Kerry to Call for IMPEACHMENT

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]graphicsMan wrote:
ZEB wrote:

GREAT! Phew…finally…

We finally have some solid eveidence that President Bush used Cocaine. Alright, now what is it?

Come on I want to hear this, I’ve been hearing about the cocaine rumors for so long from the Bush haters that I have been waiting for a guy like you, to come forward with the goods!

Okay, shoot let’s read the evidence…

Okay, good point. I have no evidence, other than that Bush wouldn’t deny it. It would still be a pretty amazing act for someone to convince me that he’s not a bumbling idiot, just as it would be futile for me to try to convince some of you that he’s a fool, and that his administration has lied. I think this thread is a dead end at this point. If someone actually impeaches Bush, maybe we’ll have more to discuss.

Ciao.[/quote]

I’ll go back to ZEB’s post–

Yale graduate
Military pilot
Gov. of Texas
President of the U.S.

Now, you may not think he’s the mmost intellectual President-and you would get little argument for that sentiment, but if you can’t be convinced that he’s no bumbling idiot----It is you sir, who is the fool.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
graphicsMan wrote:
I said nothing of “liberal”. It may be that vroom is a member of a liberal party in Canada.

Also, I should say that “idiot” was probably a bit of a strong and undeserved word. Probably “unobservant” would have fit the bill better.

“Idiot” should be reserved for real mental giants like GWB.

When you go to Harvard and Yale (score as high as John Kerry in college). Become Governor of the largest state in the Union and get elected to the Presidency not once, but twice
and still get called an “idiot” that is some powerful hate!
[/quote]

Zeb, I will acknowledge the possibility that Dubya made it through college totally on his own merits. Conversely, can you acknowledge the fact that the skids are greased since time immemorial for children of privilege?

Before Dubya ever existed, I bet if someone asked you if extremely wealthy children slid by in Ivy league schools due to their pedigree or Blueblood history you would have said “well, hell yes that happens”, but since Dubya’s been around your stance is everyone makes it through on their own merits.

Come on, you come from one of the wealthiest, most powerful, families in the US, your father I believe was already a powerful man in the CIA, you aren’t going to entertain the possibility that he may have slid in a few tough classes?

I hate to bring up the Devil Clinton again, but for admiration of brainpower alone you gotta give credit where credit is due. A single mother in a poverty stricken household with an alcoholic father rising to the level of Oxford grad. You know there were no skids greased there.

And, Zeb, cool it with the sanctimonious “The Bush haters” or “Your hate is so powerful” crap. The same could be said of you with your evil hatred of anyone who doesn’t bow at the Altar of Bush.

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Oh oh, this is going to open me up for attacks, but Bush hasn’t done anything to show himself as a non-fool.

His record doesn’t mean a whole lot in a world of “it’s not what you know, it’s who you know”.

There are lots of very very intelligent people with squat for a track record.

There are lots of people with very little intelligence who have been your boss or otherwise had a more impressive track record than you. Look back into your own life.

If you want to prove his intelligence, point to something he himself did, or accomplished, without some entourage of people around him helping him get it done.

I’m not claiming he is stupid either, I just don’t think you have anything to stand on either way on this debate except how he presents himself when left to a non-scripted situation.

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Elk

Nobody would presume Bush to be in Clinton’s league intellectually.

In fact, nobody has.

And yes, obviously skids are greased for certain students-(athletes) at times in school. But the man is not an idiot and that is all this new thread and peoples posts are trying to state.

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Elk, just for the record, Clinton never completed the Oxford tour. He was too busy protesting the US in Moscow and not inhaling.

NOT to start a fight with you.

Yes, it’s impressive that he was selected.

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vroom

Admit it, you just got passed up for a promotion to someone you fell less deserving.

Noone has claimed Rhodes Scolar here. This is merely some material that helps support the notion that he is just not a bumblin idiot–as someone else has characterized him.

Nothing more and nothing less.

For the most part I agree with your assertions wrt success not always being intellectually driven. But the facts here are soley intended to show, at least at this level, How equal he was to the person who was regarded as so superior.

And your intellect has little to do with your public speaking ability. Just like some people ‘test’ better than others, some speak.

Let’s leave the article at just what it is–a comparison in time.

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[quote]sasquatch wrote:
Elk

Nobody would presume Bush to be in Clinton’s league intellectually.

In fact, nobody has.

