Lance Weighing Admitting to Doping

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
@gregron: Fuck your boy Lance Armstrong. Let’s get down to the REAL issue at hand here.

Are the Niners going to fucking do it this weekend, or what?[/quote]

Oh man I hope so. All depends on which version of Kap shows up.

TBH I’m a little worried cause he’s been wildly inconsistent lately and his lack of accuracy is disturbing.

He is definitely our QB of the future but what we need is the QB of right now.[/quote]

I just hope that wooden-handed fucking piece of shit Delanie Walker stops dropping touchdown passes when they hit him square in his hands. Fuck, him and VD are the shit and all that, but seriously. Is there a pair of tight ends with worse hands in the NFL right now?[/quote]

Hahaha ya they do drop quite a few passes, probably because they’re in shock that Kap actually got it to them lol.

I just really hope that SF actually runs the read option more consistently with Kap and James. That could be such a killer combo.

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[quote]spk wrote:
gregron… go play some flag football… you know nothing about cycling and this topic…nothing about the true lifestyle of a cyclist…nothing at all…wonder why all his teammates passed these doping tests, but then when they all heard jail time, they finally admitted to taking drugs…they passed all their tests, but then finally admitted taking drugs…these tests are so ez to pass…i guess non cyclists just go by what they read in the paper and news. i was there, watching these guys dope. i seen guys i was killing blast by me on a cobbled climb… in the big chainring!! guys i was beating 6 months earlier…read paul kimmages book “a rough ride”… look up “doping in cycling” on wikipedia. every cyclist that ever raced has been caught… not lance though…lol!! you’ll see when this cheat finally admits it…then his name will be on the list with 1000000 other cyclists…i love the sport. its so so frickin hard… and the years i spent over in belgium i wouldnt trade in for nothing… hanging on at break neck speeds. hours of suffering.finishing every race…never won, but being clean, i did very well. always @ the same time as the winner, or a few minutes back in 100+ mile races…[/quote]

Oh yes, only if you would have doped you would have won the Tour seven times instead of Lance.

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[quote]spk wrote:
wonder what all these clowns posting in on this topic will say whenever the cheat lance armstrong finally admits he did take a ton of enhancing drugs his whole career…[/quote]

Same thing I said when my roommate admitted to cheating in order to stay in school/not lose his scholarships…he did it to stay in the game. He admitted to cheating even though he was probably the most upstanding student I’d ever seen, wouldn’t even ask classmates to help him with homework when teachers forbade collaboration.

Maybe in Belgium their officials don’t ruin innocent peoples’ lives, but I’ve seen it enough to know that sometimes officials are in it for a witch hunt rather than justice. Elliot Spitzer did it to plenty of people back when he was New York’s AG.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

I am not a fan of the way our current society seems to see the act of striving for physical enhancement and performance.

In the short term, it makes self righteous lesser accomplished people feel better about their own mediocrity. In the long term, it decreases the advancement of human performance and development on a grand scale.[/quote]

Reading between the lines are you advocating no drug testing in all sports?[/quote]

I am advocating not letting soccer moms and elderly politicians dictate the way humanity progresses and develops into the future.

This isn’t just about sports. This is about how all of this denial of advancement will hold the entire human race back in the long run.

The problem is people ONLY thinking as far as sports.[/quote]

The society you dream of is a long held fascination of science fiction authors.

Augmentation will come in the future, however it has dark paths.

If research into muscle enhancement were to occur, the armies of the world would pump vast funds into the endeavour to create super soldiers, what then?

Illegal narcotics that enhance your strength, speed and the like?

It might be seen as science fiction but 100 years ago they dreamt of the moon as a place for science fiction dreams, we’re now aiming to colonise it and then go to Mars. Things change.[/quote]

Illegal narcotics are already being used in warfare. [/quote]

Exactly. Those red pills that pilots take on missions sure as hell aren’t candy mints.

The gen public is clueless to what really goes on if that post is a hint.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

I am not a fan of the way our current society seems to see the act of striving for physical enhancement and performance.

