Retract, for now.
If evidence of nature’s morality exists in babies, then the KKK has it mostly right?’
Sloth, I think this study just goes to demonstrate that humans, even very young ones, tend to like people who resemble themselves, and dislike people who don’t. Explains both the mechanism of natural selection and racism, in a single stroke.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’ll try to find it later, but I saw another study several months ago concerning babies and morality.
They preferred the helpful puppet more than the puppet who would take the other puppets’ stuff. Well, yeah. The baby doesn’t want his stuff taken.
But when the stealing puppet would give that stuff to the baby? They preferred the stealing puppet.
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And this study explains the existence of the Democratic Party.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’ll try to find it later, but I saw another study several months ago concerning babies and morality.
They preferred the helpful puppet more than the puppet who would take the other puppets’ stuff. Well, yeah. The baby doesn’t want his stuff taken.
But when the stealing puppet would give that stuff to the baby? They preferred the stealing puppet.
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And this study explains the existence of the Democratic Party. [/quote]
Rofl. To be fair, I’ve deleted this, because I want to be certain I’m not misremembering the study.
Anyways. A full 25% don’t choose the “good” (our label) guys. And for those that do? Why? Well, they’re going to choose the least likely to mess with THEIR stuff. But what if the baby is convinced that a particular puppet won’t take his stuff, through some kind of demonstration. And only the stuff of others. I might prefer 2 guys who won’t turn around and steal from me, on my own burglary crew. Guys with a good reputation. But the no stealing thing only applies inside the crew.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’ll try to find it later, but I saw another study several months ago concerning babies and morality.
They preferred the helpful puppet more than the puppet who would take the other puppets’ stuff. Well, yeah. The baby doesn’t want his stuff taken.
But when the stealing puppet would give that stuff to the baby? They preferred the stealing puppet.
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And this study explains the existence of the Democratic Party. [/quote]
I thought public choice theory explained the Democratic Party.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Sloth, I think this study just goes to demonstrate that humans, even very young ones, tend to like people who resemble themselves, and dislike people who don’t. Explains both the mechanism of natural selection and racism, in a single stroke. [/quote]
Sure. Look, it’s seems easy to point at babies and say “see we’re biologically prone to goodness.” Forget for a second any questions about projecting “goodness” on this or that baby action.
The studies don’t seem to say much about why the babies chose the “good” puppets. And, I believe 25% didn’t even choose him. Still, why did they choose them? Because the baby wanted to see what was in the box being slammed shut? And, not because the puppet who had been trying to open it had some inherent value, or right, to open that box? Did he not choose the “bad” puppet because, if given the chance, that puppet wouldn’t return something of the baby’s? What if the “bad” puppet always took the ball, but now brought it to the baby, for the baby? Would he choose the “bad” puppet now? Would we then concede that the bad puppet must be the good puppet, since the baby is now choosing him?
What these studies tell me is that babies are capable of choosing comrades and forming a group. From two member to an untold amount. What these groups do with others, is at their discretion. And, apparently, it is often not to the outside members benefit.
What I see are actions in these studies. Not determination of what is good or evil. That’s us labeling which of the babies’ actions are ‘good’ or ‘evil.’ Otherwise, bigotry is good? Hey, even a baby can do it.
[quote]theBeth wrote:
Just thought I’d make a positive contribution.
that is all. Carry on.[/quote]
State your stance. Pro-life or pro-abortion?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
Just thought I’d make a positive contribution.
that is all. Carry on.[/quote]
State your stance. Pro-life or pro-abortion?[/quote]
Personally Pro life. I was at that crossroads once. That is a purely personal perspective. In regards to what others do, i can only think that they are sparing the infant from being raised in a bad situation. But I wouldn’t know till I walk a mile in their shoes, only God can judge. Choosing abortion in most cases shows a severe lack of personal responsibility. It’s “convenience killing”
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
Just thought I’d make a positive contribution.
that is all. Carry on.[/quote]
State your stance. Pro-life or pro-abortion?[/quote]
Personally Pro life. I was at that crossroads once. That is a purely personal perspective. In regards to what others do, i can only think that they are sparing the infant from being raised in a bad situation. But I wouldn’t know till I walk a mile in their shoes, only God can judge. Choosing abortion in most cases shows a severe lack of personal responsibility. It’s “convenience killing”[/quote]
I think God judged. And, I think we can judge the morality of actions.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
Just thought I’d make a positive contribution.
that is all. Carry on.[/quote]
State your stance. Pro-life or pro-abortion?[/quote]
Personally Pro life. I was at that crossroads once. That is a purely personal perspective. In regards to what others do, i can only think that they are sparing the infant from being raised in a bad situation. But I wouldn’t know till I walk a mile in their shoes, only God can judge. Choosing abortion in most cases shows a severe lack of personal responsibility. It’s “convenience killing”[/quote]
I think God judged. And, I think we can judge the morality of actions. [/quote]
Matt 7:1-3
7 â??Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 â??Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brotherâ??s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
John 8:7
7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, â??Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.â??
