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[quote]G87 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
This truly is one of the bitchiest forums on any bodybuilding site and by far the softest forum here. Most of the responses here are reason why people with decent physiques rarely create threads here. Good job clowns.

Kay, I guess you now know why no one from the steroid forum posts pics here. It’s sad actually.

Funny. Prisoner posted his and I don’t remember anyone worth listening to saying sh*t. I don’t think this has much to do with steroid use in general. In other words, your argument is worthless.

As I said, the OP attained his goals and nobody can say anything about that. However, it’s a free country and an open forum, and if anyone happens to think he should not have used AAS, they are free to say it.

Gave you a 7, by the way, OP.[/quote]

So you use an example of one person that made a thread here over 2 years ago? I guess you could have reached a little further, but not much.

It has everything to do with steroid use. The people talking shit are obviously a little upset that this kid made more progress in 15 months than most people make in 10 years. It’s a natural reaction but it does show the current mindset of this place. People are jealous of progress (which is normal) but since steroids are the flavor of the week when it comes to hot topics to flap their gums about, they try to shoot someone down.

I wasn’t really making an argument. Just pointing out that this is a bodybuilding website. Steroids are a huge part of bodybuilding. People need to get off their high horses when it comes to judging people about the drugs they use. When someone chooses to cycle is none of anyones business. This kid did his cycles the right way. To the fool who said Kay is “an uneducated juicer”, if you read his thread you will see that you are obviously wrong. For those who say that steroids are a shortcut; I’ll never understand why someone would want to take the long way, just doesn’t make sense. For anyone who says that someone should be at their natural potential before cycling; BULLSHIT. How many people actually reach their natural potential?? Who on this board has reached their ‘natural potential’? Prof X (based solely on years training and weight gained)? He may be the closest thing to it but the fact is that the overwhelming percentage of people who train will never reach their ‘natural limit’ or whatever you want to call it. Steroids are a tool, that’s it. They partition nutrients better and promote faster recovery THATS IT. Using them intelligently is all anyone can ask, and based on the available information about this kid it seems as if he’s done most everything correctly.

So again why is steroid use even mentioned in the first place?? So people can belittle someone elses acomplishments in order not to make themselves feel bad when they look in the mirror.

That was fun. No more replies from me though.

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I don’t even believe in a “natural limit” anymore.

Body builders and other atheletes are getting bigger and faster every 10 years or so.

Its more the dissemenation of knowledge, training and attitude than anything.

Natural limit was always a copout.

Kay probably did in 1/2 a year what would’ve taken 2 years.

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[quote]G87 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
This truly is one of the bitchiest forums on any bodybuilding site and by far the softest forum here. Most of the responses here are reason why people with decent physiques rarely create threads here. Good job clowns.

Kay, I guess you now know why no one from the steroid forum posts pics here. It’s sad actually.

Funny. Prisoner posted his and I don’t remember anyone worth listening to saying sh*t. I don’t think this has much to do with steroid use in general. In other words, your argument is worthless.

As I said, the OP attained his goals and nobody can say anything about that. However, it’s a free country and an open forum, and if anyone happens to think he should not have used AAS, they are free to say it.

Gave you a 7, by the way, OP.[/quote]

No shit, prisoner is a pro model/bb’er. People understand and expect THAT out of a pro.

However, to see someone who has an average physique AT BEST compared to avg. guy (me, circa June) to where I am now (6’1 212 lbs @ 11%) in only 7 months is gonna make most people jealous (not necessarily of the way i look now, but at the progress) and start calling shots out at me for using a more advanced tool than just nutrition/diet/training program. I’ve made more progress in the last 28 weeks than I had in the 4 years before that, and more progress in 28 weeks than most people, like bonez said, in years.

That’s why I’m drawing flack, and prisoner didn’t. I went from your average high school afterschool workout chest/biceps kid to, well, as you put it, a 7 on a hardcore bb’ing site. (thanks btw, I think that rating is a bit too high though)

Plus, I’m probably more open about it. I don’t give a flying shit what a bunch of people on a bodybuilding forum think about me or my decisions, or what insults they wanna throw at me for using something they don’t approve of, I’m here to get feedback and advice on training, diet, physique, and AAS… not ETHICS. I only get pissed off when stupid commentary gets in the way of me getting constructive advice.

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[quote]djrobins wrote:
I don’t even believe in a “natural limit” anymore.

Body builders and other atheletes are getting bigger and faster every 10 years or so.