In the short term, it makes self righteous lesser accomplished people feel better about their own mediocrity. In the long term, it decreases the advancement of human performance and development on a grand scale.[/quote]

Reading between the lines are you advocating no drug testing in all sports?[/quote]

I am advocating not letting soccer moms and elderly politicians dictate the way humanity progresses and develops into the future.

This isn’t just about sports. This is about how all of this denial of advancement will hold the entire human race back in the long run.

The problem is people ONLY thinking as far as sports.[/quote]

The society you dream of is a long held fascination of science fiction authors.

Augmentation will come in the future, however it has dark paths.

If research into muscle enhancement were to occur, the armies of the world would pump vast funds into the endeavour to create super soldiers, what then?

Illegal narcotics that enhance your strength, speed and the like?

It might be seen as science fiction but 100 years ago they dreamt of the moon as a place for science fiction dreams, we’re now aiming to colonise it and then go to Mars. Things change.[/quote]

Illegal narcotics are already being used in warfare. [/quote]

Exactly. Those red pills that pilots take on missions sure as hell aren’t candy mints.

The gen public is clueless to what really goes on if that post is a hint.[/quote]

If warfare and sports had any similarities at all this might be a relevant point. Fortunately, sports aren’t life and death (to most people anyways) and therefore shouldn’t be held to the same standard as warfare.

Do you REALLY think that since giving fighter pilots some amphetamines to enhance their ability to protect our country this justifies athletes doping themselves up with any and all PEDs they can get their hands on?

Give me a fucking break Professor. You’re too smart a guy to buy into that sort of bullshit. What is really going on here is that you’ve got a hard-on for PEDs and you are angry that other people stigmatize them. So fucking what if people stigmatize them? Are you THAT emotionally invested in what others think of you that you need to try and distort everything about PEDs into some “this is indicative of the dark place the world is coming to” argument. It’s ugly.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]spk wrote:
wonder what all these clowns posting in on this topic will say whenever the cheat lance armstrong finally admits he did take a ton of enhancing drugs his whole career…[/quote]

Same thing I said when my roommate admitted to cheating in order to stay in school/not lose his scholarships…he did it to stay in the game.[/quote]

then you’re friend is a piece of shit.

if he had to cheat he is either too lazy or dumb or both and doesn’t deserve it.

simple.

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[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]spk wrote:
wonder what all these clowns posting in on this topic will say whenever the cheat lance armstrong finally admits he did take a ton of enhancing drugs his whole career…[/quote]

Same thing I said when my roommate admitted to cheating in order to stay in school/not lose his scholarships…he did it to stay in the game.[/quote]

then you’re friend is a piece of shit.

if he had to cheat he is either too lazy or dumb or both and doesn’t deserve it.

simple.
[/quote]

Usually losers complain the loudest about cheating.

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I think one thing that needs to be cleared up a bit is that this case against LA seems like a witch hunt on this side of the pond mostly because he’s the only cyclist most of us can name. The list of American riders who have been popped for doping is really quite long; Hamilton, Leipheimer, Landis to name a few. It’s just that the general public has no idea who they are so they don’t make headlines here. He has not been singled out. He’s just one of a long, long list of pro bike riders who’ve been caught. He’s just got further to fall because of his accomplishments.

The primary methods of cheating by LA were reportedly EPO and blood transfusions and the biggest effect of that type of cheating was an increase in hematocrit. The UCI set the hematocrit upper limit at 50%, but that levels leaves tons of room for improvement when lots of peoples natural levels are 40-45%. So as long as the team doctor was careful the riders could stay under that mark when it mattered.

As to his motivations for admitting to doping I think that he has two main ones. First, he wants to compete in tri’s and he’s currently unable to do so. By admitting to doping he may get a suspension and then be able to resume his career. Second, I hear that Livestrong has taken a huge hit and that he may be getting a lot of pressure to take responsibility so that the foundation can continue to do well.

