Kosovo Declares Independence

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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All I thought of was how long before independent states start springing up all over Europe. We have let far too many immigrants into our borders already, they outbreed the indigenous population, and they make no effort to integrate, instead living as colonists in their own independent ghettos. In the case of the UK, specifically those from the Indian subcontinent.

I was friends with a guy who was in KFOR during the Kosovo war and he witnessed lines of ethnic Albanians being marched into a sawmill to be butchered. His unit were forced to watch as the Serb military held their convoy up with AA guns before letting them move on.

So I don’t have a lot of respect for the actions of the Serbs, human beings don’t put each other into wood chippers. But two wrongs don’t make a right, and I don’t see why albania was allowed to take over a large part of a country that houses the majority of a nation’s holy shrines and then declare independence. This inevitably is going to lead to a future war.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Well, Serbian rioters have burned our embassy in Belgrade…

Breitbart News Network [/quote]

Also, a charred body was found on the embassy premises as well. Croatian, Bosnian, UK, Turkish and Belgian embassies were also attacked, some of them burned. Shops and offices of Western companies are also being ransacked, not to mention bakeries and ice-cream parlours of ethnic Albanians and Muslims.

It is pretty obvious that the protests are orchestrated by the current prime minister, Vojislav Kostunica, who decided to switch sides yet again and throw his lot with his old pals from the Milosevic goverment, the Radical party (ultra-nationalists) led by the war crimes suspect Vojislav Seselj, currently undergoing trial in the Hague. The former poster-boy of the West, president Boris Tadic went to Romania to distance himself from the rioting. He just issued some meek proclamations against “excessive hooliganism”.

Another ominous development is that among the targets, besides western embassies and businesses, are local branches of the Liberal-Democratic Party (LDP), the only true pro-Western party in Serbia.

They are labeled as “traitors” and there are some reports that even the apartment of LDP’s president, Cedomir Jovanovic was attacked. The liberal tv station B92 is also receiving death treats and accusations that they are “pro-Albanian”.

I guess the old Milosevic cadre is using the time-tested approach - create a national emergency to draw attention away from corruption and economic hardship. This way, everyone opposing the new nationalist coalition is labeled a traitor, “Shiptar” or a CIA mercenary.

I mean, Milosevic started four wars in the Balkans for exactly the same reasons.

Argentinian junta and the Falklands, anyone?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
But Turkey is also likely to re-raise the issue as to why the EU and United States do not formally recognize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Like Kosovo, it, too, is an ethnically homogeneous community that declared independence 25 years ago. [/quote]

One word: Kurdistan.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
The Albanians were Muslim servants of the Turkish sultan and collaborators with Adolph Hitler. He had an Albanian Waffen SS division. They’ve been oppressing the Christian Serbs for a long time and deserved to be kicked out of Kosovo for illegally immigrating there in the first place. For shame that we bombed Christian Serbs in favor of Muslim terrorists (the KLA).[/quote]

Uhhh… Having a Waffen SS division is not proof of a nation’s inherent “evilness”. The French had one (SS Division Charlemagne), the Finns, the Dutch, and even the orderly Belgians had TWO (SS Division Flandern and SS Division Wallonien)

As far as the Albanian SS division (Skenderbeg) is concerned, it was disbanded soon after creation because most of the forcibly conscripted Albanian peasants deserted. It was just another German desperate attempt to show was against USSR as an “international struggle against Bolshevism”.

Anyway, although Albanians, with their introvert tribal customs and behaviors are not the nicest of people, it is without any doubt that they were on the receiving end of each successive power in the Balkans, whether they were Ottomans, Byzantines or Serbs.

Albanians never even got into a position to suppress anyone, mostly because everybody else was busy supressing them. They sort of just got in the way of everyone.

Interestingly, despite chants “Kosovo is Serbian”, Kosovo was under Serb rule for just two relatively short periods - the medieval Serbian kingdom of King Dusan (until 1389) and 1912-1999 first as a part of Kingdom of Serbia until 1918, after that in Yugoslavia.

Not to mention that after the Serbian conquest of Kosovo in 1912, the local Albanian population was also a problem back then. The Serbian goverment was at pains to devise a new administation for the conquered province, because “it was populated by Albanians, who are ny their national background unfit for any governing or administrative body”.

Only Tito’s Yugoslavia did some token actions to try to hide this blatant racism, by promoting young Albanian communist cadres. One of those cadres, Azem Vllasi, after being imprisoned by Milosevic in the late 1980’s got his revenge now a an advisor to the Kosovo goverment.

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US, NATO, and the EU. Nation breakers and makers.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
But Turkey is also likely to re-raise the issue as to why the EU and United States do not formally recognize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Like Kosovo, it, too, is an ethnically homogeneous community that declared independence 25 years ago.

