The link really says it all. Fox has to be one of the worst pure propaganda networks of all time.
Will you be directing similar outrage at CNN and MSNBC for their failure to find a religious motivation for Hasan’s shooting, or will you just be one of those brainless HuffPo boobs who continues to rant on about McVeigh when Hasan is brought up?
If CNN and MSNBC fabricated news like this, then I would be just as outraged obviously.
How about all of them spewing fake rush limbaugh quotes
Yes, misquoting people on purpose is the same as lying, so that’s equally bad no matter who you are doing it to.[/quote]
I like how your sentence carries the connotation that rush is a bad guy they really deserved it, but that doesn’t make it right.
How do you count? One must define “crowd size.” Is it the total number of people to visit a protest through the day? Let’s say 2 million unique visitors show up on a specific day. I guess one could figure this out by taking live arial photos and counting all the people coming and going to get a total. Or, we could do a head count every half hour or so and get a pretty good average of how many people were there at any given time. Maybe there were an average of 75k or so. Or, we could use the arial photos to determine when the crowd was the largest and count them and say that at one point there were this many people there. Maybe at one point there were 300k and that was the most at any given time. So, if I say there was a crowd of 2 million, would I be lying? What if I said there was only 75k. What if I said there were 300k. I don’t think everyone is on the same page, and I don’t think it matters much.
Every once in a while Fox news points out Stewart’s hypocracy, but Stewart would point out that he is a comedian and doesn’t need to adhere to journalistic integrity. Watch Stewart, laugh, and then forget about it. If he wants to be influential, he has to follow the rules. If he doesn’t want to follow the rules, he can only be a comedian.
The link really says it all. Fox has to be one of the worst pure propaganda networks of all time.
Will you be directing similar outrage at CNN and MSNBC for their failure to find a religious motivation for Hasan’s shooting, or will you just be one of those brainless HuffPo boobs who continues to rant on about McVeigh when Hasan is brought up?
If CNN and MSNBC fabricated news like this, then I would be just as outraged obviously.
How about all of them spewing fake rush limbaugh quotes
Yes, misquoting people on purpose is the same as lying, so that’s equally bad no matter who you are doing it to.
I like how your sentence carries the connotation that rush is a bad guy they really deserved it, but that doesn’t make it right.[/quote]
That’s not what i was shooting for. I didn’t say that, and I don’t mean that. I was just trying to clearly express that I don’t like having media lie to me, no matter who does it, left, right or center.
I wonder why Jon Sturarts limited skills were never used to expose Michael Moores half truths and complete fabrications? Also, why isn’t he worried about the many lies that come out of MSNBC on an almost daily basis? Oh that’s right Stewart is a mouth piece for the democratic party and has been one for quite sometime.
I stopped watching the guy as soon as he turned left, just like Letterman they’ve vanished from my television set and I’m the better for it.
Jon Stewart is not a journalist. He also misrepresented the original protests in Washington as only 75,000 where most estimates put it between 1 and 2 million.
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What “original protests” were these? I would think I would remember if 1-2million people showed up.
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9-12. Areal estimates put the crowd at 1.7 million people.
It is OK that Hannity clearly misrepresented the number of people at the rally because (in no particular order):
He is not a newsman, but an opinion man
Other news agencies have also fabricated and/or lied
Jon Stewart is a left-leaning liberal
It was posted on Huffington Post
All of these “reasons” suck and if they any of them are your justification for excusing Hannity- you are just rationalizing (fine with me, but don’t pretend that dishonesty is OK- it is not- regardless of the subject, source or reporter).
I’ve never fully understood the ‘need’ for opinion commentators in the first place. Are there really people out there in such a shortage of opinion that they need someone to provide them with one?
I watch Hannity and agree with most of his politics. That said, he is a terrible representative of conservatism. I’ve stated this in the past. He is not terribly persuasive with issues which facts themselves should provide unassailable material. He is dismissive of opponents, interrupts and changes the subject when stumped, which leaves me wishing I could stand in and finish the argument for him, and possibly worst of all he overstates his case to the point where a bit of checking would erode the credibility of his statements as stated. Everybody makes mistakes and nobody’s right all the time, but it is a pattern with him.
Also has already been observed by others, Hannity is not the news in FOX news.
So again, as jnd pointed out, it’s okey-dokey for Hannity to misrepresent the facts and in fact outright lie, because he’s not actually a “news” person. So nothing he says should ever be taken as fact, right? I’ll make a note, that’s sure to come in handy down the road.
