Labs, Serious Symptoms, Looking for Advice

Hey everybody! I’ll start this with the new member stuff, and then tell a short story and dig into some details…

age: 29
height: 6’0
waist: 31
weight: 165
describe body and facial hair: medium levels of facial hair, very little chest hair
-describe where you carry fat and how changed: Historically very low body fat, recently started gaining on breasts and buttocks.
-Rx and OTC drugs: Took a multi with saw palmetto for 6 months (more later)
-describe diet: Always eaten a normal to healthy diet, recently stopped eating carbs for breakfast/lunch.
-describe training: former competitive short-distance runner, now 10 miles/week and 3 days/week lifting.
-testes ache, ever, with a fever? nope
-how have morning wood and nocturnal erections changed: Previously had semi-regular morning wood, now never (occasional nocturnal)

Story:

For years I suspected I had a mild thyroid issue. I routinely suffered from fatigue, difficultly staying warm, and my TSH was always between 3.5 and 5 at two physicals (in 2008 and 2010). Additionally, Every living member of my mom’s side of the family has some thyroid problems. I was told nothing was wrong with my thyroid because my TSH was not high enough.

Three years ago I started to develop mild ED and noticed a change in libido, but did nothing about it. The most noticeable symptom was a reduction in sensitivity–orgasms became more difficult to achieve (I didn’t mind that this seemed to solve another common issue…). Oddly, I also noticed a ‘hypersensitivity’ in the region which made some clothing uncomfortable. I was also out of shape for the first time in my life.

Approximately two years ago I had a sudden onset of a plurality of symptoms:
–severe brain fog/extremely difficult concentrating
–sensitivity to bright lights
–vision issues (felt like uncomfortable outdoors, trouble driving at night)
–difficult with speech (couldn’t talk fast, or softly)
–short term memory problems
–anxiety
–intolerance for alcohol (one drink and I was about drunk).
–severe, localized headaches that came and went
–swings between feeling too hot (sweating in a cold room) and too cold (freezing under 3 blankets).
–muscle spasms

I went to the doctor (see 2012 labs), but no cause found. I suspected my thyroid, but my TSH was 1.5 in the afternoon. Brain MRI/EEG/neurologist were inconclusive. Symptoms slowly improved over 2-3 months, but never fully (only the headaches and anxiety fully resolved). No sexual symptoms that I recall, but still suffered from ED, difficult orgasms, and hyper sensitivity.

One year ago the sexual symptoms got noticeably worse over the course of a few weeks. Mostly a noticeable reduction in penile sensitivity (and no more hypersensitivity), but also noticed a reduction in rectal sensation. This was scary, make no mistake. I had pulled my lower back 2 weeks prior and was also dealing with some coccyx pain. I was concerned about a connection, went to the ER, lower spine MRI showed bulged L5S1 disc (hence the back pain), but absolutely not enough to cause the ‘numbness.’ I went to my doctor for a physical (2013 labs #1) and asked to ‘test t3 and t4.’ Over the next 6 months the symptoms slowly worsened. Intercourse became impossible due to insufficient sensation. I also had transient prostate pain, testicular pain (testicular ultrasound revealed no problems except some low bloodflow), and reduced testicle size. Urologist send me to a neurologist. Neurologist did EMG which was negative for nerve problems. He also tested some hormones (2013 labs #2), but nothing seemed off.

Finally, in an exhaustive effort to figure out what was going on, I realized that I noticed my ‘symptoms’ worsened over the summer after I changed multivitamins to one which included saw palmetto extract. I then found that this can cause similar problems in some men. It wasn’t the cause, I don’t think, since the symptoms had noticeable worsened a few months prior, but I immediately stopped taking the multi (November '13) and noticed some improvements for the first time, ever. Additionally, I had started to gain some fat around my pecks and midsection, which was very odd for me because I have almost just about no fat anywhere else. In fact, it was After taking it that I started to develop problems sleeping (insomnia and waking up multiple times) and tinnitus. The improvements did not last, and since then I’ve had only a slow worsening of the sexual symptoms. Also, oddly, I used to be able to take melatonin to help me sleep, but I absolutely cannot touch the stuff now if I want to stay asleep for more than 30 minutes.

