Why is the focus of racism always between blacks and whites in America? When looking around the world, the racial tension between these two groups is nothing compared to what goes on in the rest of the world. a man yelling a racial slur in public is nothing compared to what is happening between sunnis and shiites in the middle east on a daily basis. Remember, in other parts of the world people are killing each other in mass quantities because of race.
Yes, one group was enslaved. So were jewish people. How can the civil right movement even compare to the holocaust or what the japanese did to their chinese neighbors during WWII? Doe this compare to what was done to the native americans? A culture was nearly wiped out from incoming foreigners, yet we dont hear them complain. They were taken from their land and cast in the worst parts of the country, yet they still dont make the news with racist claims.
It isnt much better from the white point-of-view. How come white people think that black neighborhoods are the worst place in the world. Does Rwanda exist? people act like these places are the worst places on earth. No, there aren’t places in the world where any second a car could explode killing hundreds.
Americans need to see that their views on racism are minuscule and they have no clue what it really is. A few hateful remarks means nothing compared to what goes on elsewhere in the world. So stop bitching.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
hockechamp14 wrote:
Do black people really get so worked up about people using “nigger?” The thing I don’t understand still is they use it at each other daily, but when someone white usues it it’s “uncalled for”
Yeah, his stand up sucked anyways.
Who is “they”? Does this include all black people or just “those” black people?
There is a huge difference between “my nigga” and “get out of my neighborhood, you nigger”. If you don’t know the difference, it is because you don’t want to understand the difference.
There are probably more black people who would make an effort to not use and publically decrease the usage of the word in casual conversation than there are those who actually use it.
Chris Rock using the term in a JOKE as a way to describe people OF HIS OWN RACE is not the same as someone FROM ANOTHER RACE using the term as pure DEGRADATION.
Did that really need to be explained to you? If so, why? Please give details of how your social awareness is so developmentally retarded.[/quote]
nigger ,nigga either way black people do not like it when a white person uses it. It seems as if anyone can say it but white people, I spend a lot a my holidays with family in Watts and black people have know problem when the latinos use it. My cousin is half white and when he said everyone damn near killed him.
[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
lovehunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
simon-hecubus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I never did like Seinfeld. The humor was always lame and based on some ordinary act in life that they would then blow up into a full hour show. My guess is, there will be many more who drop it from their list of “greatest shows” after this one.
A full-hour, huh? Doesn’t sound like you really watched any Seinfelds at all, if you remember them being an hour long.
Sounds more like you just didn’t get it. No judgement there — everyone’s taste is different.
Waitaminute — “drop it from their list of greatest shows”?! Just because one of the actors is an ass?! C’mon, that’s just silly.
Kramer was already low on my list of characters anyway, but Seinfeld’s still near the top.
Just didn’t get it? Because their humor was so advanced? Because they were discussing things well above my education and intellect? Please, fool. I never watched an entire episode all of the way through because I found it BORING and SIMPLE.
They weren’t hitting us with amazing originality here. I remember seeing most of that “muffin top” episode and deciding right then and there that the show was not worth my time. I could care less if they were only 30min. How much of an issue is it that I thought they were on for an hour?
It makes no difference either way because they still sucked. If you fell in love with the show, it only makes me wonder what else you find funny that I wouldn’t even giggle at.
Way over the top.
No. Its a good review of the show.
Every single scene that has Jerry in it seems awkward and forced. He’s a pretty good stand up comedian… but the scenes he played in sucked ass. He’s just BORING.
Kramer, George and a handful of other characters almost made up for it. The funniest episodes have very little of Jerry in them.
That and his annoying high pitched voice. GAAAH!![/quote]
[quote]tweaker wrote:
I have no problem with this. He got frustrated and mad. I hear worse from Chris Rock, and I do not believe in double standards.[/quote]
I hope that littles fucker Rock gets his too. He isn’t even funny.
Like a previous poster said: Without the racist jokes he’s got nothing. (Either about him or Chapelle… they both do the same.)