Brother Chris, watch out when Judging someone. I did this to at one time, but now I allow the Holy Spirit to change someone’s heart. Only God can change someone, not us.
“Get your stinkin’ paws off my pina colada, you damn dirty human!”
[quote]theBeth wrote:
Just thought I’d make a positive contribution.
that is all. Carry on.[/quote]
What’s interesting about that photo is it provides a link not only to my rather convoluted bonobo rights parable, but also to the baby studies that Sloth referenced.
During the filming of the original Planet of the Apes movie with Charlton Heston, it took so long to apply and remove the prosthetics, that the actors would often spend the entire day in “apeface”. During lunchtime, an interesting phenomenon was observed: regardless of any previous friendships or associations, the actors would always naturally settle into four groups to eat: the chimps, the gorillas, the orangutans, and the humans.
We seek out people who look like us, and we avoid people who don’t. Even when the differences between us are, quite literally, cosmetic.
All kinds of odd things like this coming to the forefront regarding the Brain where all this
all begins, and they’re just BEGININNG to understand on the neurological level, like
‘‘Mirror Neurons’’, tricking our Brains into feelling happy by fake smiling, etc. etc.
Tip of the iceberg stuff, and more books about the Brain and it’s various discoveries
about that Grapefruit sized Mass in our heads in the last 10 years than in the last 5000 years.
But forget the Monkeys…Where we’re REALLY headed toward that’s gonna affect everyone
inthe next 20-years is “TransHumanism”…But something tells me this Iron and Clay mix just
won’t cleave together successfully, but it’s not gonna stop them from trying, and trying…
…lets cut the mustard, FUCK the Monkeys, they’re passe’, the World’s on the precipice of some massive
changes.
[quote]H factor wrote:
“Take your son, your only son, yes, Isaac, whom you love so much?and go to the land of Moriah. Go and sacrifice him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will show you.”
Does this end with God saying Jesus Christ you idiots will do anything “for” me won’t you?
Oh we’re talking about different killing babies? [/quote]
If your god tells you to sacrifice your kid, tell the god to fuck off. Most likely you are hallucinated and need help before you hurt anyone.
This Louis CK clip is a good retelling of that story 
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fea_1348984287
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
Just thought I’d make a positive contribution.
that is all. Carry on.[/quote]
State your stance. Pro-life or pro-abortion?[/quote]
Personally Pro life. I was at that crossroads once. That is a purely personal perspective. In regards to what others do, i can only think that they are sparing the infant from being raised in a bad situation. But I wouldn’t know till I walk a mile in their shoes, only God can judge. Choosing abortion in most cases shows a severe lack of personal responsibility. It’s “convenience killing”[/quote]
I think God judged. And, I think we can judge the morality of actions. [/quote]
Matt 7:1-3
7 â??Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 â??Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brotherâ??s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
John 8:7
7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, â??Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.â??
Brother Chris, watch out when Judging someone. I did this to at one time, but now I allow the Holy Spirit to change someone’s heart. Only God can change someone, not us.
[/quote]
I don’t pass judgement on persons. I judge actions though. That is what God gave us “reason” for. We can also tell people that things are wrong to do. I’m not in any mortal danger if I judge actions, just as I’m not in mortal danger if I don’t pass judgement on someone’s eternal state.
[quote]espenl wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
“Take your son, your only son, yes, Isaac, whom you love so much?and go to the land of Moriah. Go and sacrifice him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will show you.”
Does this end with God saying Jesus Christ you idiots will do anything “for” me won’t you?
Oh we’re talking about different killing babies? [/quote]
If your god tells you to sacrifice your kid, tell the god to fuck off. Most likely you are hallucinated and need help before you hurt anyone.
This Louis CK clip is a good retelling of that story
[/quote]
Obvious troll is obvious?
I work in acute psychiatry, and these things happens. People killing their kids or spouses because their god or voices told them to.
On the pro life case, we get people that werent aborted, but told from they were very little that they should have been, and has lived trough 60 years of psychic hell because they were unwanted and treated as such.
The focus should be more on teaching kids how not to make babies when having sex.
[quote]espenl wrote:
I work in acute psychiatry, and these things happens. People killing their kids or spouses because their god or voices told them to.
On the pro life case, we get people that werent aborted, but told from they were very little that they should have been, and has lived trough 60 years of psychic hell because they were unwanted and treated as such.
The focus should be more on teaching kids how not to make babies when having sex.[/quote]
I know what you are trying to say.
Lets change it up a bit. The focus should be more on teaching kids not to have sex until they are ready to have and pay for babies. Safe Sex is not 100% safe. Abstinence is 100% safe.
I know I know but boys cant keep it in the their pants, and girls are just looking for a baby daddy.