[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
What a dumb ass!
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Hey Id, I forgot my login name on G+, wondering if you have it or can get it?
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Go here:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/stream/circles/p58f127698fcede2b
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
What a dumb ass!
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Hey Id, I forgot my login name on G+, wondering if you have it or can get it?
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Did that work?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
What a dumb ass!
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Hey Id, I forgot my login name on G+, wondering if you have it or can get it?
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Did that work?[/quote]
No. I can’t remember which one of me I am. There were multiple users with my name, so I got name+number.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
What a dumb ass!
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Hey Id, I forgot my login name on G+, wondering if you have it or can get it?
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Did that work?[/quote]
No. I can’t remember which one of me I am. There were multiple users with my name, so I got name+number.
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Sorry. Not sure how to help at this point.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
and cherry picking data never works
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It does if you happen to be a fruitarian (free food).
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well played sir
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
the China Study one
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Horribly conducted study
and cherry picking data never works
charlie sheen snorted a shit ton of cocaine and nothing happened to him, does that mean everyone should do it?
Breast milk btw is an excellent source of animal fats and proteins. [/quote]
Horribly constructed post
and cherry picking points I made never works
Prof X eats a steak per day and he’s clearly an asshole, clearly this means no one should eat steak ever.
My wife could only keep up breast milk production in a sufficient enough amount for 1 month, the following 5 months have been all formula and frutis/vegs.
You see what I did there?
V
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point still stands
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
What a dumb ass!
[/quote]
Hey Id, I forgot my login name on G+, wondering if you have it or can get it?
[/quote]
Did that work?[/quote]
No. I can’t remember which one of me I am. There were multiple users with my name, so I got name+number.
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Okay, go back to that link, and click on your name… I think!
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
What a dumb ass!
[/quote]
Hey Id, I forgot my login name on G+, wondering if you have it or can get it?
[/quote]
Did that work?[/quote]
No. I can’t remember which one of me I am. There were multiple users with my name, so I got name+number.
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Okay, go back to that link, and click on your name… I think!
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Still nothing. Thanks though.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
What a dumb ass!
[/quote]
Hey Id, I forgot my login name on G+, wondering if you have it or can get it?
[/quote]
Did that work?[/quote]
No. I can’t remember which one of me I am. There were multiple users with my name, so I got name+number.
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Okay, go back to that link, and click on your name… I think!
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Still nothing. Thanks though.
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When you figure it out, put up an Avi
edit: nevermind it is the one with your baby picture in it
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
What a dumb ass!
[/quote]
Hey Id, I forgot my login name on G+, wondering if you have it or can get it?
[/quote]
Did that work?[/quote]
No. I can’t remember which one of me I am. There were multiple users with my name, so I got name+number.
[/quote]
Okay, go back to that link, and click on your name… I think!
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Still nothing. Thanks though.
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Go to the sign-in page and click “Can’t access your account?” It’s just below the fields for email and password. It will take you through a series of steps to recover your account.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
What a dumb ass!
[/quote]
Hey Id, I forgot my login name on G+, wondering if you have it or can get it?
[/quote]
Did that work?[/quote]
No. I can’t remember which one of me I am. There were multiple users with my name, so I got name+number.
[/quote]
Okay, go back to that link, and click on your name… I think!
[/quote]
Still nothing. Thanks though.
[/quote]
Go to the sign-in page and click “Can’t access your account?” It’s just below the fields for email and password. It will take you through a series of steps to recover your account.[/quote]
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
What a dumb ass!
[/quote]
Hey Id, I forgot my login name on G+, wondering if you have it or can get it?
[/quote]
Did that work?[/quote]
No. I can’t remember which one of me I am. There were multiple users with my name, so I got name+number.
[/quote]
Okay, go back to that link, and click on your name… I think!
[/quote]
Still nothing. Thanks though.
[/quote]
Go to the sign-in page and click “Can’t access your account?” It’s just below the fields for email and password. It will take you through a series of steps to recover your account.[/quote]
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LOL. Rich people is crazy.
