i think everyone is taking this really hard and hating on Richards. I actually thought it was pretty funny! And everyone gets to that point once in a while. I say those kinds of things when I’m driving lol
[quote]TTewell342 wrote:
i think everyone is taking this really hard and hating on Richards. I actually thought it was pretty funny! And everyone gets to that point once in a while. I say those kinds of things when I’m driving lol[/quote]
It is enlightening to learn that so many people are shouting bigots when the windows are rolled up and they feel there are no consequences. I wish more were as bold when outside of their cars.
Why does it matter? ( Professor X )
People are going to think what their going to think…
He’s now talking with Jesse Jackson and that should help. Jesse has experience with this kind of problem. He once got in serious trouble for calling NYC “hymie town” and making numerous verbal attacks on Jews.
I am amazed at some of the thoughts floating around in the world today.
I am Irish, Scottish, First Nations (Indian), French and Black. I only say this because people always like to demand the “credit” upon which you speak. I on no account can give ANY credence to which Richards spoke. Yes he may have spoke out of “anger” and not “racism”, however; that does NOT make him any better a person.
To speak about ANYONE with that kind of hostility and degradation in private, let alone public is inappropriate behaviour on ANY front.
The entire incident on any level was childish. To heckle; rude and childish, to respond in that manner; Ignorant and inexcusible; to answer back with your own racial slur, also childish.
To anyone who constitutes slavery with racism, you are looking through a very foggy mirror. Slavery came first with it’s views of minorities (not just blacks) being inferior. Then slavery was abolished BUT the attitude of superiority was not abolished. That attitude is what predominates racism today. Not just towards blacks, but ALL minorities.
A white man walks into a convenience store. He had a hard day, is covered with dirt and has bags under his eyes. Not in a good mood, he grabs a sandwich and a coke and makes his way to the counter. Meanwhile the clerk notices him come in and thinks that he looks “rough” but greets him with a reluctant smile and serves him.
Repeat
A BLACK man(or minority) walks into a convenience store. He had a hard day, is covered with dirt and has bags under his eyes. Not in a good mood, he grabs a sandwich and a coke and makes his way to the counter. Meanwhile the clerk notices him come in and thinks that he looks rough, readies the self defence mechanism or alarm system, serves the customer looking wary and without a smile…
I have seen this happen. You can NOT tell me that it is not racism! I am not saying that all people who respond this way are racist, but they are taught to be inclined that way.
I am tired of the whole thing. Racism against all races bothers me, including the swing to paint all whites as bad guys. The whole issue pisses me off, because there is no happy medium and it feels like there is no solution. Why the hell can’t people just love each other the way they are?
Yes, I know, just wasting my breath…
Michelle
[quote]Bittabit wrote:
I am amazed at some of the thoughts floating around in the world today.
I am Irish, Scottish, First Nations (Indian), French and Black. I only say this because people always like to demand the “credit” upon which you speak. I on no account can give ANY credence to which Richards spoke. Yes he may have spoke out of “anger” and not “racism”, however; that does NOT make him any better a person.
To speak about ANYONE with that kind of hostility and degradation in private, let alone public is inappropriate behaviour on ANY front.
The entire incident on any level was childish. To heckle; rude and childish, to respond in that manner; Ignorant and inexcusible; to answer back with your own racial slur, also childish.
To anyone who constitutes slavery with racism, you are looking through a very foggy mirror. Slavery came first with it’s views of minorities (not just blacks) being inferior. Then slavery was abolished BUT the attitude of superiority was not abolished. That attitude is what predominates racism today. Not just towards blacks, but ALL minorities.
A white man walks into a convenience store. He had a hard day, is covered with dirt and has bags under his eyes. Not in a good mood, he grabs a sandwich and a coke and makes his way to the counter. Meanwhile the clerk notices him come in and thinks that he looks “rough” but greets him with a reluctant smile and serves him.
