i just bought some Flameout and HOT-ROX for my next cutting cycle, should i also throw in some L-Leucine? i eat 45g protein each meal but how much leucine is that? if i decide to get a bottle i will take on 5g serving pwo meal and 2 2.5g serving with other meals.
I don’t think it’s imperative for your cutting cycle. If you have some extra cash laying around then go for it, but not neccessary.
is this more of a bulking supp?
leucine is better when cutting.
But if your getting enough protien your not likely to every feel a need for it.
During hard cardio and such it would be nice to sip on.
You need to stop thinking of supplements in terms of bulking or cutting classifications.
If you really want to look at it that way, though, you can consider it more beneficial during a cutting cycle, where you are likely to be eating less per meal and therefore want to maximize the benefits of what you ARE intaking.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
leucine is better when cutting.
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WTF?
I believe leucine is beneficial in both stages to the point where it should be used BOTH stages but there is more of a benefit when trying to get bigger.
Two ways to look at it really,
If you consider that leucine signals protein synthesis, during a negative energy balance / diet phase, this would be anticatabolic. Protein synthesis would be promoted, halting muscle protein catabolism, however, the absence of excess nutrients would probably prevent the formation of new tissue.
During muscle gaining phases, again we would see protein synthesis promoted, the excess nutrients would provide sufficient materials for tissue growth though.
The supplement has the same effect regardless of situation, the presence / absence of nutrients would determine whether the supplement would be one useful for muscle gain purposes, or, muscle retention purposes.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Westclock wrote:
leucine is better when cutting.
WTF?
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Why supplement when your already getting 350-400+ grams of protien a day while bulking.
If anything your getting too many amino on a bulking diet.
doesnt Leucine work better with a higher caloric intake?
I always viewed Leucine as a sort of insurance policy against overtraining, or for muscle preservation when on a cutting diet.
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[quote]Dave Rogerson wrote:
Two ways to look at it really,
If you consider that leucine signals protein synthesis, during a negative energy balance / diet phase, this would be anticatabolic. Protein synthesis would be promoted, halting muscle protein catabolism, however, the absence of excess nutrients would probably prevent the formation of new tissue.
During muscle gaining phases, again we would see protein synthesis promoted, the excess nutrients would provide sufficient materials for tissue growth though.
The supplement has the same effect regardless of situation, the presence / absence of nutrients would determine whether the supplement would be one useful for muscle gain purposes, or, muscle retention purposes.
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Bingo.
And I use Leucine sort of like Stu.
musculardevelopment.com/content/view/1382/182/
In this episode, Layne Norton talks about his research presented at ISSN, Layne discusses protein frequency, leucine, and much more.
some great info from layne on BCAAs/Leucine