And yes, obviously skids are greased for certain students-(athletes) at times in school. But the man is not an idiot and that is all this new thread and peoples posts are trying to state.

[/quote]

Oh, Sasquatch, I agree. I don’t think he is a total idiot, but by the same token, I don’t think he is a great thinker with the wisdom to be a leader of men.

I feel he is one of those stubborn, concrete, can’t see the forest for the trees, kinda people, who a broad set of circumstances set him in the position of being the most powerful man in the world.

I don’t think that had he been born to lower middle class parents he would have risen to such lofty heights.

And, the Clinton thing wasn’t a comparison on my part to Bush, but rather a comparison to someone rising to Ivy league accomplishments with no resources to grease the skids so to speak.

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[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
Elk, just for the record, Clinton never completed the Oxford tour. He was too busy protesting the US in Moscow and not inhaling.

NOT to start a fight with you.

Yes, it’s impressive that he was selected.

[/quote]

I stand corrected, but as you said to be selected still says much.

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[quote]sasquatch wrote:
vroom

Admit it, you just got passed up for a promotion to someone you fell less deserving.
[/quote]

probably something similar though.

Although, it being vroom and all…he thinks everyone is less deserving.

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[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
graphicsMan wrote:
I said nothing of “liberal”. It may be that vroom is a member of a liberal party in Canada.

Also, I should say that “idiot” was probably a bit of a strong and undeserved word. Probably “unobservant” would have fit the bill better.

“Idiot” should be reserved for real mental giants like GWB.

When you go to Harvard and Yale (score as high as John Kerry in college). Become Governor of the largest state in the Union and get elected to the Presidency not once, but twice
and still get called an “idiot” that is some powerful hate!

Zeb, I will acknowledge the possibility that Dubya made it through college totally on his own merits. Conversely, can you acknowledge the fact that the skids are greased since time immemorial for children of privilege?

Before Dubya ever existed, I bet if someone asked you if extremely wealthy children slid by in Ivy league schools due to their pedigree or Blueblood history you would have said “well, hell yes that happens”, but since Dubya’s been around your stance is everyone makes it through on their own merits.

Come on, you come from one of the wealthiest, most powerful, families in the US, your father I believe was already a powerful man in the CIA, you aren’t going to entertain the possibility that he may have slid in a few tough classes?

I hate to bring up the Devil Clinton again, but for admiration of brainpower alone you gotta give credit where credit is due. A single mother in a poverty stricken household with an alcoholic father rising to the level of Oxford grad. You know there were no skids greased there.

And, Zeb, cool it with the sanctimonious “The Bush haters” or “Your hate is so powerful” crap. The same could be said of you with your evil hatred of anyone who doesn’t bow at the Altar of Bush. [/quote]

Good post Elk.

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Elk,

Good post. I agree with everything you said in it.

That’s a first.

JeffR

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[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
Elk

Nobody would presume Bush to be in Clinton’s league intellectually.

In fact, nobody has.

And yes, obviously skids are greased for certain students-(athletes) at times in school. But the man is not an idiot and that is all this new thread and peoples posts are trying to state.

Oh, Sasquatch, I agree. I don’t think he is a total idiot, but by the same token, I don’t think he is a great thinker with the wisdom to be a leader of men.

I feel he is one of those stubborn, concrete, can’t see the forest for the trees, kinda people, who a broad set of circumstances set him in the position of being the most powerful man in the world.

I don’t think that had he been born to lower middle class parents he would have risen to such lofty heights.

And, the Clinton thing wasn’t a comparison on my part to Bush, but rather a comparison to someone rising to Ivy league accomplishments with no resources to grease the skids so to speak.
[/quote]

Agreed

But why the --Oh, Sasquatch–
Did it hurt that bad to agree with me?

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[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
Elk, just for the record, Clinton never completed the Oxford tour. He was too busy protesting the US in Moscow and not inhaling.

NOT to start a fight with you.

Yes, it’s impressive that he was selected.

[/quote]

Well I’d like to start something,but things are almost–civil–down here right now. We seem to ‘mildly agree’ with one another.

This to shall past!

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Actually George H.W. Bush was a millionaire and had attended Yale, as his father had, for sure two important factors for getting accepted into Yale. But in 1964 when George W. started college his father had just lost an election for a US Senate seat. The only thing he had accomplished politically was becoming the Harris County Republican chairman in 1962. So I don’t know how powerful his family was if he couldn’t even win a Senate seat in his home state. He didn’t become director of the CIA until 1975, well after George W. graduated.

