Kerry to Call for IMPEACHMENT

Joe Weider wrote:
“don’t forget that Bush is not the only one to say “WMD”. The UN did, Clinton did, every “D” Senator who’s now attacking Bush for it signed onto it…”

Joe, one of the tactics used by the looney left is to assert that W. somehow had “extra intelligence” that the dem leadership did not have.

When reading the previous dem quotes on this thread, you can see clearly that many dem comments were made prior to W. taking office.

In order for the above argument to indict W., the dems would have to assert that clinton’s and his top advisors also didn’t have the “extra intelligence” when they made their assertions of the obvious.

It all boils down to this: The dems believed the exact same thing as W. Most voted to authorize military action. They lost the election in every conceivable way. Now they are throwing very clumsy haymakers.

Their silly little games make them look very amateurish.

JeffR

[quote]The Red1 wrote:
in that case they are all wrong. Being wrong and lying are two different things. This is about whether or not he lied. Not whether or not he was wrong. [/quote]

WOW!

So Clinton was wrong. Reid, Pelosi and Kerry and Edwards were wrong…but GWB LIED dammit…

[quote]JeffR wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
“don’t forget that Bush is not the only one to say “WMD”. The UN did, Clinton did, every “D” Senator who’s now attacking Bush for it signed onto it…”

Joe, one of the tactics used by the looney left is to assert that W. somehow had “extra intelligence” that the dem leadership did not have.

When reading the previous dem quotes on this thread, you can see clearly that many dem comments were made prior to W. taking office.

In order for the above argument to indict W., the dems would have to assert that clinton’s and his top advisors also didn’t have the “extra intelligence” when they made their assertions of the obvious.

It all boils down to this: The dems believed the exact same thing as W. Most voted to authorize military action. They lost the election in every conceivable way. Now they are throwing very clumsy haymakers.

Their silly little games make them look very amateurish.

JeffR

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The best part of that is that GWB was inviting top “D’s” to his intel briefings as a gesture of goodwill.

Tards.

[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
don’t forget that Bush is not the only one to say “WMD”. The UN did, Clinton did, every “D” Senator who’s now attacking Bush for it signed onto it…[/quote]

Though presumably it was because they thought that there WERE WMDs. That’s the whole issue here. If the intelligence were falsified in order to bring about a specific course of action, that IS an issue.

I agree that Kerry is a bit of a pansy, and it’s going to look bad if he calls for the impeachment, but I for one would be interested to find out the results of an investigation.

[quote]graphicsMan wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
don’t forget that Bush is not the only one to say “WMD”. The UN did, Clinton did, every “D” Senator who’s now attacking Bush for it signed onto it…

Though presumably it was because they thought that there WERE WMDs. That’s the whole issue here. If the intelligence were falsified in order to bring about a specific course of action, that IS an issue.

I agree that Kerry is a bit of a pansy, and it’s going to look bad if he calls for the impeachment, but I for one would be interested to find out the results of an investigation.[/quote]

except it’s the SAME intelligence that Clinton and the UN had and used.

[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
The Red1 wrote:
in that case they are all wrong. Being wrong and lying are two different things. This is about whether or not he lied. Not whether or not he was wrong.

WOW!

So Clinton was wrong. Reid, Pelosi and Kerry and Edwards were wrong…but GWB LIED dammit…

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no, Kerry wants to investigate whether or not he lied. So far everybody who said Iraq had weapons of mass distruction is wrong.

[quote]The Red1 wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
The Red1 wrote:
in that case they are all wrong. Being wrong and lying are two different things. This is about whether or not he lied. Not whether or not he was wrong.

WOW!

So Clinton was wrong. Reid, Pelosi and Kerry and Edwards were wrong…but GWB LIED dammit…

no, Kerry wants to investigate whether or not he lied. So far everybody who said Iraq had weapons of mass distruction is wrong.

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So…since Kerry had the same intel and voted for the war, shouldn’t he be investigating himself?

Having that info, and falsifying it are two different things…

[quote]graphicsMan wrote:
Having that info, and falsifying it are two different things…[/quote]

I’ll try to say this slowwwwwwllllyyyyy:

Kerry and the other dem senators had access to the same raw intel that GWB had.
RAW INTEL.

That would be the same intel Clinton cited.

Ok, Ok. You can tell that maybe I didn’t taking typing in high school! ha! Math and science were more of a priority!
Typing is more like a hunt and peck session for me.
Thanks Zeb!

But calling me a dweeb? I have seen the photos of some of you and you really don’t want to start comparing with me. If we do, the dweeb comment will be highly embarrassing to you.

And I realize Clinton didn’t loose elections. But democrats since then have perfected that action. If you can’t see the humor in their “golden boys” name and what I was saying that is evident, then you are in denial.
Democrat, democratic voter…losers no matter how you phrase it!
Start winning instead of whining and you can change that!

[quote]Montrosefan wrote:
Ok, Ok. You can tell that maybe I didn’t taking typing in high school! ha! Math and science were more of a priority!
Typing is more like a hunt and peck session for me.
Thanks Zeb!

But calling me a dweeb? I have seen the photos of some of you and you really don’t want to start comparing with me. If we do, the dweeb comment will be highly embarrassing to you.

And I realize Clinton didn’t loose elections. But democrats since then have perfected that action. If you can’t see the humor in their “golden boys” name and what I was saying that is evident, then you are in denial.
Democrat, democratic voter…losers no matter how you phrase it!
Start winning instead of whining and you can change that![/quote]

Just don’t criticize any aspect of the fine leftward tilting brothers here…cause they will kill you for that, too.
Ahh the left.
The party of compassion and inclusion.

