Journalist Gary Webb Gets the Last Word in

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
^^As I said you can’t read properly. Your comprehension skills are fucked. I have the example of the Kyoto Protocol to demonstrate the fundamental irrationality of bin Laden’s publicly stated grievances. The Hyoto Protocol was not a reason for 911. US stationed in Saudi Arabia was not a reason. The reason metaphysical war against modernity and what they perceive as American “culture” of consumerism, secularism and everything unIslamic and at odds with a fundamentalist Islamic worldview that sees Islam as a force of conquest that aims at the establishment of an Islamic state as a political entity and geographical sovereign entity. And the internationalist agenda of extending this territorial entity over the whole of the earth.n be found in the fundamental ideological belief system of al Qaeda and international jihadists. The reason for 911 was a fundamental

This military conquest of other peoples and their forced submission to Islam and the Islamic metaphysical system is seen as a “little holy war” - the “greater holy war” being the spiritual submission of the self to the objective, universal system of Islamic monotheism. The acts of terror are seen as formalised rituals that give substance to the greater inner struggle or “greater holy war”. Radical Islam manifested as an internationalist and anti-modernist form is a metaphysical and spiritual war against the individual and all of mankind. This is the “reason” for 911 and international jihadism.

Regarding Buckley, I don’t like Buckley - I’ve seen the interview in the video you posted before. I will speak for myself; not Buckley. And yes, Bogdanor is one of a number of scholars who have exposed Chomsky as a systematic liar and historical revisionist. The book “The Anti-Chomsky Reader” chronicles Chomsky’s career of deception and academic malpractice.[/quote/]

If this is true then why wasn’t another country whose culture resembles the same thing attacked? Why attack a country as big and as powerful as the U.S.?

The reason metaphysical war against modernity and what they perceive as American “culture” of consumerism, secularism and everything unIslamic and at odds with a fundamentalist Islamic worldview that sees Islam as a force of conquest that aims at the establishment of an Islamic state as a political entity and geographical sovereign entity. And the internationalist agenda of extending this territorial entity over the whole of the earth.n be found in the fundamental ideological belief system of al Qaeda and international jihadists. The reason for 911 was a fundamental.

No it wasn’t the main reason for the attack on the U.S. Maybe the killings of their people over years may have something to do with it? But this can’t be or it would fly in the face of your foreign policy ideology were the U.S. gets to take everything for themselves as long as it is in their interests even if they have to use force.

As far as Bogdanor is concerned. His book is based on falsehoods so it is not accurate to say the least.

[quote] Zeppelin795 wrote:

If this is true then why wasn’t another country whose culture resembles the same thing attacked?

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There is no other culture or power like the US. The United States is the global hegemon - the leader of the free world and American culture has spread throughout the entire world since WWII. The US is the face of the West and the power of the West.

Precisely because of its power, prestige, actual and symbolic power of the Western world and the source of modernism - Western liberalism and democracy.

You really don’t know this? I thought you guys on the hard left are just pretending to believe the shit you do. You don’t actually believe it do you?

I have no idea what “killings” you’re talking about. The US didn’t kill any Saudis. AQ however, has massacred Muslims from the start. One of the early operations was a truck bombing in Saudi Arabia that killed hundreds of civilians. I’ve told you in detail why AQ attacked and their motivations. I’ve been studying this shit for 20 years. I’ve forgotten more than you’ve ever known about AQ. I had read the most detailed works on AQ before the 911 attacks. I’ve read vast amounts from many different sources including Pakistani nationals, a Saudi investigative journalist, FBI agents etc etc. I can say with absolute certainty that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. And you have consistently demonstrated you’re not even familiar with the most elementary details of vanguard Salafist terrorism and Qutbism.

No idea what you’re talking about.

And I just take your word for that do I? You don’t actually point out what these “falsehoods” are? Neither does Chomsky BTW. I think it’s pretty obvious that you haven’t actually read Bogdanor’s work so stop wasting my time with this. As I said, you don’t even have elementary knowledge about the history of AQ.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote] Zeppelin795 wrote:

If this is true then why wasn’t another country whose culture resembles the same thing attacked?

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There is no other culture or power like the US. The United States is the global hegemon - the leader of the free world and American culture has spread throughout the entire world since WWII. The US is the face of the West and the power of the West.

Precisely because of its power, prestige, actual and symbolic power of the Western world and the source of modernism - Western liberalism and democracy.

You really don’t know this? I thought you guys on the hard left are just pretending to believe the shit you do. You don’t actually believe it do you?

I have no idea what “killings” you’re talking about. The US didn’t kill any Saudis. AQ however, has massacred Muslims from the start. One of the early operations was a truck bombing in Saudi Arabia that killed hundreds of civilians. I’ve told you in detail why AQ attacked and their motivations. I’ve been studying this shit for 20 years. I’ve forgotten more than you’ve ever known about AQ. I had read the most detailed works on AQ before the 911 attacks. I’ve read vast amounts from many different sources including Pakistani nationals, a Saudi investigative journalist, FBI agents etc etc. I can say with absolute certainty that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. And you have consistently demonstrated you’re not even familiar with the most elementary details of vanguard Salafist terrorism and Qutbism.

No idea what you’re talking about.