I immediately sought out an endocrinologist who did a series of labs (2014 labs) and then dismissed me saying ‘there’s nothing wrong, it sounds neurological or maybe it’s in your head.’ I was upset, but I don’t think I gave him a complete enough understanding of the problems. Before I go running to a new doctor, I’m wondering if there is a specific direction that I should be looking in.

The only other data points I have: First, as an experiment, I tried taking 25mg DHEA each morning to see if anything changed in response that might indicate this was related to my hormones. On day 2 I had noticeable improvements in the ability to have an erection, but on day 4 that was gone the ‘numbness’ had noticeable worsened. I stopped taking it immediately. And, finally, I notice some transient (12-24h) worsening of symptoms after exercise.

[2010 labs - morning]
TSH 3.91 uIU/ml (0.34-5.60)
Cholesterol 142 mg/dl(<200)
HDL 47 mg/dl (>47)
LDL 83 mg/dl (no range)
Triglycerides 62 mg/dl (<150)
and a lot of stuff that looks normal

[2012 labs - afternoon]
TSH 1.43 (0.4-4.50 uIU/ml)

[2013 labs #1 - afternoon]
TSH 3.46 (0.4-4.50 uIU/ml)
T3, total 73 ng/dL (76-181)
T4, total 7.5 mcg/dL (4.5-12.0)
AST 113 U/L (10-40)

[2013 labs #2 - morning]
Cortisol 9.5 ug/dL (no range)
Testosterone 657 ng/dL (300-1000)
Prolactin 5.2 ng/mL(3.0-14.7)

[2014 labs-morning]
Vitamin D 27 (30-100 ng/mL)
TSH 2.6 (0.4-4.5 mIU/L)
Thyroid peroxidase antibodies <10 IU/mL (<35)
Estradiol Ultrasensitive 26 pg/ml (<29)
SHBG 39 nmol/L (10-50)
Albumin 4.4 g/dL (3.6-5.1)
Testosterone 545 ng/dL (250-1100)
T, bioavailable 131 ng/dL (110-575)
T, free 65.1 pg/mL (46.0-224.0)
DHT 48 ng/dL (16-79)
DHT, free 4.82 pg/mL (1.00-6.2)
FSH 4.4 mIU/mL (1.6-8.0)
LH 4.2 mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)
Prolactin 4.5 ng/mL (2.0-18.0)
Hematocrit 41.6% (38.5-50.0)

I also did a followup testosterone test a week later:
SHBG 42 nmol/L (10-50)
Albumin 4.5 g/dL (3.6-5.1)
Testosterone 535 ng/dL (250-1100)
T, bioavailable 121.9 ng/dL (110-575)
T, free 59.3 pg/mL (46.0-224.0)

So, the truth is, I don’t know what to do next. My symptoms seem to be very slowly getting worse, though my sleep quality and tinnitus have improved somewhat over the last few months. I’ve routinely measured by body temperature as low as 96.6 (and never above 97.8 in the afternoon) which I cannot imagine is OK, but I have no idea if these sexual issues are even related, nor how I could figure that out. As an aside, I have started to take iodine/magnesium/selenium/vitamin C and 5000IU of Vit. D daily to see if it improves anything, but it’s only been a week.

My free testosterone seems too low for someone of my age, but why would it be? The endocrinologist I saw completely ignored those number as inaccurate. Moreover, could a borderline low level really cause physical symptoms of this severity? I feel there must be more going on, but I want to learn more before I see another endo.

Any thoughts that this community might have will be GREATLY appreciated. And please let me know if anything in this post needs to be changed or added and I will do so!

You need to address thyroid. You can read KSman’s stuff on Iodine deficiencies in the stickies, but those numbers look really out of whack. You could try Armour Thyroid or any of the comparable brands. That should bring T4 and T3 up. You’re T3 is quite a bit worse than your T4, so you’re body obviously isn’t converting very well. Straight T3 might work better or as an addition to Armour.

