high school”… yeah, um, no. Stop making broad generalizations.