[quote]JonP wrote:
Translation: Whatever Professor X says isn’t funny isn’t funny. To hell with people having their own opiniions because this is fact. If you disagree with him then you are wrong and an idiot.
conner wrote:
For such a crappy show, it’s kinda odd how it was at one point ranked in TV Guide’s 50 Greatest Shows of All Time as #1…
Not to mention all those damn Emmy’s, or the fact that Jerry was offered something like $5 million an episode to keep the series going.
The show was ridiculously popular. People can say it sucked, or it was lame, but it worked.[/quote]
Someone better get a message to TV Guide and quick: Revise your list or risk the wrath of Professor X!
WTF does the Seinfeld Show, and whether you like it or noe, have to do with the topic anyway? Nothing.
Suggesting that Richard’s indicident should reflect where a TV show falls on anybody’s top list (or not) is pompous and ludicrous.
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jjoseph_x wrote:
Oh he meant so say racist things alright: he wanted to insult the hecklers as much as he could.
Calling someone a the n word in anger, doesn’t necessarily make him a racist though (in a global, all-encompassing sense of the word anyhow). It wouldn’t be any different than someone being pissed at, for example, someone from Kentucky a making nasty statements about people from Kentucky… [/quote]
I think you’ve hit upon the crux of the matter. He wanted to lash out piss them off or hurt them. He just picked a piss-poor way to do it.
[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
I’ve been to every major city in the U.S. And sorry to say What I see most blacks dealing with today is self imposed opression …Sure the word nigger is still heard here and there ,But those that say it aren’t usually hard core racists ,as it’s usually said by a person in an argument when they are just reaching for an insult ,but have little racist thought behind it just like when a black person says CRACKER …
So what your telling me is that because a young black may have heard the word nigger a couple times in their life that this is sole reasson they are in jail…on welfare…or lute stores during self induced riots ?
A black man go’s into interview for a job ,and maybe the person doing the interview doesn’t like him partly because he’s black.
And I’m sorry to inform…But people of every race including white have experienced not getting a job at some point in their life do to discrimination not just blacks …Be it the guy doing the interview didn’t like your hair cut or clothes ,Or your size it happens but it’s not every job . You move on ,and go to next interview .
I don’t think you really understand oppression.
Blacks in America are only a few generations separated from slavery. An “Equal” playing field hasn’t been established long enough to say that today’s black youth can’t feel the downstroke of slavery.
White people as a whole have always had the power and money and therefor their kids have been sent to the best schools and provided with jobs of power. That in turn secured the financial future of their children. Etc, etc for generations.
Jews in America were/are victims of racism but weren’t slaves here. They still had the opportunity of business and were able to provide for their children’s futures.
Sure, there might be a more level playing field for minorities today, but a total flip around from poverty to power isn’t going to happen in one or two generations. The power and money of Anglos goes back hundreds of years to the Old Country. Give it a couple more generations here before you start implying anyone is lazy or is sand bagging.
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We are talking whole groups here, not individuals. You really can’t be as naive as you sound.
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Here is the word that will help put blacks on an “EQUAL” playing field …RESPONSIBILITY . Lack of SELF RESPONSIBILITY is what is holding young black people back Not some “DOWN STROKE” of slavery .
[quote]pookie wrote:
Realistically, you never have universal outcry over anything. At best, you have an overwhelming majority.[/quote]
So has a media outlet responded to the Richards issue by defending him? Did anyone try to find out what the hecklers were saying before the tirade to see if that would have shed some light on the subject? If not, then is that not a unified response?
[quote]Isn’t it a bit naive to separate words from actions as if speech had no incidence on any actions?
Banning hate speech makes it harder for the “hater” to disseminate his hateful words.
By banning the hate speech outright, you make it harder for someone to reach a wide audience. It can still be done, but it will be harder and costlier.
But you seem to argue that they are entirely separate; as if words had to power to influence actions.
Would you rather deal with the punishment of a large group; or try to make the creation of the group harder to begin with?