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
the China Study one
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Horribly conducted study
and cherry picking data never works
charlie sheen snorted a shit ton of cocaine and nothing happened to him, does that mean everyone should do it?
Breast milk btw is an excellent source of animal fats and proteins. [/quote]
Horribly constructed post
and cherry picking points I made never works
Prof X eats a steak per day and he’s clearly an asshole, clearly this means no one should eat steak ever.
My wife could only keep up breast milk production in a sufficient enough amount for 1 month, the following 5 months have been all formula and frutis/vegs.
You see what I did there?
V
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point still stands[/quote]
Point still stands that there needs to be more specific research?
Or point stands that you think you know 100% for sure that the benefits of meat consumption outweigh any potential negatives of meat consumption?
V
I was a vegetarian for four years. Even when consuming eggs and dairy I couldn’t maintain weight and my body comp sucked. And all the vegetarians say “well, you just weren’t eating right.” Which is bullshit. I was obsessed with diet, read dozens of books. That’s probably why I stuck with it for four years, because of a stubborn refusal to admit that I “failed” at being a healthy vegetarian. I stuck with it long after stopped buying into the bullshit political/eviromental/ethical reasons why I became a vegetarian in the first place. Then I had the revelation that it was me who failed but the diet.
This “vegan” MMA fighter you mentioned. How long has he been vegan? Do you have any pics of him from before he became vegan? The vast majority of the muscular vegan/vegitarian poster boys built their mass while eating meat. I’ve known a few descent sized guys who managed to hang onto most of their strength and mass when they went vegitarian. They probably had better genetics than me, who knows?
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Point still stands that there needs to be more specific research?
Or point stands that you think you know 100% for sure that the benefits of meat consumption outweigh any potential negatives of meat consumption?
V
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i eating meat was THAT detrimental to us we would be extinct as a species right now. Whilst there has been no real(is tic) research regarding meat consumption affecting us negatively there has been a long of research showing what a lack of protein can do to us. AND being a “fruitarian”
will severely impact health, epithelial wall glycation is quite possibly one of the biggest risk factors for CVD (never mind other diseases like diabetes)
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Point still stands that there needs to be more specific research?
Or point stands that you think you know 100% for sure that the benefits of meat consumption outweigh any potential negatives of meat consumption?
V
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i eating meat was THAT detrimental to us we would be extinct as a species right now. Whilst there has been no real(is tic) research regarding meat consumption affecting us negatively there has been a long of research showing what a lack of protein can do to us. AND being a “fruitarian”
will severely impact health, epithelial wall glycation is quite possibly one of the biggest risk factors for CVD (never mind other diseases like diabetes)[/quote]
It’s more the amounts of meat we are eating. As little as 80 years ago, the average AMERICAN consumed about 100 lbs of meat annually. Since that time, the average american consumes roughly 300 lbs of meat annually. That is a three fold increase in about 2-3 generations. If you look at the increase in the major diseases, Heart disease, cancer, stroke, diabetes, etc… you will also find there is about a three fold incidence of those diseases over the same period. I would also like to point out that among other longstanding illness, such as influenza, the common cold, and a whole host of other viral or bacterial illness, the incidence and severity of such things have dramatically decreased, due to our advanced state of medical care.
I don’t claim to have all the answers, and there are other factors which I can at least partially contribute to our nations failing health, such as processed foods, refined sugars, etc…, but the correlation with meat consumption, and the studies which show animal protein when digested, speeds tumor growth ( it is anabolic so this makes sense) I cannot ignore the significance of this.
Also I’m sure anyone who really gave a shit could google Mac Danzig and read his bio.Or perhaps google “vegan Bodybuilder” and read the hundreds of stories of such people. Since you are obviously pretty lazy, here is a picture of him to wet your appetite. He’s no giant, but he certainly can’t be considered a twig.