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[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]spk wrote:
wonder what all these clowns posting in on this topic will say whenever the cheat lance armstrong finally admits he did take a ton of enhancing drugs his whole career…[/quote]

Same thing I said when my roommate admitted to cheating in order to stay in school/not lose his scholarships…he did it to stay in the game.[/quote]

then you’re friend is a piece of shit.

if he had to cheat he is either too lazy or dumb or both and doesn’t deserve it.

simple.
[/quote]

You do realize that my roommate didn’t actually cheat…he admitted to cheating so he wouldn’t be kicked out and lose his scholarships? They had compiled “evidence” against him, determined he cheated and that if he wished to stay in school and keep his scholarships he would have to admit he cheated…so he did admit to it, though he didn’t actually cheat.

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To those saying he never tested positive:

There was no test for EPO back in 1999. In 2005, when a test for EPO was finally developed, Lance’s 1999 samples were tested for EPO and they tested, quote, “flaming positive.” Have a listen:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57562781/armstrong-allegedly-offered-large-donation-to-doping-agency/

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[quote]Damici wrote:
To those saying he never tested positive:

There was no test for EPO back in 1999. In 2005, when a test for EPO was finally developed, Lance’s 1999 samples were tested for EPO and they tested, quote, “flaming positive.” Have a listen:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57562781/armstrong-allegedly-offered-large-donation-to-doping-agency/
[/quote]

HE LIVES!!!

Goddamn, son! How you been?

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]Damici wrote:
To those saying he never tested positive:

There was no test for EPO back in 1999. In 2005, when a test for EPO was finally developed, Lance’s 1999 samples were tested for EPO and they tested, quote, “flaming positive.” Have a listen:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57562781/armstrong-allegedly-offered-large-donation-to-doping-agency/
[/quote]

HE LIVES!!!

Goddamn, son! How you been?[/quote]

Hey there. :slight_smile: Doin’ alright. Just haven’t been too active here lately.

You?

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[quote]dcb wrote:

As to his motivations for admitting to doping I think that he has two main ones. First, he wants to compete in tri’s and he’s currently unable to do so. By admitting to doping he may get a suspension and then be able to resume his career. Second, I hear that Livestrong has taken a huge hit and that he may be getting a lot of pressure to take responsibility so that the foundation can continue to do well. [/quote]

Unless he says that the above reasons are why he is admitting to being the biggest doper in the biggest doping sport in the world his admission means nothing. It rings hollow at best if he admits to a mistake for personal gain. I would actually respect him a little bit if he came out and said “yeah, so what? I fucking doped for years and I’m not sorry at all that I did it. I don’t care about the poor example I set for children who admired me, nor do I give a shit about what any of you think about me. I’m just admitting to it so I can start competing in triathlons and rejuvenate the charity that I’m probably skimming off the top of and also using to pay myself and my wife or whatever an exorbitant salary for being in charge of even though neither of us do shit to earn that salary.”

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
the biggest doper in the biggest doping sport in the world[/quote]

Yup. Even amateurs are getting into the act now: Two amateurs test positive for EPO at Gran Fondo New York - BikeRadar
And this wasn’t even a race!

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[quote]dcb wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
the biggest doper in the biggest doping sport in the world[/quote]

Yup. Even amateurs are getting into the act now: Two amateurs test positive for EPO at Gran Fondo New York - BikeRadar
And this wasn’t even a race!

[/quote]

What the fuck are they drug testing amateurs for in the first place? I was drug tested as an amateur baseball player, but that’s because I was on scholarship at a DI. The NCAA, I guess, has the right to test its athletes if the school is the one paying for them to play there, but this is different.

Oh wait, never mind. I missed the part about there being more than 100K in prize money in this race. I guess that makes it different, more like the NCAA than your friendly neighbor bike race.

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Looking forward to the interview with Oprah…

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with his ego so big, i cant see lance admitting to taking drugs… hope i’m wrong and he mans up and tells the truth…just that he lied a million times to everyone… how will he admit to cheating with that huge ego of his i just dont know…hope oprah asks him direct questions… did you dope? then i hope he gives a yes or no answer, not a politians answer.

