Try searching Orson Wells and War of the worlds…talk about a shit storm.
So we got two people claiming two different numbers with no facts to back up either one. But Stewart must be right?
So the left can just make up facts and its ok. A commentator can give an educated guess and he is lying.
I see no hypocrisy there.
This is all complete crap.
- You are seriously getting news from The Daily Show? TDS is junk food for the brain. It is entertaining, but letting it influence your opinion makes you an idiot. I’m a big fan of Jon Stewart, actually, but he’ll be the first to tell you that people who view the DS as “news” are complete morons.
It is entertainment, a comedy show. See: Paramount Network He takes stuff out of context all the time, and his supporters seem to want it both ways. If he says something they agree with, then it is “good journalism” and if he says something totally off the wall that would get any other “journalist” fired, then it is just harmless comedy. Pick one. Can’t have it both ways.
- I’ll say the same thing about Hannity. IT ISN"T NEWS, and Hannity never claims it to be news. He comes out and says, “I AM A CONSERVATIVE, HERE IS MY OPINION.” The left and the right have both been very wrong about the actual number of people at their respective rallies. Is it lying? Honest mistakes? Are they just overly optimistic?
You guys are talking about B roll for christ’s sake. The fact of the matter is that Stewart and other liberals go out of their way to smear Fox News, and surely you can find things. The only reason Stewart worries me is because some people who are actually allowed to vote in this country are stupid enough to take the daily show seriously, or stupid enough to take Hannity seriously.
Listen to this shit. Instead of debating the health care bill (a bill that could send people to jail for not having health insurance) you’re arguing about leaves, and clouds, and how big the crowd was. The story was that a bunch of people showed up to protest the health care bill.
Does it really matter how many people were there? Was it between 20-45K total throughout the day? Was 10k the largest crowd at any given time? I’ll think about this while I write out the next massive check to the IRS, because it is clearly so fucking important.
[quote]pat wrote:
molnes wrote:
The link really says it all. Fox has to be one of the worst pure propaganda networks of all time.
Jon Stewart is not a journalist. He also misrepresented the original protests in Washington as only 75,000 where most estimates put it between 1 and 2 million. 3rd, Hanity is an opinion show, you do know the difference between opinion and news right?
What do you mean “yet again”…Is that like when Anderson Cooper reported that Nasrallah from Hazbolah was actually an anti-Semite? Or when the “expert” on CNN determined that the bombs in the London bombing were designed to kill people?[/quote]
Yes Fox’s definition of an opinion show is a program on a news channel that is not required to check facts, that can use footage out of context to back up the opinion it wants to put accross and that can supply the general public with soundbites that the channel can then later report as news on their news segments.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
pat wrote:
molnes wrote:
The link really says it all. Fox has to be one of the worst pure propaganda networks of all time.
Jon Stewart is not a journalist. He also misrepresented the original protests in Washington as only 75,000 where most estimates put it between 1 and 2 million. 3rd, Hanity is an opinion show, you do know the difference between opinion and news right?
What do you mean “yet again”…Is that like when Anderson Cooper reported that Nasrallah from Hazbolah was actually an anti-Semite? Or when the “expert” on CNN determined that the bombs in the London bombing were designed to kill people?
Yes Fox’s definition of an opinion show is a program on a news channel that is not required to check facts, that can use footage out of context to back up the opinion it wants to put accross and that can supply the general public with soundbites that the channel can then later report as news on their news segments.[/quote]
so… pretty much the same as all media?
Right. MSNBC isn’t opinionated at all. The difference is that Fox has “opinion” or “analyis” shows, and news segments. They are actually honest and call opinions opinions, while the guys at MSNBC get “shivers up their leg” when Obama speaks.
Even if Fox was a blatant political propaganda machine for the right, would that even come close to balancing out all the left leaning news organizations and media? I’m reminded of a Leno bit where he said that the left was so pissed that talk radio leaned to the right. "now all the left has is newspapers, network news, blogs, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, magazines, NPR, TIME, US news…
I could go on, and on, and on, and on…
like the old fake palin pics networks used.
or how about the washingtonian using photoshoped Obama pics?
Reuters uses fake pics: Michelle Malkin Archive - The Unz Review
the new york times uses missleading photos: Photo fakery at the New York Times - American Thinker
How about all the fake quotes attributed to Rush on msn and cnn and all. Their fact check apparently consists of a wiki search.
they all do it.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Irony: using the the Huffington Post as a source to whine about subjectivity and objectivity in journalism and the media.
[center][u]LOL[/center][/u][/quote]
No self-respecting man would claim to be a HuffPo reader/commenter. Manbearpig writes for them occasionally for crying out loud.
The people that comment there are basically quasi-homosexual SWPLs and man-hating fat lesbian butch dykes.
LOL at their credulity whenever some Muslim author posts “This isn’t the real Islam!” everytime another jihadist goes whacko.