And I just take your word for that do I? You don’t actually point out what these “falsehoods” are? Neither does Chomsky BTW. I think it’s pretty obvious that you haven’t actually read Bogdanor’s work so stop wasting my time with this. As I said, you don’t even have elementary knowledge about the history of AQ.[/quote]

So no other country was attacked because the U.S. is the face of “freedom”?

They risked getting attacked by the U.S. simply because they hate “freedom” and the U.S. is the global hegemon? Do you think it could have anything to do with the hundreds of thousands or perhaps millions killed by U.S. foreign policy? No of course not. Why would that anger anyone?

You claim that you have no idea what I’m talking about in reference to the U.S. taking what it wants as long as it benefits them. However you defend this childish behavior as proper in a previous post. I guess you believe in so many falsehoods it’s hard to remember them all.

I guess it is you who doesn’t read. I posted a rebuttal to Bogdanor’s book by someone who isn’t even an “intellectual” and you decided not to read it. Why?

And maybe the U.S. didn’t kill any Saudi’s which makes the whole situation worse, since they were the major contributors to 9/11. I guess the cozy relationship the Bush family has with Saudi royalty may have a little something to do with it?

We’re not really getting anywhere with this are we? You’re a Commie. I get it. (Sigh)…Okay, what now?

[quote] Zeppelin795 wrote:

So no other country was attacked because the U.S. is the face of “freedom”?

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No, not “freedom” as such. Since 1942, the US has enforced a relative global stability that is unprecedented in world history and America is the power and the face of the egalitarianism, universal suffrage, liberalism, secularism, parliamentary democracy, consumer culture and modernity itself. Islamists see this cultural and political dominance as a threat to Islam and traditional Islamic societies. I’ve explained all this before.

You haven’t read the founding texts of al Qaeda and specifically Qutb’s Signposts on the Road. You’re wasting my time because you are just ignoring and misrepresenting what I say and you haven’t even looked at let alone addressed the Islamist ideology of al Qaeda that I have referenced. One more time, Islamic fundamentalists are at war with modernity of which they see the United States and the West as the representatives of this cultural and political assault on their traditional societies. This is not some theory. It’s something that’s understood by people of all different political persuasions. It’s common knowledge.

Be specific. Does what have to do with these “possibly millions” of people the US has allegedly killed? You’re rambling and making emotive and vague accusations. 90% of deaths in Iraq were caused by Islamists not Americans. Why would a guy who murders thousands of his own people - Iraqi civilians - why would he care about Muslim lives? Forget it. There’s no answer because it’s a nonsense question. These people are religious fanatics who don’t value any human life. Not even the lives of their own people. I’m not going to keep explaining this obvious fact.

Angry enough to train a 12-year-old Iraqi Muslim boy to blow up and murder dozens of other Iraqi civilians then blow up dozens more Iraqi civilians at a funeral for the first victims. People who do stuff like that don’t value human life. If you don’t understand that then there’s something wrong with you.

What now? I’m not in the mood for your Commie shit today. What specifically are you trying to say?

Speak for yourself. How was the Japanese rape of Manchuria “highly beneficial for the people of Asia” for example? Actually don’t bother. There is no answer which is why Chomsky has never even attempted to respond. It’s a complete reversal of historical fact.

To do with what? Again, you’re making vague accusations to avoid having to back up any of the crazy crap you believe.

Sex Machine, I’m sure I’ve mentioned it to you before, but after having read your posts about the cyclical nature of civilisations, I think it is essential that you read Colinvaux’s Fates of Nations. if you’ve not already. I think you would really enjoy it.

It doesn’t seem to be available on Amazon Australia, but here is a link to the Septic site.

The top two reviews are by me, back in the Twentieth Century (yes, I am old), and by my friend Shawn (who is another T-Nation member) who read it last month at my recommendation.

And Zep, you may want to change that avatar of yours. I think you are creating a subliminal bias against your posts by associating them with that gif. Nothing against you personally, bro, but I gotta tell you, when I think of Zeppelin795, all that comes to mind is “a flabby, squishy ass, walking away.”

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To do with what? Again, you’re making vague accusations to avoid having to back up any of the crazy crap you believe.[/quote]

With all due respect, Saudi Arabia is a very wealthy country and they do fund terrorism. I should say certain organizations within it’s borders. I can go find sources but I’m sure you won’t have trouble finding them yourself. People have speculated that information of this sort is contained in the still protected portion of the 9/11 report.

The sad fact is that certain details about the demographic make up of Saudi Arabia and it’s governing system are whitewashed due to our historic allegiance with the Saudi ruling family and the geopolitical significance of Saudi oil, notwithstanding any Saudi investments in domestic oil production that may have ties to a certain prominent political family.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Sex Machine, I’m sure I’ve mentioned it to you before, but after having read your posts about the cyclical nature of civilisations, I think it is essential that you read Colinvaux’s Fates of Nations. if you’ve not already. I think you would really enjoy it.

It doesn’t seem to be available on Amazon Australia, but here is a link to the Septic site.

The top two reviews are by me, back in the Twentieth Century (yes, I am old), and by my friend Shawn (who is another T-Nation member) who read it last month at my recommendation.[/quote]

Thanks varq. I’ll take a look. And regarding Amazon, I’ve never used Australian Amazon - didn’t even know it existed until recently. I use the US Amazon and occasionally UK Amazon. The postage is pretty cheap and sometimes I get free postage.