Its more the dissemenation of knowledge, training and attitude than anything.

Natural limit was always a copout.

Kay probably did in 1/2 a year what would’ve taken 2 years.[/quote]

Thank you.

I forget who it was above that said something about I could’ve done it with proper diet and training… BULLSHIT! haha yeah I could’ve made good progress, but come on, In 28 weeks I have put on about 40 lbs of muscle. with minimal fat gain (<2% bf gain)

How the F are you gonna do a 7 month bulk and put on that much weight with almost no fat gain? As djrobins said, it would take at least a year and a half… unless I was ANAL about EVERYTHING… maybe a year, who knows… but look at it this way, I lived LIFE while I was on cycle, I didn’t count every macro of every meal, I was in college, c’mon. (I didn’t binge drink, though.)

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
So you use an example of one person that made a thread here over 2 years ago? I guess you could have reached a little further, but not much.

It has everything to do with steroid use. The people talking shit are obviously a little upset that this kid made more progress in 15 months than most people make in 10 years. It’s a natural reaction but it does show the current mindset of this place. People are jealous of progress (which is normal) but since steroids are the flavor of the week when it comes to hot topics to flap their gums about, they try to shoot someone down.

I wasn’t really making an argument. Just pointing out that this is a bodybuilding website. Steroids are a huge part of bodybuilding. People need to get off their high horses when it comes to judging people about the drugs they use. When someone chooses to cycle is none of anyones business. This kid did his cycles the right way. To the fool who said Kay is “an uneducated juicer”, if you read his thread you will see that you are obviously wrong. For those who say that steroids are a shortcut; I’ll never understand why someone would want to take the long way, just doesn’t make sense. For anyone who says that someone should be at their natural potential before cycling; BULLSHIT. How many people actually reach their natural potential?? Who on this board has reached their ‘natural potential’? Prof X (based solely on years training and weight gained)? He may be the closest thing to it but the fact is that the overwhelming percentage of people who train will never reach their ‘natural limit’ or whatever you want to call it. Steroids are a tool, that’s it. They partition nutrients better and promote faster recovery THATS IT. Using them intelligently is all anyone can ask, and based on the available information about this kid it seems as if he’s done most everything correctly.

So again why is steroid use even mentioned in the first place?? So people can belittle someone elses acomplishments in order not to make themselves feel bad when they look in the mirror.

That was fun. No more replies from me though.[/quote]

Thank you… sums up my thoughts too.

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Haters…all of you.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
G87 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:

I wasn’t really making an argument. Just pointing out that this is a bodybuilding website. Steroids are a huge part of bodybuilding.[/quote]

there is more than a slight difference between bodybuilding and…ahh hell forget it.

This shit’s getting weird, there are some things that I completely fail to understand.

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So what the guy took some steroids. It was HIS decision to alter his body and he made good gains. Good job OP! Keep it up!

As for why somebody would not want to take the long way, there are MANY good reasons not to use.

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[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
This shit’s getting weird, there are some things that I completely fail to understand.[/quote]

Bodybuilding and steroids appear to be a couple of them.

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[quote]kayveeay wrote:
However, to see someone who has an average physique AT BEST compared to avg. guy (me, circa June) to where I am now (6’1 212 lbs @ 11%) in only 7 months is gonna make most people jealous (not necessarily of the way i look now, but at the progress) and start calling shots out at me for using a more advanced tool than just nutrition/diet/training program.

I’ve made more progress in the last 28 weeks than I had in the 4 years before that, and more progress in 28 weeks than most people, like bonez said, in years.

That’s why I’m drawing flack, and prisoner didn’t. I went from your average high school afterschool workout chest/biceps kid to, well, as you put it, a 7 on a hardcore bb’ing site. (thanks btw, I think that rating is a bit too high though)

Plus, I’m probably more open about it. I don’t give a flying shit what a bunch of people on a bodybuilding forum think about me or my decisions, or what insults they wanna throw at me for using something they don’t approve of,

I’m here to get feedback and advice on training, diet, physique, and AAS… not ETHICS. I only get pissed off when stupid commentary gets in the way of me getting constructive advice.
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I don’t know how much of it is jealousy. Although it might make many people feel frustrated, and I suppose I can see why.

Wow, you trained for 4 years and got less results than you did on those 2 cycles? That bites, assuming you were actually training consistently, eating right, etc.

Re: the 7, I was thinking of a 6.5, and it would have felt unfair to give you a 7.