V
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I was a vegetarian for four years. Even when consuming eggs and dairy I couldn’t maintain weight and my body comp sucked. And all the vegetarians say “well, you just weren’t eating right.” Which is bullshit. I was obsessed with diet, read dozens of books. That’s probably why I stuck with it for four years, because of a stubborn refusal to admit that I “failed” at being a healthy vegetarian. I stuck with it long after stopped buying into the bullshit political/eviromental/ethical reasons why I became a vegetarian in the first place. Then I had the revelation that it was me who failed but the diet.
This “vegan” MMA fighter you mentioned. How long has he been vegan? Do you have any pics of him from before he became vegan? The vast majority of the muscular vegan/vegitarian poster boys built their mass while eating meat. I’ve known a few descent sized guys who managed to hang onto most of their strength and mass when they went vegitarian. They probably had better genetics than me, who knows?
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I do believe there are genetic factors at play. I truly believe some people due to their heritage (and their ancestors diets) have adapted to thrive on different levels of animal protein. Although I don’t think evolutionarily, body comp was ever a genetic limiting factor, I believe some people will feel better eating some meat. But I don’t think it is optimal for anyone to consume 300 Lbs per year, at least with respect to optimal “HEALTH”, not necessarily body composition.
Quick story, my sisters boyfriend, 35, tall, lean, nonsmoker, competes in downhill mountain biking. Anyone who looks at him would consider him healthy and fit. He is 35 and has already gone through lymphoma, a heart attack and is now dealing with a stroke which has left him unable to use his entire left side. I can give you 30 other stories of people who should not be dealing with such medical issues who have had to. There is something wrong with our diets, and I’m not above looking at all the information rationally, including if it points to my delicious NY strip as a possible detrimental food.
V
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I was a vegetarian for four years. Even when consuming eggs and dairy I couldn’t maintain weight and my body comp sucked. And all the vegetarians say “well, you just weren’t eating right.” Which is bullshit. I was obsessed with diet, read dozens of books. That’s probably why I stuck with it for four years, because of a stubborn refusal to admit that I “failed” at being a healthy vegetarian. I stuck with it long after stopped buying into the bullshit political/eviromental/ethical reasons why I became a vegetarian in the first place. Then I had the revelation that it was me who failed but the diet.
This “vegan” MMA fighter you mentioned. How long has he been vegan? Do you have any pics of him from before he became vegan? The vast majority of the muscular vegan/vegitarian poster boys built their mass while eating meat. I’ve known a few descent sized guys who managed to hang onto most of their strength and mass when they went vegitarian. They probably had better genetics than me, who knows?
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I do believe there are genetic factors at play. I truly believe some people due to their heritage (and their ancestors diets) have adapted to thrive on different levels of animal protein. Although I don’t think evolutionarily, body comp was ever a genetic limiting factor, I believe some people will feel better eating some meat. But I don’t think it is optimal for anyone to consume 300 Lbs per year, at least with respect to optimal “HEALTH”, not necessarily body composition.
Quick story, my sisters boyfriend, 35, tall, lean, nonsmoker, competes in downhill mountain biking. Anyone who looks at him would consider him healthy and fit. He is 35 and has already gone through lymphoma, a heart attack and is now dealing with a stroke which has left him unable to use his entire left side. I can give you 30 other stories of people who should not be dealing with such medical issues who have had to. There is something wrong with our diets, and I’m not above looking at all the information rationally, including if it points to my delicious NY strip as a possible detrimental food.
V[/quote]
So I guess you’re just going to ignore the populations, in entirely different areas of the world mind you, that have subsisted on nothing but meat and fat? And in doing so have managed to avoid the chronic disease you mentioned? Only a fool would look at the pool of data across the world and reach the conclusion that any one population is eating the optimal diet. It’s pretty obvious that diets on completely different ends of the spectrum don’t have to be mutually exclusive, actually.
From what I remember, that whole China Study thing is bonkers.
Not quite fruit diet bonkers, but bonkers, nonetheless.