Repeat
A BLACK man(or minority) walks into a convenience store. He had a hard day, is covered with dirt and has bags under his eyes. Not in a good mood, he grabs a sandwich and a coke and makes his way to the counter. Meanwhile the clerk notices him come in and thinks that he looks rough, readies the self defence mechanism or alarm system, serves the customer looking wary and without a smile…
I have seen this happen. You can NOT tell me that it is not racism! I am not saying that all people who respond this way are racist, but they are taught to be inclined that way.
I am tired of the whole thing. Racism against all races bothers me, including the swing to paint all whites as bad guys. The whole issue pisses me off, because there is no happy medium and it feels like there is no solution. Why the hell can’t people just love each other the way they are?
Yes, I know, just wasting my breath…
Michelle[/quote]
You didn’t waste your breath at all. It needed to be said, again, that this shit still goes on. How stupid is it that some in this thread claim they know how much I have experienced it in my life time?
The same circumstances you just described aren’t rare and are pretty much to be expected. The mental state things like that place you in no doubt contributes to more daily stress than someone who never experiences it, even though it may rank low on a scale of observed racism.
I do take comfort in the fact that many cowards would scream behind 2 inches of glass and a metal frame things they would never say in the softest voice to the face of the object of it all.
[quote]Bittabit wrote:
I am amazed at some of the thoughts floating around in the world today.
I am Irish, Scottish, First Nations (Indian), French and Black.
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Wait, did you say you’re “Black”? If you have any black in you, then I’m part Somalian…
Anyway, you make good points, I’m in agreement.
[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:
He’s now talking with Jesse Jackson and that should help. Jesse has experience with this kind of problem. He once got in serious trouble for calling NYC “hymie town” and making numerous verbal attacks on Jews.[/quote]
and Jesse has been forgiven and it has been forgotten. Why can’t we extend Mr. Richards the same courtesy?
[quote]Bittabit wrote:
I am amazed at some of the thoughts floating around in the world today.
I am Irish, Scottish, First Nations (Indian), French and Black. I only say this because people always like to demand the “credit” upon which you speak. I on no account can give ANY credence to which Richards spoke. Yes he may have spoke out of “anger” and not “racism”, however; that does NOT make him any better a person.
To speak about ANYONE with that kind of hostility and degradation in private, let alone public is inappropriate behaviour on ANY front.
The entire incident on any level was childish. To heckle; rude and childish, to respond in that manner; Ignorant and inexcusible; to answer back with your own racial slur, also childish.
To anyone who constitutes slavery with racism, you are looking through a very foggy mirror. Slavery came first with it’s views of minorities (not just blacks) being inferior. Then slavery was abolished BUT the attitude of superiority was not abolished. That attitude is what predominates racism today. Not just towards blacks, but ALL minorities.
A white man walks into a convenience store. He had a hard day, is covered with dirt and has bags under his eyes. Not in a good mood, he grabs a sandwich and a coke and makes his way to the counter. Meanwhile the clerk notices him come in and thinks that he looks “rough” but greets him with a reluctant smile and serves him.
Repeat
A BLACK man(or minority) walks into a convenience store. He had a hard day, is covered with dirt and has bags under his eyes. Not in a good mood, he grabs a sandwich and a coke and makes his way to the counter. Meanwhile the clerk notices him come in and thinks that he looks rough, readies the self defence mechanism or alarm system, serves the customer looking wary and without a smile…
I have seen this happen. You can NOT tell me that it is not racism! I am not saying that all people who respond this way are racist, but they are taught to be inclined that way.
I am tired of the whole thing. Racism against all races bothers me, including the swing to paint all whites as bad guys. The whole issue pisses me off, because there is no happy medium and it feels like there is no solution. Why the hell can’t people just love each other the way they are?
Yes, I know, just wasting my breath…
Michelle[/quote]
Hate to tell chief ,but if the average white guy walks into a store covered in dirt head to toe ,and with baggy eyes the store clerk has about the same chance of treating him exactly as the black in your story…Is it racism …Possibly or is the person behind the counter just in a bad mood ,Or does that person just not like the way the person they are serving carries themselves ,and takes an automatic dislike to them ? all of which had nothing to with skin color .