[quote]John S. wrote:
So we got two people claiming two different numbers with no facts to back up either one. But Stewart must be right?
So the left can just make up facts and its ok. A commentator can give an educated guess and he is lying.
I see no hypocrisy there.[/quote]
I’m not talking about the argument of how many people were there. If you watch the actual video, you can tell the old clip was reused. That’s what I’m talking about. If the video itself isn’t proof enough then I don’t know what to tell ya.
Hannity: I’m doing a story about a protest in DC.
Producer: Cool, I’ll put together some file footage of DC crowds.
Hannity: Sounds good. Thanks, man!
OR
Hannity: I’m envolved in a conspiracy to convince the American people that twice as many people showed up to a protest than actually showed up.
Producer: I will help you further this conspiracy by doctoring video coverage of past protests that were much larger, and we’ll say it was really footage of this protest of which you speak.
Hannity: MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. My plan is coming together perfectly!!
[quote]gerby wrote:
Hannity: I’m doing a story about a protest in DC.
Producer: Cool, I’ll put together some file footage of DC crowds.
Hannity: Sounds good. Thanks, man!
OR
Hannity: I’m envolved in a conspiracy to convince the American people that twice as many people showed up to a protest than actually showed up.
Producer: I will help you further this conspiracy by doctoring video coverage of past protests that were much larger, and we’ll say it was really footage of this protest of which you speak.
Hannity: MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. My plan is coming together perfectly!![/quote]
or
Hannity (on viewing actual footage of demo): Wow, they look a bit thin on the ground any chance we could beef that footage up it doesn’t give the impression I want to give
Producers: Sure, leave it with us, we will see what we can do.
Fox news looks more like Globelink News from Drop the Dead Donkey every week. If you have never watched it, you should!
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
molnes wrote:
The link really says it all. Fox has to be one of the worst pure propaganda networks of all time.
Will you be directing similar outrage at CNN and MSNBC for their failure to find a religious motivation for Hasan’s shooting, or will you just be one of those brainless HuffPo boobs who continues to rant on about McVeigh when Hasan is brought up? [/quote]
If CNN and MSNBC fabricated news like this, then I would be just as outraged obviously.
Hannity: I’m a conservative. Here is my opinion.
MSNBC: I get tingles down my leg when Obama speaks, but I’m an objective journalist that doesn’t allow a point of view to come across in my reporting.
Sorry, man, but Hannity wins the honesty battle here hands down.
[quote]molnes wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
molnes wrote:
The link really says it all. Fox has to be one of the worst pure propaganda networks of all time.
Will you be directing similar outrage at CNN and MSNBC for their failure to find a religious motivation for Hasan’s shooting, or will you just be one of those brainless HuffPo boobs who continues to rant on about McVeigh when Hasan is brought up?
If CNN and MSNBC fabricated news like this, then I would be just as outraged obviously.
[/quote]
How about all of them spewing fake rush limbaugh quotes
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Irony: using the the Huffington Post as a source to whine about subjectivity and objectivity in journalism and the media.
[center][u]LOL[/center][/u][/quote]
Not really. That was the first place I found the video embedded. I was just using it to show the video. Also this wasn’t about objectivity. All media is biased in one way or another. This was about making shit up, and portraying it as facts.
[quote]gerby wrote:
Hannity: I’m a conservative. Here is my opinion.
MSNBC: I get tingles down my leg when Obama speaks, but I’m an objective journalist that doesn’t allow a point of view to come across in my reporting.
Sorry, man, but Hannity wins the honesty battle here hands down.[/quote]
well said. like when chris matthews said on the air that america deserves a good president and “HE is going to everything he can to make this work”. he forgot to install the ideologue filter in his mouth before he drove to work that day. that was the LAST time i watched that man on tv. at least hannity and o’reilly are walkin in the front door. why matthews still has a job i don’t know. wait yeah i do. because everything the OP has said about FOX MSNBC is just as guilty if not more.
[quote]gerby wrote:
molnes wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
molnes wrote:
The link really says it all. Fox has to be one of the worst pure propaganda networks of all time.
Will you be directing similar outrage at CNN and MSNBC for their failure to find a religious motivation for Hasan’s shooting, or will you just be one of those brainless HuffPo boobs who continues to rant on about McVeigh when Hasan is brought up?
If CNN and MSNBC fabricated news like this, then I would be just as outraged obviously.
How about all of them spewing fake rush limbaugh quotes
[/quote]
Yes, misquoting people on purpose is the same as lying, so that’s equally bad no matter who you are doing it to.
[quote]pat wrote:
Jon Stewart is not a journalist. He also misrepresented the original protests in Washington as only 75,000 where most estimates put it between 1 and 2 million. [/quote]
???
What “original protests” were these? I would think I would remember if 1-2million people showed up.