5 paragraphs long that didnt even come close to the answer. then i hope oprah says, what the fuck kinda answer was that lance. its a yes or no answer… then she asks him again. did you dope? its probably being staged right now. he knows what shes asking, she knows his replies…

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am more worried that anyone gives a shit enough to strip him of a title.

I am not a fan of the way our current society seems to see the act of striving for physical enhancement and performance.

In the short term, it makes self righteous lesser accomplished people feel better about their own mediocrity. In the long term, it decreases the advancement of human performance and development on a grand scale.[/quote]

Why wouldn’t people “give a shit”? He cheated. He got caught. He pays the consequenses.

Frankly, I’m more concerned about people like you who don’t seem to value things like honesty and fair play.[/quote]

Except theres no such thing.

Even if we lived in a fantasy land where you could actually have effective testing (you won’t, ever, A) theres too much corruption and B) the athletes are always 5 steps ahead of the testing procedures, test comes out, switch to new drug) and nobody used anything, do you really believe this would produce a even playing field?

It would not.

One athlete would have a genetic advantage over another athlete.

And call me crazy but being born with an advantage just by being lucky enough to have parents with ideal genetics for your endeavor seems less fair than someone who had to use drugs and work hard just to hope to be at the same level.[/quote]
Sure there is (such thing). Just not so much in pro sports.
If you don’t like the rules (and I’m not a particular fan of them myself) then petition to get them changed, or pick a different sport. If you break the rules, then you are a cheat.

As for your last statement on genetics: that’s life and it isn’t supposed to be fair despite what your parents told you. Not all people are born equal. There are no rules against having good genetics.[/quote]

Last statement was a commentary on you holding up the ideal of “fair play”. How is using drugs unfair play if a genetic advantage isnt??

And yes if you break the rules you are a cheater by definition. But morally its a moot point when literally EVERYONE is doing it at that level.

Actually by allowing the use of PEDs you create a more level playing field than you ever would’ve by trying to hopelessly pursue anti-doping measures.[/quote]

You don’t choose your genetics, and there is no rule against having good ones.

Morally, cheating is still cheating regardless of who else is doing it. “Everyone is doing it” has never been considered a valid excuse.

I would support the idea of a sport (especially cycling) allowing PEDs for everyone. An argument can even be made that it would be better (healthier) for the cyclists since they aid with recovery in an extremely demanding event. However, until they are allowed, taking them is still cheating. Of course that could lead to a slippery slope if/when athletes start taking more and more.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Why do tax dollars need to be spent on “convicting” an athlete who used drugs in a foreign competition (a competition which didn’t find him a cheater)? Our tax dollars need to be spent to keep the TDF drug free (or at least keep Americans who compete in it drug free)? If the TDF has a drug problem it is their problem to fix. I don’t think we should be paying for it.

So they “got” Lance, now what? The TDF is not affected one way or another. The USADA hasn’t cleaned up a sport, it just crucified an American who competed in that sport ironically, in the name of cleaning up that sport. Hooray! Now millions of drug free American cyclists are free to compete in the TDF, on a level playing field…against doping athletes from other nations. And we paid for it. So what did the USADA really accomplish?

[/quote]
Actually, other countries test their riders too (contrary to popular belief around here, the USA isn’t unique in this regard). The USADA is merely doing their part to clean up their country’s riders. American riders are not, nor will be, any more clean than any others.

Whether the compeition took place in the USA is irrelevant.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:
I would support the idea of a sport (especially cycling) allowing PEDs for everyone. An argument can even be made that it would be better (healthier) for the cyclists since they aid with recovery in an extremely demanding event. However, until they are allowed, taking them is still cheating. Of course that could lead to a slippery slope if/when athletes start taking more and more.[/quote]

Let’s face it, these shithole dummies would take all PEDs they could. I personally couldn’t give shit if someone wants to kill themselves in their 20’s riding a bike, but the general public probably wouldn’t like it.