That cortisol reading wasn’t very good either. Sometimes treating thyroid can be tricky if adrenals aren’t producing. You should do a 4x saliva test from canary club. Some docs recommend treating adrenals first, but taking HC scares me. You could try some of things in the following article to see if it gives you enough of a bump to effectively treat your obvious thyroid issues. Licorice root, Ashwaganda and astralagus combo seemed to provide some improvement for me. I also took pregnenolone and DHEA.

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_nutrition/the_truth_about_adrenal_fatigue

You’re free T and bio available T are pretty shitty, but I wouldn’t mess with that quite yet…if you can sort out your thyroid issues in a timely manner. If you can’t find a smart doc to work with you on thyroid, T levels are probably the easiest to improve and can provide some relief while you sort out other issues. Just kind of pain to undo that when other issues are sorted.

Hey dhickey, thanks for the reply. I agree with your comments regarding testosterone.

With respect to the thyroid, I’ve recently been reading more on the topic and it inspired me to add iodine and selenium to my daily vitamins (which is a very short list, after that scare regarding saw palmetto–I cannot believe I had never heard of how dangerous 5AR inhibitors can be). I’m starting slow with the iodine, but I hope to notice some changes soon. I can definitely say that I’ve notice some very mild improvements to mental clarity, but that is such a subjective thing and throughout this whole unfortunate experience I have noticed fluctuations in that. For a few days I’ll start to feel better, sleep better, and then I’ll swing back to a constant sense of disorientation, sleep pattern disruption, and so on. I will start monitoring my body temperature to see if it starts to go up. 96.9 last night, 96.6 this morning. (A hot shower gets it up to 98.x).

I’ve search some articles and really not come across a good explanation for elevated TSH, normal T4, and low T3, but I also know that the ‘total’ values that I provided are somewhat useless. I will try to test free T3/4 and rT3 in the future.

I know very little about cortisol though, and when I had that test done I didn’t even realize it wasn’t an ideal level. I know there’s plenty of specious information out there about ‘adrenal fatigue’ (I typically think of it in the same catch-all category of people searching for an answer to everything that ails them, a la candida), but cortisol is a powerful hormone and the HPA axis/adrenal insufficiency is definitely a real thing. I suppose a cortisol test or ACTH test could be illuminating.

I should also note that after taking 25mg DHEA for a few days I got Extremely irritable. It was pretty shocking, as I’m normally a easy-going guy that is difficult to upset, but when taking DHEA I was frustrated by just about everything. This went away after I stopped taking it.

As an update, I saw a new Endo and he was also skeptical of my tests. He claims that they indicate normal thyroid function, but was concerned about the cortisol levels and is going to test morning cortisol and ACTH. If these report normal, I will press him on testing free and reverse T3 just to be sure of his thyroid conclusion.

He also made the claim that my free T was completely normal. I really didn’t know what to say to that. I pointed out that it was quite low, but he was of the opinion that it wouldn’t causes any symptoms at my ‘low’ levels.

While I was reading your story I kept thinking that there might be a reduction in liver metabolism. Then I saw AST at triple the range. Low metabolism of drugs and elevation in ammonia will cause all kinds of bizarre side-effects. Have you got a liver panel with ammonia?

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While I was reading your story I kept thinking that there might be a reduction in liver metabolism. Then I saw AST at triple the range. Low metabolism of drugs and elevation in ammonia will cause all kinds of bizarre side-effects. Have you got a liver panel with ammonia?[/quote]

I looked back over my labs and it doesn’t look like they tested ammonia. My Primary doc did do a follow-up test after the high AST value and the number did drop to 50-something and he wasn’t concerned.

Though, with respect to ammonia, I should note that I have a pretty strong intolerance for arginine/citrulline supplements. When I take them I get lung pain in the morning and it is a little hard to breath for a few minutes after waking up. I actually get an identical effect from taking more than a low dose of a PDE5 inhibitor. I’ve really never figured out what that is all about and I don’t see anything similar in the literature.