Things like “incite violence” is exactly what words can do and that’s why we have laws regarding words.
Things like “incite violence” is exactly what words can do and that’s why we have laws regarding words.[/quote]
Ok, so I wrote ‘kill all white people’. Will someone interpret it as an actual call to genocide and start killing people? And if someone does, am I to blame?
We can’t bypass the responsibility of individuals. Mark David Chapman might have been influenced by The Catcher in the Rye, so should we view the book as inciting violence? Who decides on these nuances when there is no actual evidence to tie a speaker to a crime?
You can’t have it both ways. You either have free speech or you have government approved speech.
The main motivation for not speaking against the USSR was the threat of invasion. But the self-censorship was voluntary. Speaking up would have meant a serious social backlash, just like with gender and race issues today. Just like with religious issues in the past. Even when that censorship is voluntary, it doesn’t always mean it is the place we want to be in.
[quote]It basically boils down to the same thing. Confrontation simply puts people in a defensive stance where they’ll tend to reject outright anything presented. They might accept it later on, when they can think about it calmly.
Even then it won’t work. They’ll simply lie to stay alive, but deep down, they won’t believe it.[/quote]
But isn’t that exactly what is happening? Many people with certain views will keep them secret, only to pass them on behind closed doors To friends and to their children. They have a social gun pressed against their heads. Speak up and lose your job and possibly face violent retribution. Is this a society we want, even if all this backlash is voluntary?
If we want improvement, than we need the media to stop pointing fingers and start asking questions.
[quote]GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
Here is the word that will help put blacks on an “EQUAL” playing field …RESPONSIBILITY . Lack of SELF RESPONSIBILITY is what is holding young black people back Not some “DOWN STROKE” of slavery .
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you embarrass your race, you embarrass me, you embarrass yourself. Please just stfu.
I see there is a lot of controversy going on here. So let me clear this thing up for you folks:
Seinfeld is the greatest sitcom ever made.
Now I dont want to hear any more of this nonsense going on here!!
And about the original topic. My vote goes in favour of thinking this incident was not a big of a deal. Overhyped. The guys interrupting him on stage were assholes. And very sensitive in top of that. Kramer rules!
I think the most telling thing here is that injected a racist element into a situation that did not have anything to do with race. Some guys are on him about being a bad comic, they happen to be black. He launches into a tirade about their beign n-g-s. An unfunny tirade at that. The whole thing was odd.
The thing that I realize whenever this kind of thing happens, though, is this: You can recover from most anything in this country. The media and the American people can forgive you for anything: Child rape, weird sexual proclivities, murder, drug abuse, womanizing, alcholism, whatever. But you can never, ever, EVER recover from racist behavior like this.
Well. Unless you are a minority and your hate is directed at whites. Then we either laugh at the funny joke or we ‘understand’ that rage because of the racism (seen or unseen) that you must surely have directed at you each adn every day (even if you are a multi-millionaire whose treated like royalty by everyone). OR - and this happens most often - it’s just ignored and not reported at all.
This kind of thing has to stop on all fronts. I don’t know how that happens other than having INDIVIDUALS come together to gain a common understanding of one another. I have known some hard-core racists. One guy I went to college with was just that. He knocked around the CFL for a few years then went to work for an athletic shoe company (the big one) out west.
Needless to say he’s known a LOT of blacks since we left college (where he was openly hostile to our black teammates - but he was a massive OT so he got cut a bit of slack).
Had dinner with him a few years back and he basically said that he’s gotten to know a lot of blacks and they aren’t like ‘most blacks’. I asked him what that tells him. Might that mean that people are individuals and that you should judge them as that. And that there really might not be such a thing as ‘most blacks’. Just people. Get to know them and take them for what they are, good and bad.
