Just wondering if anyone has kickstarted Trt with dbol or anavar, I’m thinking of getting anavar just to push through the first 6 weeks of dreads that people talk about.
Would be handy to drop some extra fat to, any thoughts?
I would do dbol and anavar intravenously to kick start and then add some tren (to drop kick everything in). After about 3 months I’d add some deca for another 4 months. Once I’m jacked I’d go with a weak ass 500mg test TRT dose.
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A few knob heads at my gym already recommended this
Yeah I probably shouldn’t post 5 shots in. New Orleans is a little different. Sorry about that
Have a good time mate
No…
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So, like, 100-200mg Test and however much dbol or anavar per week for 6 weeks… followed by 100-200mg Test indefinitely. That’s a short-term steroid blast followed by an extremely long cruise. Calling it “kickstarted TRT” is just a euphemism.
What’s your training and nutrition plan?
Current height, weight, and general bodyfat?
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While I obviously agree that “TRT + Dbol or anavar” is a steroid cycle and not legit TRT, this thread is most appropriate here because the guy seems genuinely interested in a TRT protocol (based on his previous threads/questions) and correcting his misinformation may be useful to others in the future.
But, yep, generally these types of “not actually TRT” threads belong in the Pharma forum.
I’m already a week in on trt and was hoping to do a mild 30mg dose of anavar up until the 6 week mark. I’m 112kg 6 foot and 20 to 25 percent (I hope I’m exaggerating)
I train almost everyday, basic two muscle groups a day 5 different lifts for big 2 for smaller muscle groups, 3 sets for 12 to just short of burn out.
With nutrition I don’t count macros but eat alot of veriety and try to do IF fasting most days with a full day fast once a month
Can this post be moved to pharma if possible?
At 112 kg 6’ and 25 percent bf means you have a fat free mass index (ffmi) of 25.2. 25 is a very high ffmi! It is possible naturally, but very difficult. At 20 percent, you would have an ffmi of 26.9.
For reference pre steroid era bodybuilders from the 40s (think guys like John Grimek) had an average ffmi if 24.
Not saying you are not 20 percent bf, but if so, congrats!
Fwiw, my ffmi is 24 (only trt), but there is a huge difference between 24 and almost 27! For me to move from 24 ffmi to 27, I would have to add an additional 25 lbs of muscle.
I don’t know my exact bf percent, its just generally going off Google images bf reference pictures. I must say I am genetically blessed when it comes to stacking on size. It has slowed up in recent years and has been difficult for doctors to prescribe trt as they think I just want steroids
I mean…
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Why dbol? It’s all about halotestin for those immediate 50lb gains on the squat.
So you’re carrying significant bodyfat, doing poorly designed workouts, not following any organized, goal-focused diet, and want to dive into a steroid cycle after a whole seven days on TRT.
I was wrong when I said earlier that you seemed genuinely interested in a TRT protocol. You want a shortcut to do the work that would come from legit TRT, proper diet and training, and patience.
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I’m confused about the poorly designed workouts, not all of us can drop everything and purely focus on gym nutrition etc
I’m trying to balance uni, a week old baby and a full time job as a plumber.
Have you never wanted to get on top of shit in your own lives and you will do whatever it takes. And what’s wrong with short cuts, it could possibly psychologically lead me in the right to get onto of these things you mention I’m not doing right.
I feel I have been at a pretty low point in general the way the mind/body functions. I feel like I have not done anything overly wrong to impact me to be like this at a young age of 29.
I hope you can understand and use your knowledge to guide people in the right direction and stop blowing your own egos trumpets.
Also after a week and a few days I feel that my joints and tendon pain is being relived but I could be that I have scrapped the max weight low rep crap and started back at light weights doing minimum 12 reps and slowly building a base again but who knows which one is the reason why.
If you don’t get diet and workout in proper order, you will end up just being a sloppy looking guy on gear. In order for the gear to work, you need to have the other areas in check.
People are just being brutally honest with you.
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Addressing those two things are actually Step One when it comes to improving health and physique. Nobody said you need to “drop everything”. You just need to use a better plan.
For sure that’s a lot to juggle, and congrats on the baby, but there are plenty of effective training plans that require two workouts per week (like this) or only 15-20 minute sessions a few days a week (like these) instead of trying to fit in four or five 90-minute workouts per week.
Nutrition is just as simple with bare minimum planning. This is a basic approach.
You don’t install a top of the line sink and faucet when the pipes underneath are rusted and leaking. You address the unsexy, boring, fundamental problems first. Nevermind the fact that, by crossing from TRT into steroids, you’re introducing a huge legality issue. Getting busted would sort of interrupt school, family, and work.
Honestly, I’m thinking that running a cycle at 22 likely started the whole snowball. Gaining 20+ pounds of mostly bodyfat in the last two years hasn’t helped anything. Sorry to sound like a dick, but yeah. The bright side is that both of those things are fixable with work, as previously mentioned.
Joint pain definitely sucks and can screw up training, but your current plan (what we’ve heard about it) doesn’t really sound too joint-friendly due to excessive volume. You don’t need five exercises per bodypart.
Bro, if I could blow my own trumpet, I’d never leave the house. Wait, what?
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So you reckon that for example on chest day, bench press, incline press, incline flyers, pec Dec and push ups, tris push downs and single arm extensions is bad at 3 sets of 12 to 18(max) is bad.
I understand the importance of diet, I have been training for 13 years done so many bulks (regrets) and cuts with out counting macros. I seem to be able to judge off what I’m eating if it’s to much or not enough.
I’m really doing this for therapeutic benifit like energy, stop the roller coaster of emotions.
In my head I really didn’t think 30mg of var for 4 weeks was crossing completely over to the dark side.