You paint a picture of white people walking around being received with nothing but smiles …to funny .
[quote]Bittabit wrote:
A white man walks into a convenience store. He had a hard day, is covered with dirt and has bags under his eyes. Not in a good mood, he grabs a sandwich and a coke and makes his way to the counter. Meanwhile the clerk notices him come in and thinks that he looks “rough” but greets him with a reluctant smile and serves him.
Repeat
A BLACK man(or minority) walks into a convenience store. He had a hard day, is covered with dirt and has bags under his eyes. Not in a good mood, he grabs a sandwich and a coke and makes his way to the counter. Meanwhile the clerk notices him come in and thinks that he looks rough, readies the self defence mechanism or alarm system, serves the customer looking wary and without a smile…
Michelle[/quote]
well, you may have seen that happen. but in my experience, people get uptight when a person looks trashy… black or white or arab or indian or chinese or whatever. a trashy looking shady character is a trashy looking shady character.
it’s funny you mention this because i just went through a similar experience, the other day. i was watching a movie with the sexy girlfriend, and we needed some emergency popcorn at 12:30 AM, so the only place open at that time for popcorn is a convenience store.
it’s not the best neighborhood, and at 12:30 AM it’s not like all the gainfully employed respectful citizens are walking around, and this white trash guy walks into the convenience store acting all antsy. you think i cared that he was white? you think the store clerk cared that he was white?
you think it would have made any difference is he was black? hell no. the guy was trashy looking, and that’s not associated with color. needless to say, it’s not like people responded to this guy well. i thought he was gonna pull out a gun, or something.
am i saying that racism doesn’t exist against blacks? hell no. i just don’t like your example. but racism exists against all people, and it’s annoying to hear people try to ‘grade’ it, in order to determine which groups qualifies as the biggest victim.
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All this talk about “now we know he’s a rascist” is getting old. Many people are rascist. When you lose your temper, you tend to make derogatory comments. If the hecklers had been fat, he probably would have said something about their weight.
It’s too bad he lost his temper to that degree.
[quote]hueyOT wrote:
Bittabit wrote:
A white man walks into a convenience store. He had a hard day, is covered with dirt and has bags under his eyes. Not in a good mood, he grabs a sandwich and a coke and makes his way to the counter. Meanwhile the clerk notices him come in and thinks that he looks “rough” but greets him with a reluctant smile and serves him.
Repeat
A BLACK man(or minority) walks into a convenience store. He had a hard day, is covered with dirt and has bags under his eyes. Not in a good mood, he grabs a sandwich and a coke and makes his way to the counter. Meanwhile the clerk notices him come in and thinks that he looks rough, readies the self defence mechanism or alarm system, serves the customer looking wary and without a smile…
Michelle
well, you may have seen that happen. but in my experience, people get uptight when a person looks trashy… black or white or arab or indian or chinese or whatever. a trashy looking shady character is a trashy looking shady character.
it’s funny you mention this because i just went through a similar experience, the other day. i was watching a movie with the sexy girlfriend, and we needed some emergency popcorn at 12:30 AM, so the only place open at that time for popcorn is a convenience store. it’s not the best neighborhood, and at 12:30 AM it’s not like all the gainfully employed respectful citizens are walking around, and this white trash guy walks into the convenience store acting all antsy. you think i cared that he was white? you think the store clerk cared that he was white? you think it would have made any difference is he was black? hell no. the guy was trashy looking, and that’s not associated with color.
am i saying that racism doesn’t exist against blacks? hell no. i just don’t like your example. but racism exists against all people, and it’s annoying to hear people try and ‘grade’ it, in order to determine who’s the biggest victims.
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Bittabit’s example is just a little contrived.
I agree with HueyOT’s post. Good words.
why isn’t the black community branding this PUTZ a racist ,And jumping up with outrage from his racist words ???
[quote]tweaker wrote:
What does this really have to do with racism? I can find plenty of african-american comics that are openly racist against whites.