[quote]Drive wrote:
GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
Here is the word that will help put blacks on an “EQUAL” playing field …RESPONSIBILITY . Lack of SELF RESPONSIBILITY is what is holding young black people back Not some “DOWN STROKE” of slavery .
you embarrass your race, you embarrass me, you embarrass yourself. Please just stfu.[/quote]
Oh I’m sorry those young black kids that choose to sit around all day ,and do nothing with their life ,and then blame “WHITE” society for their have nots …are not lazy their victims of society …Gosh how could I be so blind . Problem with many …not all , but many young blacks is that unlike a lazy white person they fall back on the race card , and blame society for their lack of having things ,and not themselves for not doing anything to achieve anything …
It’s just so much easier to look in the mirror , and blame society ,And the “WHITE” man for for not amounting to S@#T rather than saying I haven’t done jack SH#T to amount to anything . Until this self pittying behavior stops Aand blacks take responsibility for creating their own futures they will never be on an “EQUAL” playing field , And the situation is self imposed .
[quote]Professor X wrote:
simon-hecubus wrote:
malonetd wrote:
I never really got Sienfeld and only laughed at a few episodes, so I’m not really a fan anyway. I did think he was great in UHF, though.
Waitaminute, waitaminute. You “got” UHF but you didn’t get Seinfeld?! You sir, get the “WTF?!?! of the Week” award.
Richards has long been a dick. Known to explode at anyone asking for an autograph.
I never did like Seinfeld. The humor was always lame and based on some ordinary act in life that they would then blow up into a full hour show. My guess is, there will be many more who drop it from their list of “greatest shows” after this one.[/quote]
I don’t think so. Personally, I think that is the beauty of the show. They made everyday occurences funny. I thought it was funny. Richards, however, is a loon. Racist, but there was also something hugely creepy to him and that whole episode. To me, he looked high as well. Not drunk but on coke or some other amphetamine. That of course, is no excuse for the way he was acting.
[quote]Kiwigeezer wrote:
Hell guys, why does a simple thread have to turn into an argument about black vs white.
Cant we just agree that Michael richards is clearly a dick for what he said and no ass kissing Letterman apology will make me think differently now.
Broad generalisations about race have no value here.
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Right. I was half-expecting people to come out and say that it ‘wasn’t that bad.’ T-Nation always delivers. It was atrocious. And the general state of race relations has no bearing on it, either way.
[quote]GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
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Oh I’m sorry those young black kids that choose to sit around all day ,and do nothing with their life ,and then blame “WHITE” society for their have nots …[/quote]
I see the same thing, but it is white kids sitting around blaming George Bush or affirmative action for their problems.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
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Oh I’m sorry those young black kids that choose to sit around all day ,and do nothing with their life ,and then blame “WHITE” society for their have nots …
I see the same thing, but it is white kids sitting around blaming George Bush or affirmative action for their problems.[/quote]
Lazy, stupid people blame everyone else for their own incompetency. I dont think it matters what colour their skin is.
[quote]S8 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
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Oh I’m sorry those young black kids that choose to sit around all day ,and do nothing with their life ,and then blame “WHITE” society for their have nots …
I see the same thing, but it is white kids sitting around blaming George Bush or affirmative action for their problems.
Lazy, stupid people blame everyone else for their own incompetency. I dont think it matters what colour their skin is.
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Yes , and in my posts you’ll see I’m not saying the mind set is limited to blacks…But what I am saying is that blacks use racism , as their defense for not aspiring to much , As mentioned earlier white kids use Geroge Busch , as their crutch …
But it’s not politicaly in correct to set them straigt by saying they are F.O.S and just lazy , But in the case of blacks if you say anything other than it’s not your fault it’s society every P.C. doucebag , and black person that fits the stero type jump up in arms and shout racism .
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
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Oh I’m sorry those young black kids that choose to sit around all day ,and do nothing with their life ,and then blame “WHITE” society for their have nots …
I see the same thing, but it is white kids sitting around blaming George Bush or affirmative action for their problems.[/quote]
Yes ,And I have never said that lack of work ethic was specific to black people …But in the case of white kids ,and non minorities it’t ok to call it like you see it…LAZY …But When it’s a minority such as black it’s not P.C. to say anything other than it’s not his/her fault it’s a racist society that did it to them .