As for : “I’m here to get feedback and advice on training, diet, physique, and AAS.”
For physique comments, point us to wheel pics… front shoulder pics… etc. Kinda strange that despite having a good torso (v-taper, chest) and reasonably low BF %, you don’t have abs in this photo OR the old photo where you were even leaner.

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Early or not, good gains. You may have made decent gains training naturally, you may not…can;t really tell. I’d have advised ou to hold off for a few more years with everyone else, but whatever…you did it, and you gained some size and made some solid improvement in your chest…good job and welcome to the dark side.

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Nice.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
For those who say that steroids are a shortcut; I’ll never understand why someone would want to take the long way, just doesn’t make sense. For anyone who says that someone should be at their natural potential before cycling; BULLSHIT. [/quote]

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[quote]elano wrote:
So what the guy took some steroids. It was HIS decision to alter his body and he made good gains. Good job OP! Keep it up!

As for why somebody would not want to take the long way, there are MANY good reasons not to use.[/quote]

For sure there are good reasons not to use. My point was that if the opportunity presented itself, with no negative repercussions, any normal person who dedicates a major part of him/herself to making serious gains in the gym will choose to make the most gains possible.

Having a job that drug tests or any other similar situation is a different story. People may choose not to use, that’s fine, but anyone who is remotely serious will consider it at least once.

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[quote]kayveeay wrote:
Standard Donkey wrote:
This shit’s getting weird, there are some things that I completely fail to understand.

Bodybuilding and steroids appear to be a couple of them.[/quote]

Yes well appearances can be deceitful.

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THIS THREAD IS GREAT!

It clearly shows how pathetic the people are on this website.

First, you have an average gym goer, who gets slaughtered by people who have the same/or a worse physique than his. WHERE ARE YOUR FUCKING PICTURES?

They say how he’s not going to ‘get huge’ quickly, BECAUSE STEROIDS DON’T DO THAT RIGHT? LOL. How he’s going to fuck up etc. etc.

Then he just makes them eat their word. And you STILL get people trying to shit on him. WOW.

ALMOST EVERY SINGLE PERSON with a good rating on RMP, and the guys in T-cell ‘Alpha’ USES STEROIDS. And have done for a while. including ALL PRO BODYBUILDERS (who have used from an age similiar, or EARLIER than this guy).

What the fuck is wrong with people. What are your standards? Are you honestly expecting someone to go from a skinny fat 150lbs to a ripped 200+lbs? It won’t happen.

If it does, they will never post there pictures here, because it will take YEARS, and they will forget about this shit hole of a forum.

steroids have a MASSIVE EFFECT, why do people fail to realise this?

Just compare someone like Layne Norton to Prisoner, both very experienced hard working guys who have been bb’ng for years. Look at the different between them.

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[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
…the guys in T-cell ‘Alpha’ USES STEROIDS.[/quote]

Huh?

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[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
…the guys in T-cell ‘Alpha’ USES STEROIDS.[/quote]

Huh?

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Good job. I followed your other thread, and noticed:

  1. Responsible use of AAS

  2. Polite responses from the OP

Like Dave Tate said, ‘if you wanna be healthy, go ride a fucking bike’. Now this is what I call a 19 year old that knows his shit. You done your research, dedication to run a good cycle was clearly reflected by your gains, you asked questions that reflected you had done your research also. Some pros started roiding at a much younger age then 19, Powerlifters included. I’ll not enter into the merit of age because of flames etc that will likely ruin this thread as I have my personal opinions on that. Not that my opinion matters. All I can say is that if all 19 year olds where in the same mindset as you, then the steroid underground would be a much better place. Anyway, good job on doing things right.

You get a 9.

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Thanks! I appreciate the comments!

I wish all 19 year olds were like me too, hahh… a few of the guys at my school that juice, when i talked to them about what kind of cycle they’re doing… you wouldn’t believe the responses i get.

“So what kind of cycle are you doing?”

“uh bro I’m doin like 2 cc’s a week”

“… of what?”

“i got some deca right now, might throw in some prop at the end”

“ohh ok… what is the concentration though?”

“The what? I’m just doin 2 cc’s man…”

“lolz ok…”

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I was 19 when I did my first cycle and as long as you are smart I don’t think it’s an issue.

IMO the only people bitching about steroids are the ones who don’t have access to them.

I can get a vial of test for about the same price as a tub of protein powder…hmmm which to choose?!?