Kyle Rittenhouse Trial and the Law of Self-Defense

You’re also a complete dim wit

You’ve gotta explain why though, otherwise you’ll deepen the divide.

Talking down to people doesn’t change the way they think. Telling them WHY you think they’re being unreasonable may alter the way one thinks about a particular issue.

No one likes being treated like a petulant child, teenagers tend to hate it the most as they’re right on the cusp of adulthood yet too far removed from childhood and thus no one takes them seriously.

You’ve come out swinging here, and as a result the conversation between you and TLgains likely won’t be civil in nature. It doesn’t have to be this way, explain to him why he is wrong… Orr me for that matter in terms of what I believe pertaining to the Kenosha shootings.

Was the firearm in his possession illegal to possess or not?

Am smartest man alive

This will only serve to irritate him, and this is not something worth having a spat over. I’d like to point out however that from what I can see, you were the instigator with your “you are no marine” comment to the other guy.

Many don’t or can’t fully comprehend what being a marine actually entails. That comment you made was uncalled for and is bound to piss people off. Particularly those who have served in the army.

Just agree to disagree and call it quits.

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Rittenhouse has been charged for possessing the rifle. His friend was charged because the DA asked himself, “How would Kyle be charged if his friend didn’t break a law by giving him the rifle?” These are all political charges.

Edit: Rittenhouse’s (BS) weapon law violation charge was dropped. @unreal24278

My guess is that he believes the head DA has his back on this. On top of that, he’ll get his 15 minutes of fame on MSNBC, CNN, etc. about how brave he was to go after “White Supremacy.”

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Then you have just broken the law. And given it’s nyc, good luck.

If he didn’t have a gun, would he have been in that situation to begin with?

Some people want to make this a left right issue, because they are morons. My point is, when it comes to self defense and when it comes to carrying a firearm, the person needs to understand the responsibility that comes with those things. Kyle didn’t. He is no hero for gun rights or someone we should view as being a positive image for self defense with a gun. He did so many wrong things in the lead up to shooting 3 people that he is an example of how not to behave when you are armed.

I would even argue that all of those guys who showed up with guns were idiots who didn’t consider what could possibly have happened. How many of them were really prepared mentally and emotionally to kill someone? How many were prepared to die to protect a building from burning down? They were all clowns. Kyle probably defended himself legally but I wonder if he thinks it was worth it to play vigilante as he cries like a baby in court. And that could have been any of the clowns who were there with him had they shot someone.

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You could have just written this and stopped. I’m pretty sure no one here is saying he is a hero to be emulated and that other 17 year olds ought to start showing up armed in volatile situations.

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But within the larger topic of self defense the other comments are relevant. Kyle is on trial because of other factors and circumstances. Ideally, if you use a gun in self defense, you don’t want to have to prove it in court. You want it to be clear enough that you don’t face charges.

I think that but for the political landscape, that is what would have happened here. I do not believe this trial would have happened but for the current dogma embraced by media elites and elites in the Democratic Party that BLM protests are always peaceful and that a threat by white supremacists lurks around every corner. As a former criminal defense attorney (now practicing civil litigation), I can tell you that MOST self-defense cases involve people being somewhere they would not have been if they had exercised better judgment (a drunken poker game at 3:00 a.m. where people are getting gradually more belligerent, a strip joint with a history of trouble, etc.). In that respect, the Rittenhouse case is not all that unusual.

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Just because/“mostly peaceful arson”…:upside_down_face:

I’ll admit that I’m kind of hoping when he gets off next week and the stupid, middle-class white boys decide to use it as an excuse to right, that a LOT of armed people come out to protect property.

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Politically if you want riots to end and stop crime, they need to do exactly that. Encourage people to defend themselves. Crime is record high in US and the police is defunded, while politicians are hostage to BLM. The only way is encourage people shoot criminals.

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Yeah, and we get to be a shithole country like yours.

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Why? I mean, if you want to see bloodshed, why don’t you go and shoot someone?

I don’t think the rioters were middle class. They looked like ex cons, junkies and hobos.

Dumb people with guns; what could go wrong?

I actually live in a pretty good place. Clean air, parks, almost no traffic, above average wage, coaching soccer as a hobby. Bought 100 sqm apartment in the 3rd best neighbourhood. There is literally a park behind my apartment building. Driving old but well maintained Audi. No credit. No riots, no crime. My area actually produces food, so no lack of food. I drink tap water. Saving money, owning land and investing on agricultural land. The sea is 35 km away and there is a mountain 200 km away. I d say I live slightly above average lifestyle in a calm and clean town. Its pretty bad here. Such an awful place and life I got.

So yes I guess shitholes like New York, California, Boston are way better lol. I guess the new American dream is to have tents in front of your house full of homelesa people who shit and pee on the street, while robbing local markets, stealing cars, doing drugs and rioting the city.

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Preferable to not having due process.

False dichotomy, Zecarlo! We don’t have to choose between due process and safety. We just have to enforce the laws that we have and actually be willing to arrest and punish people when they break those laws. It’s not rocket science; we know how to reduce crime, and it doesn’t require ditching due process.

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Weird how I’ve never heard anyone lust after moving to your country, but hundreds of millions (billions?) Lust after moving to NY, CA, or Boston.

I don’t think you know much about those places lol.