One word: Kurdistan.[/quote]

Hey, why not? Let’s make a trend of it.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
But Turkey is also likely to re-raise the issue as to why the EU and United States do not formally recognize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Like Kosovo, it, too, is an ethnically homogeneous community that declared independence 25 years ago.

One word: Kurdistan.

Hey, why not? Let’s make a trend of it.[/quote]

I’m all for it. I’m one of the few Moroccans who actually support the Sahraouis’ right to self-determination. I could get literraly jailed and tortured for that position. I know of at least 4 charges that are brought against every Moroccan who supports that. Of course, it doesn’t help that the Western Sahara is home to most of the natural resources of the kingdom.

I am also a fervent supporter of the Catalans’ cause.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
But Turkey is also likely to re-raise the issue as to why the EU and United States do not formally recognize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Like Kosovo, it, too, is an ethnically homogeneous community that declared independence 25 years ago.

One word: Kurdistan.

Hey, why not? Let’s make a trend of it.[/quote]

Didn’t take long.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7258323.stm

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Quickly, someone recognize a Kurdish nation! And let’s not forget the Basque! And, maybe, in the not so distant future, Taiwan! Or, Mexifornia?

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If we get started right away, maybe we can achieve this in a generation or two.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
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You’re missing my point, Sloth.

The article you quoted claims Turkey will raise the Northern Cyprus dossier. That ain’t happening. If anything, Kosovo’s independence is making Ankara sweat.

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I’m just granting independence wherever it’s wanted, Lixy. Hoping the idea will strike the fancy of some of the Christian brothers in…not so friendly regions. Places where their numbers slowly dwindle under a 2nd class, and often dangerous, social status. Just following the trend.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m just granting independence wherever it’s wanted, Lixy. Hoping the idea will strike the fancy of some of the Christian brothers in…not so friendly regions. Places where their numbers slowly dwindle under a 2nd class, and often dangerous, social status. Just following the trend.[/quote]

In case you didn’t notice, I totally agree with that point. But somehow I thought you were being sarcastic with your “Mexifornia” line. Were you not?

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My brother did a Tour in Bosnia-Herzogovinia during Clinton’s war. From his perspective to be completely honest. He said there is a rich history in the region, and long reaching legacy of injustice but above all…The Balkans are like Mississippi only about 2000x more hoosier. He said the main problem is that it is all like a bunch of hard set rednecks who hate eachother.

Think Mississippi and Louisiana as a historic region, with Anglos, Blacks, and Frenchies all talking about their qualms with eachother with everyone blaming their poverty on history.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I’m just granting independence wherever it’s wanted, Lixy. Hoping the idea will strike the fancy of some of the Christian brothers in…not so friendly regions. Places where their numbers slowly dwindle under a 2nd class, and often dangerous, social status. Just following the trend.

In case you didn’t notice, I totally agree with that point. But somehow I thought you were being sarcastic with your “Mexifornia” line. Were you not?[/quote]

Hah! Well there is Atzlan and reconquista ideology.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I’m just granting independence wherever it’s wanted, Lixy. Hoping the idea will strike the fancy of some of the Christian brothers in…not so friendly regions. Places where their numbers slowly dwindle under a 2nd class, and often dangerous, social status. Just following the trend.

In case you didn’t notice, I totally agree with that point. But somehow I thought you were being sarcastic with your “Mexifornia” line. Were you not?[/quote]

Oh, now it looks like the Christian majority in Kosova want their independence from Kosovo! Fasten your seat belts, could be a rough ride.

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
My brother did a Tour in Bosnia-Herzogovinia during Clinton’s war. From his perspective to be completely honest. He said there is a rich history in the region, and long reaching legacy of injustice but above all…The Balkans are like Mississippi only about 2000x more hoosier. He said the main problem is that it is all like a bunch of hard set rednecks who hate eachother.

Think Mississippi and Louisiana as a historic region, with Anglos, Blacks, and Frenchies all talking about their qualms with eachother with everyone blaming their poverty on history.
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The problem is that there are no ‘pure’ nation on Balkans. Almost every nation has its minority in other balkan countries.

Now its interesting what will happen with Makedonia…

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Ha, Russia is rejecting the New Albanian State of Kosovo. You don’t hear any muslims bitching about this do you?

The Russians killed more muslims throughout history than any other people, but the muslims love 'um.

Maybe it’s all the AK-s and rockets they use to pick off Israelis.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Ha, Russia is rejecting the New Albanian State of Kosovo. You don’t hear any muslims bitching about this do you?

The Russians killed more muslims throughout history than any other people, but the muslims love 'um. [/quote]

Chechen Muslims don’t.

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I think you’re confusing Islamic gov’ts with Muslims themselves.

Most gov’ts of Muslim countries are willing to be very diplomatic and cooperative. They’ve been particularly forgiving to Russia considering the history of the Soviet aggression and Russian impersalism in the Middle East…

At the same time most Muslim extremists HATE Russia and Russians.

The same Muhajideen who are in Iraq are also in Chechnya.