[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
Just don’t criticize any aspect of the fine leftward tilting brothers here…cause they will kill you for that, too.
Ahh the left.
The party of compassion and inclusion.[/quote]

Yes, and the following is pretty compassionate too! As somebody in neither party, I can tell you, it comes in pretty thick from both sides…

[quote]Democrat, democratic voter…losers no matter how you phrase it!
Start winning instead of whining and you can change that![/quote]

[quote]vroom wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
Just don’t criticize any aspect of the fine leftward tilting brothers here…cause they will kill you for that, too.
Ahh the left.
The party of compassion and inclusion.

Yes, and the following is pretty compassionate too! As somebody in neither party, I can tell you, it comes in pretty thick from both sides…

Democrat, democratic voter…losers no matter how you phrase it!
Start winning instead of whining and you can change that![/quote]

You’re not going to start that “I’m a follower of neither party” crap again are you?

[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
“don’t forget that Bush is not the only one to say “WMD”. The UN did, Clinton did, every “D” Senator who’s now attacking Bush for it signed onto it…”

Joe, one of the tactics used by the looney left is to assert that W. somehow had “extra intelligence” that the dem leadership did not have.

When reading the previous dem quotes on this thread, you can see clearly that many dem comments were made prior to W. taking office.

In order for the above argument to indict W., the dems would have to assert that clinton’s and his top advisors also didn’t have the “extra intelligence” when they made their assertions of the obvious.

It all boils down to this: The dems believed the exact same thing as W. Most voted to authorize military action. They lost the election in every conceivable way. Now they are throwing very clumsy haymakers.

Their silly little games make them look very amateurish.

JeffR

The best part of that is that GWB was inviting top “D’s” to his intel briefings as a gesture of goodwill.

Tards.

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Joe, you ask for respect and then look you resort to calling those who disagree with you tards. Don’t cry anymore about mudslinging.

To address your point about the raw Intel that everybody had, the main difference is that yours truly dubya is the one who took us to war over it. Clinton and other senators Republican and Democrat thought that Saddam may have had WMD’s as has been stated before we gave him much of THE chemical and biological weapons he had.

The difference is in the interpretation of said raw Intel. To feel that he had the capability to throw some anthrax or mustard gas laden artillery shells at his enemies on the field of battle is understandable. Remember even his scuds during the first gulf war were blind lobs into Israel.

To compare that to the imminent threat that he could launch an attack on American shores like the Bush Cheney administration was feeding the public was an outright manipulation to sway the American people. Remember Condy saying Saddam could launch a WMD attack on American shores within 45 minutes. Pure bullshit!

Combine that with the mood after 9/11 which was so brilliantly capitalized on by Cheney and Bush. At that time anyone Repub or Dem who dared go against the grain would have been committing political suicide. So you had a bunch of pussy assed dems trying to survive and not having the balls to call bullshit on this administration that was running amok!

Al Gore was one of the few who had the balls to speak up true he had nothing to lose, but at least he spoke up, more then I can say for that pussy Kerry. But the slander machine of the neocons made sure to label and stamp anyone who spoke up against the administration as “crazy” “loony” “out of their minds”.

Now three years later when none of their bullshit panned out none of it. They still look make themselves look clean and have cheerleaders like you guys perpetuating their lies.

Oh, and Montrosefan get those awe inspiring pics up we want to see em! Also, if you are going to make a post calling people losers you should get the spelling right no matter how much your war hawk brothers here want to cover for you.

Sorry Elk, I wasn’t labeling anyone here as a tard, I should’ve made that more clear. The tard comment was directed at the wacky lib leadership who signed off on the whole war issue and yet try to play it as though they didn’t.

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Also, if you are going to make a post calling people losers you should get the spelling right no matter how much your war hawk brothers here want to cover for you.

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ummm…Elk…I hate this, but didn’t you post a while ago about someone’s lack of intelligence while you mis-spelled Karl Rove’s name?

Typos happen. Mistakes happen.
C’mon!

Besides which, there’s raw intel and then there’s raw intel. Who’s to say what Clinton and the others saw? You know, somebody’s daddy was the head of the CIA? He also at some point played real nice with the guys over there in the middle east. As did other members of the current administration.

I personally wouldn’t trust the Bush administration with anything that wasn’t a bible quote.

[quote]graphicsMan wrote:
Besides which, there’s raw intel and then there’s raw intel. Who’s to say what Clinton and the others saw? You know, somebody’s daddy was the head of the CIA? He also at some point played real nice with the guys over there in the middle east. As did other members of the current administration.

I personally wouldn’t trust the Bush administration with anything that wasn’t a bible quote.[/quote]

Mike?
Mike Moore? Izzat you???

[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
Also, if you are going to make a post calling people losers you should get the spelling right no matter how much your war hawk brothers here want to cover for you.

ummm…Elk…I hate this, but didn’t you post a while ago about someone’s lack of intelligence while you mis-spelled Karl Rove’s name?

Typos happen. Mistakes happen.
C’mon!
[/quote]

Ummm…Joe…Misspelling Carl Rove’s name in a post and calling a group of people losers and misspelling loser is a bit of a difference Joe!

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
Also, if you are going to make a post calling people losers you should get the spelling right no matter how much your war hawk brothers here want to cover for you.

ummm…Elk…I hate this, but didn’t you post a while ago about someone’s lack of intelligence while you mis-spelled Karl Rove’s name?

Typos happen. Mistakes happen.
C’mon!

Ummm…Joe…Misspelling Carl Rove’s name in a post and calling a group of people losers and misspelling loser is a bit of a difference Joe![/quote]

If they aren’t winners what are they then?

Dunno, Elk. I don’t want to have this argument with you–it depresses me.
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