Ironically there is a commercial on the radio right now for a testosterone boosting supplement called “Eternal Male.” lol
“Low-T” commercials are running all the time now. T-replacement will be normalized soon because the drug companies decided they want to make money off it.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
“Low-T” commercials are running all the time now. T-replacement will be normalized soon because the drug companies decided they want to make money off it. [/quote]
I disagree. You see random commercials for it…but it will be YEARS before enough people in society stop demonizing “steroids” and relating them to fights and murder and cheating alone.
Lance survived and became a superhero. Gee, complaining about cheating seems to be missing the forest for the trees.
The average person still sees “one testosterone injection” as more dangerous than getting drunk.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
??? Do you realize that “low” is even being debated now? The issue is, LOW (as determined without regard to QUALITY OF LIFE) is not how you should be prescribed testosterone.[/quote]
That’s a huge part of the problem right there. You could practically have the test levels of a dying 90 year old and still fall into the “normal range”. The bar doctors have set for low testosterone is ridiculously low.[/quote]
Exactly.
Typical “normal” levels range from 260-1080 ng/dl. That is a HUGE difference in what is considered in the “normal” range.[/quote]
Part of this is the result of testosterone being treated as if it were a narcotic, so doctors are afraid to call legitimate anything beyond what are often extreme cases for fear of being prosecuted. Another thing to keep in mind is that many doctors remain undereducated as to how to treat cases of low test in men because, again, the stigma attached to the drug has resulted in a dearth of research in these cases.
It’s unreal.
Meanwhile, the media will wholly ignore the fact mentioned earlier: That Lance Armstrong came back from a cancer that is often viewed as an automatic death sentence to perform a feat that no human in the history of sports has ever done, in a pool of competitors who were also using massive amounts of those evil PEDs, not killing their families, and performing their own achievements, most of which the average HEALTHY person without those drugs could never hope to achieve with a lifetime of trying. [/quote]
Good post…so why are so many here only focused on “cheating” when they should be the exact audience to understand quality of life over “quantity”.
^^I think people focus on the cheating aspect because Lance wasn’t just using TRT doses AND because he was so adamant about denying PED’s use while suing anyone who claimed otherwise.
I’m not too sure about the prospect of normalizing TRT soon but I could definitely see it happening because of how much $$$ there is to be made by the Big Pharma/insurance companies. $$$ talks so I could see it happening but who knows. It would definitely be a good thing IMO and could help out a lot of people.
EDIT: also, I think that most people don’t know much about TRT and only see the sensationalized media stories and by into the demonized hype.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The average person still sees “one testosterone injection” as more dangerous than getting drunk.[/quote]
I would argue you can get drunk 2 weeks in a row without super serious longterm effects but if you inject yourself everyday with a one week cycle dose for 2 weeks it will mess you quite a bit.
Or if you get drunk every friday for a year vs inject yourself for a year you will also have more side-effects when stopping usage.
Anyway I hope you can clarify your point more.
[quote]NikH wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The average person still sees “one testosterone injection” as more dangerous than getting drunk.[/quote]
I would argue you can get drunk 2 weeks in a row without super serious longterm effects but if you inject yourself everyday with a one week cycle dose for 2 weeks it will mess you quite a bit.
Anyway I hope you can clarify your point more.[/quote]
No offense but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
[quote]NikH wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The average person still sees “one testosterone injection” as more dangerous than getting drunk.[/quote]
I would argue you can get drunk 2 weeks in a row without super serious longterm effects but if you inject yourself everyday with a one week cycle dose for 2 weeks it will mess you quite a bit.
Anyway I hope you can clarify your point more.[/quote]
My point was already made. You tried to add in more qualifications.
Your liver can repair itself. Do you understand that this works for alcohol AND drugs depending on dose and severity?
I would also like some explanation of what “mess you up quite a bit” means.
Sure explain me why it’s healthier to inject yourself with 500mg test everyday for 2 weeks vs drinking 10 beers a day for 2weeks ?
I assume we dont take into account the purity of test, hygiene - using new needles etc. Since just sharing needels is lolz while sharing beers doesnt matter.
If you are saying ‘onetime’-only. Then you might argue taking cocaine/amphetamine is healthier than getting drunk.
[quote]NikH wrote:
If you are saying ‘onetime’-only. Then you might argue taking cocaine/amphetamine is healthier than getting drunk.[/quote]
? Both of those drugs can kill you with one application. What are you talking about?
Are you saying that you can have a heart attack from ONE testosterone injection barring embolism?
You are arguing ABUSE. That makes no sense when we are discussing treatment under medical care.
Why is the debate against what I wrote so weak?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would also like some explanation of what “mess you up quite a bit” means.[/quote]
[quote]NikH wrote:
Sure explain me why it’s healthier to…[/quote]
Nice explanation.
