[quote]Brant2 wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
[quote]Brant2 wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
If you look at the increase in the major diseases, Heart disease, cancer, stroke, diabetes, etc… you will also find there is about a three fold incidence of those diseases over the same period.
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So you’re linking this DIRECTLY to meat consumption? Man that is a LONG shot. Shouldn’t you consider the increase unadverted consupmtion of all kinds of medicine, work related stress, popularization of highly processed food? I could go on all day listing possible factors that have a higher chance of being the direct cause of those diseases than just meat.
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Pretty much this, to attribute it to one specific variable is pretty brave. The same thing holds true for vegetable oils and whole grains (which by the way have an actual link to obesity and diabetes). You have to look at the mechanism of disease to understand whether it’s plausible or not.
Also keep in mind what the quality of the meat is like. If you eat pizza pockets for2 years straight you’d be pretty sick and inflamed. So if we feed say a cow corn (unnatural diet) how do you think that would effect the quality of the meat? There has been a well documented effect on the omega ratio between corn fed and grass fed as well as the overall fat content (and CLA content)
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To kill two reading comprehension birds with one digital stone please allow me to address this to both rhiana bubble and Brant, I never said or suggested that meat was the only problem. In fact I clearly stated several times now that I have yet to make any conclusions, but that I do find the data convincing. Convincing enough for me to cut back on my meat consumtion and see what happens. Lo and behold I am still coming in at around the same weight, yet with a stronger focus on fresh frutis and veggies (an heirloom tomato out of my garden is just absolutely amazing) I feel less bloated and have better energy levels, and this is even when I factor in the past 6 months being spent handling a newborn.
Here is a garden pic for you to realize I am surely not just some keyboard warrior who does nothing all day but get into intellectual diet arguments while eating cheetos and drinking Mt dew in my moms basement. Let me know if anyone is interested in more garden pics. I have some good garden porn from this past summer.
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Got it.
While I do understand it might be easier having your own garden than to own (and eventually) kill a few cows, this is a very interesting approach to eating clean(er) food. Unfortunaly I live in an apartment building, so it makes it pretty impossible for me.
Besides, haiving your own garden takes a lot of time and effort and, as gay as it may sound, caring. Most people spend most of their days out, which would most likely lead to a garden full of dead plants.
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I understand it’s not feasable for everyone to grow their own food, but you should really be looking into your own locally produced frutis and vegs and meats. Even if you live in a city, almost every major city now has some form of robust farmers market, some year round. Also, when you garden intensively, and intelligently, it is not as much work as you think. I still hold downa full time job, spend time with family and friends, go camping, go golfing, etc… I do take 4 days off in the spring (around memorial day) to get one full week of garden prep and planting done. After that week, I probably spend 3-4 hours a week in the garden. Managing the weeds, training what needs to be supported and managing the compost pile. I also sold $200 worth of tomatoes on a little road side stand last season as an expirament. This year I hope to offer several other vegetables for sale and maybe make that a $500 year, which would more than cover all the costs of the gardens minus my labor of course.
Also, for smaller scale operations, I would get my meat from birds, mostly chickens and ducks, to properly do beef, you would need a minimum of 25 acres, and you would really need 50 acres to do a small herd (what my friend has). However, I can just get my meat from him and provide him with something in return, either money, or produce, or feed for his chickens etc…
If anyone is interested in reasearching a really good local model, Joel Salatan is the name to google.
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