Also, thanks Zeb for calling for proof on the cocaine charge. I think it is one of those myths, ala J Edgar Hoover dressing in drag, that keeps getting repeated by the media and it eventually is accepted as fact. I find it especially hard to belive since all of the invesigative reporters out for Bush’s blood haven’t got a shred of proof.

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[quote]probably something similar though.

Although, it being vroom and all…he thinks everyone is less deserving.[/quote]

Joe, why do you have to jump in out of the blue and be a dickhead like that?

I mean, getting between other people’s banter, pulling out negative comments, and adding insults like that, it detracts from the conversation (especially when I waste my breath replying).

Hell, I managed to step past the attack and it was directed right at me!

Oh, I get it, it’s just a “joke” and you are really just trying so hard to get along with me.

Why are you such an angry and bitter person?

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[quote]graphicsMan wrote:

Okay, good point. I have no evidence.[/quote]

Oh…I get it now, it’s just a matter of how much you can smear a good mans name.

It’s called the politics of “Personal destruction.” If you can’t beat them with the facts and at the polls (and you couldn’t) then you might as well make things up and attempt to drag him down by tarnishing his reputation.

They have a name for that: “Rumor mongering.”

It’s a disgusting practice! I suggest you stop doing it.

Thank you,

Zeb

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FACT: Kerry never uttered the work ‘impeachment’.

NewsMucks pulled this story from Al Jazera’s site and went with it.

The rest is history.

Kerry only stated that he wanted to discuss the so called Downing Street Memo in the Senate on Monday (6/6) and that is all that occured.

This thread is dead as it is based on an event that never occured.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
probably something similar though.

Although, it being vroom and all…he thinks everyone is less deserving.

Joe, why do you have to jump in out of the blue and be a dickhead like that?

I mean, getting between other people’s banter, pulling out negative comments, and adding insults like that, it detracts from the conversation (especially when I waste my breath replying).

Hell, I managed to step past the attack and it was directed right at me!

Oh, I get it, it’s just a “joke” and you are really just trying so hard to get along with me.

Why are you such an angry and bitter person?[/quote]

v

now you know that wasn’t an attack.
That most definately was light hearted banter.
It’s the new Sasquatch
All fun and frivolity-baby

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[quote]CDM wrote:
Actually George H.W. Bush was a millionaire and had attended Yale, as his father had, for sure two important factors for getting accepted into Yale. But in 1964 when George W. started college his father had just lost an election for a US Senate seat. The only thing he had accomplished politically was becoming the Harris County Republican chairman in 1962. So I don’t know how powerful his family was if he couldn’t even win a Senate seat in his home state. He didn’t become director of the CIA until 1975, well after George W. graduated.

Also, thanks Zeb for calling for proof on the cocaine charge. I think it is one of those myths, ala J Edgar Hoover dressing in drag, that keeps getting repeated by the media and it eventually is accepted as fact. I find it especially hard to belive since all of the invesigative reporters out for Bush’s blood haven’t got a shred of proof. [/quote]

Do you know who Prescott Bush was or do you know where Barbara Bush’s family comes from (wealth and influence)?

Nice try but the Bush family was deeply ensconced in the north east power stucture as well as the booming oil business in Texas.

You are either intellectually dishonest or you need to google Prescott and HW’s respective pasts.

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[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:

Zeb, I will acknowledge the possibility that Dubya made it through college totally on his own merits. Conversely, can you acknowledge the fact that the skids are greased since time immemorial for children of privilege?[/quote]

Yes definitly…dang!

No, I am aware that some are privileged. However, John kerry was just as privileged. See my post on another thread!

I agree, however his father (as already stated) was not the high political figure that you remember. At least not at the time GW was attending or getting ready to attend college.

I admire Clinton for this! His rise out of a very bad home environment reminds me of Ronald Reagans story. He too had an alcoholic father.

Here is where we disagree! There is a group of people (of which you are not one) who actually hate Bush. Whatever the man says or does is wrong and he is deemed as evil in their eyes.

In fact it runs so deep that they can’t understand how anyone could NOT hate him.

As for my own opinion of Bush, I have begun threads on where I disagree with him. I can “like” a candidate without agreeing with every move he makes.