LOL @ being asked to explain something, answering with “sure” and then completely skipping an explanation and asking more questions.
Relax buddy, dont raise your cortisol levels. Well yes they can kill, so can uncontrolled T-injections. But the same way cocaine can be give in medical as anesthetic and vasoconstricting agent, and amphetamine has many applications, aswell. This argument only prolongs since I have apparently attention problems and didnt see you were talking about medical usage. Maybe I should take some adderall…
[quote]NikH wrote:
Relax buddy, dont raise your cortisol levels. Well yes they can kill, so can uncontrolled T-injections. But the same way cocaine can be give in medical as anesthetic and vasoconstricting agent, and amphetamine has many applications, aswell. This argument only prolongs since I have apparently attention problems and didnt see you were talking about medical usage. Maybe I should take some adderall…[/quote]
Hey, as long as we are clear you had no clue what you were speaking of.
This is like marijuana. You would have to smoke like 45lbs of weed in less than one hour to die from it.
Arguing some guy dosing 500mg a day is ridiculous. Who the fuck is doing this without KNOWING they are at risk?
It’s ‘weighing to admit to doping’ admitting your doping?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]NikH wrote:
Relax buddy, dont raise your cortisol levels. Well yes they can kill, so can uncontrolled T-injections. But the same way cocaine can be give in medical as anesthetic and vasoconstricting agent, and amphetamine has many applications, aswell. This argument only prolongs since I have apparently attention problems and didnt see you were talking about medical usage. Maybe I should take some adderall…[/quote]
Hey, as long as we are clear you had no clue what you were speaking of.
This is like marijuana. You would have to smoke like 45lbs of weed in less than one hour to die from it.
Arguing some guy dosing 500mg a day is ridiculous. Who the fuck is doing this without KNOWING they are at risk?[/quote]
This guys makes an ass of himself on every page I see him posting in. 500mg/day for two weeks is not a typical “cycle” dose. It’s what is typically viewed as an outrageously (and wholly unnecessarily) high dosage of testosterone. I have actually never even personally known anyone to use more than 3g a week of test, and trust me, I have some friends who hang out way over on the right side of the Bell Curve.
I also notice he still has not answered in what way this person who is taking a dosage of test that almost no one takes is going to become “messed up.” Please, what are the medical issues that could arise? Do tell.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]NikH wrote:
Relax buddy, dont raise your cortisol levels. Well yes they can kill, so can uncontrolled T-injections. But the same way cocaine can be give in medical as anesthetic and vasoconstricting agent, and amphetamine has many applications, aswell. This argument only prolongs since I have apparently attention problems and didnt see you were talking about medical usage. Maybe I should take some adderall…[/quote]
Hey, as long as we are clear you had no clue what you were speaking of.
This is like marijuana. You would have to smoke like 45lbs of weed in less than one hour to die from it.
Arguing some guy dosing 500mg a day is ridiculous. Who the fuck is doing this without KNOWING they are at risk?[/quote]
This guys makes an ass of himself on every page I see him posting in. 500mg/day for two weeks is not a typical “cycle” dose. It’s what is typically viewed as an outrageously (and wholly unnecessarily) high dosage of testosterone. I have actually never even personally known anyone to use more than 3g a week of test, and trust me, I have some friends who hang out way over on the right side of the Bell Curve.
I also notice he still has not answered in what way this person who is taking a dosage of test that almost no one takes is going to become “messed up.” Please, what are the medical issues that could arise? Do tell. [/quote]
Omg. Exactly it’s not a typical cycle dose. Did I ever say it was? He was saying taking one injection is less harmful than getting drunk. And my point was getting drunk 14days in a row is less harmful than injectin 14times.
And saying another guy is an “ass” tells quite much of you as a human being. Hardly telling you how to read statistics is making an ass out of myself.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]NikH wrote:
Relax buddy, dont raise your cortisol levels. Well yes they can kill, so can uncontrolled T-injections. But the same way cocaine can be give in medical as anesthetic and vasoconstricting agent, and amphetamine has many applications, aswell. This argument only prolongs since I have apparently attention problems and didnt see you were talking about medical usage. Maybe I should take some adderall…[/quote]
Hey, as long as we are clear you had no clue what you were speaking of.
This is like marijuana. You would have to smoke like 45lbs of weed in less than one hour to die from it.
Arguing some guy dosing 500mg a day is ridiculous. Who the fuck is doing this without KNOWING they are at risk?[/quote]
Actually, since the estimated ratio of a dose that actually does something to the dose that kills you is about 1:15000 you would need to smoke 7,5 kgs in one hour or less if half a gramm is supposed to be an efficient dose, that would be 16,5 American lbs.
Yes, I am pedantic as fuck right now.
and if you would smoke it as joints you would probably get serious carbonmonoxide poisoning way before you reach 7.5kg.