Has anyone considered the idea of fighting words?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words[/quote]
That’s because many blacks openly hate us whites. If you notice from the Kramer video, some of the blacks there are actually shouting back epithets at him like “cracker.” Any white who grew up in a city has experienced this first hand.
I was jumped many times by blacks just because I was white and many times I also was called names like cracker, honkey, white bread, etc.
This is all the meanwhile my tax dollars are feeding them in prison and on welfare…
[quote]jjoseph_x wrote:
Now the situation became a whole lot sadder as the two hecklers have retained the services of high-priced lawyers and want to be compensated.
What’s more they want to meet with Richard and go before a retired judge and have him suggest a proper compensation. If he refuses then he will, in the words of the lawyer, “face the consequences”.
I doubt that they managed to get anything out of him if they sued, as offensive as it might have been it’s still constitutionally-protected, free speech… I don’t think that slander would even apply in this case.
But good going guys, way to turn any given situation into a potential pay day (we’re so offended that only money could make us feel better). It reminds me of the Dave Chappelle sketch of what would happen if the US government paid the black people (the descendants of slaves anyhow) reparation.
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Some people never stop looking for free money…
I see that Al Sharpton is in on it to. He can smell the free money. I hope that he doesn’t give them shit especially since they were calling him “cracker”.
The main point that can be learned here:
People are fucked up. White people hate black people, black people hate white people, white people hate other white people, black people hate other black people and so on and so forth for every shade under the skin.
Ignorant, insecure people will find any reason to hate somebody else. Racism usually stems from fear and unfamiliarity, or preconceived notions that are hammered into people’s head from the time. People in general are just fucked up and racism is one outlet for that.
I played basketball pretty much from the time I could walk, so I’ve been on both sides of the fence in terms of racism on teams. I’ve been the only white kid on an otherwise all-black team and I’ve been on teams when there was only one black kid on the whole team.
Usually things were pretty uncomfortable in the beginning, but as the season went on, you didn’t even notice it. If the guy could play he was accepted, if he couldn’t, he wasn’t. Usually if there were any problems, it was because of parents.
I was fortunate enough to be raised in a household where color was never really an issue, so it’s never really been an issue with me. I have black, asian and indian friends and I make “racist” jokes to them all the time (and they to me), because we all know it’s a JOKE.
The problem when a white person calls a black person a niggER is that it isn’t just your feelings that are being conveyed- it’s hundreds of years of hatred from other people being packed into that word.
All words can do is convey feelings- some are just more loaded than others because of ways they’ve been used in the past.
I guess the point to this whole rant is:
If you’re going to hate someone, hate 'em because they’re a fucking douchebag, not because of the color of their skin.
I just saw 12 Angry Men for the first time last night and the scene when one of the jurors goes off on “them” and how “they’re all the same way, it’s in their blood” struck me as very poignant…Anyone who’s seen the movie know’s the scene I’m talking about.
It’s relevant here because the other jurors in the movie all get up from the table and turn their backs to the racist asshole, and all I could think about is I was happy to see, toward the end of Richards’ insane rant, people were doing the same.
That mentality, that racist point of view, is positively inexcusable and I’m happy people made it a point to show Richards that his attitude is not something to laugh at, that this thought process is a reason why racial tension still unfortunately exists.
“Usually things were pretty uncomfortable in the beginning, but as the season went on, you didn’t even notice it. If the guy could play he was accepted, if he couldn’t, he wasn’t. Usually if there were any problems, it was because of parents…
I guess the point to this whole rant is:
If you’re going to hate someone, hate 'em because they’re a fucking douchebag, not because of the color of their skin.”
This, to me, reaches the heart of the argument. Many people, because of their upbringing which creates stereotypical views on the topic of race, don’t know any better until confronted with the situation.
Once it is thrust in front of them and they realize that the quality of the person is considerably more than skin deep most people–with the exception of those extremely ignorant and stubborn people, which I consider to be unforgivable–will realize the error of their ways.
This becomes more difficult as people grow older and their racist mindset is further ingrained into their being, but I believe anyone worth the time to interact with should be openminded enough to realize the error of theirs ways, parents and preconceived notions be damned.