And the fact that a comedian pointed it out makes it irrelevant, especially since he’s a liberal comedian anyway.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I watch Hannity and agree with most of his politics. That said, he is a terrible representative of conservatism. I’ve stated this in the past. He is not terribly persuasive with issues which facts themselves should provide unassailable material. He is dismissive of opponents, interrupts and changes the subject when stumped, which leaves me wishing I could stand in and finish the argument for him, and possibly worst of all he overstates his case to the point where a bit of checking would erode the credibility of his statements as stated. Everybody makes mistakes and nobody’s right all the time, but it is a pattern with him.
Also has already been observed by others, Hannity is not the news in FOX news.
My take too.[/quote]
I do actually like the guy overall, but he provides ammunition to the left too often for me to view him as a true champion of my cause. Levin (there’s a right wing Ninja) and even Beck are much stronger in my view.
[quote]tme wrote:
So again, as jnd pointed out, it’s okey-dokey for Hannity to misrepresent the facts and in fact outright lie, because he’s not actually a “news” person. So nothing he says should ever be taken as fact, right? I’ll make a note, that’s sure to come in handy down the road.
And the fact that a comedian pointed it out makes it irrelevant, especially since he’s a liberal comedian anyway.
You go, pusshy.
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I see he used footage from 9-12. And I can see how that is lying, tho it was the tea party and for all I know he was showing his viewers the event and previous events.
You saw this a lot in MSNBC with the war protesters. I wouldn’t say they where wrong doing it and either would you.
Tho I am still not seeing Stewart disprove the numbers. He is trying to link together things that do not go together.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I watch Hannity and agree with most of his politics. That said, he is a terrible representative of conservatism. I’ve stated this in the past. He is not terribly persuasive with issues which facts themselves should provide unassailable material. He is dismissive of opponents, interrupts and changes the subject when stumped, which leaves me wishing I could stand in and finish the argument for him, and possibly worst of all he overstates his case to the point where a bit of checking would erode the credibility of his statements as stated. Everybody makes mistakes and nobody’s right all the time, but it is a pattern with him.
Also has already been observed by others, Hannity is not the news in FOX news.
My take too.
I do actually like the guy overall, but he provides ammunition to the left too often for me to view him as a true champion of my cause. Levin (there’s a right wing Ninja) and even Beck are much stronger in my view.[/quote]
Levin is right on, and funny, but his delivery is a bit brash for me (his books are excellent).
Of all of them, and certainly in the geo-political world John Batchelor is head and shoulders above the rest. Just facts, no hyperbole. He had absolutely the best inside information throughout the Iraq invasion. You can stream his show from wabc radio ( http://www.wabcradio.com/staff.asp ).
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I watch Hannity and agree with most of his politics. That said, he is a terrible representative of conservatism. I’ve stated this in the past. He is not terribly persuasive with issues which facts themselves should provide unassailable material. He is dismissive of opponents, interrupts and changes the subject when stumped, which leaves me wishing I could stand in and finish the argument for him, and possibly worst of all he overstates his case to the point where a bit of checking would erode the credibility of his statements as stated. Everybody makes mistakes and nobody’s right all the time, but it is a pattern with him.
Also has already been observed by others, Hannity is not the news in FOX news.
My take too.
I do actually like the guy overall, but he provides ammunition to the left too often for me to view him as a true champion of my cause. Levin (there’s a right wing Ninja) and even Beck are much stronger in my view.
Levin is right on, and funny, but his delivery is a bit brash for me (his books are excellent).
Of all of them, and certainly in the geo-political world John Batchelor is head and shoulders above the rest. Just facts, no hyperbole. He had absolutely the best inside information throughout the Iraq invasion. You can stream his show from wabc radio ( http://www.wabcradio.com/staff.asp ).
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I saw Batchelor interviewed by somebody years back, but am not that familiar with him. Thanks for the link. Levin is a monster intellect, a true constructionist constitutional scholar and an invincible debater. I would pay money to see him kick any prominent liberal or three up and down the road.
Ah, yes. We’ve finally gotten to the personal attacks by the liberals. I love it when they do that.
Conservative: “If you read section 7203 and 7201 of the health care bill, you will see that it carries penalties of imprisonment for refusing to purchase health care coverage.”
Liberal: “Yeah, well you’re ugly.”
Somehow, it is Joe the plumbers fault that Obama is a fucking socialist. There could be video of Obama raping babies and liberals (including all of the media except Fox news and talk radio) would go after the guy who shot the video, all the while bitching about how unfair Fox news is and how talk radio needs to be subject to the “fairness doctrine.”
