Join the Navy instead.
[quote]Mettahl wrote:
Isn’t HolyMac in the Army?[/quote]
where is that fucker anyways?
People on these boards have been telling you to get your shit together for a while. Next time listen to people who know better and you wouldn’t be in the situation you’re in.
Crikes.
Dude, don’t you have crippling pain that requires Oxycontin?
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Artem, WHY do you want to join the marines?
Just fyi, you won’t magically get “fixed” by boot camp. Well, for a month or 2 you will be. Then you’ll start slipping back into your old ways, trust me.
Mommy can’t fix you. Programs and books can’t fix you. The Marines can’t fix you.
YOU can fix you, and that is all. [/quote]
x2
You’ll be moto until MOS school when you get most of your freedom back. Then you will be looking to get drunk and high in your barracks room.
If you just want to be a Marine for the “quick fix”, you’re in the wrong place. Once your in and you realize nothings changed except someone is constantly telling you what to do/where to be and when, you will hate it. Then most likely you’ll act out and become a shitbag to either get kicked out or to show disrespect, making you pretty much what you are now.
Oh and if you’re a troll, go die.
[quote]Artem wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Artem, WHY do you want to join the marines?
Just fyi, you won’t magically get “fixed” by boot camp. Well, for a month or 2 you will be. Then you’ll start slipping back into your old ways, trust me.
Mommy can’t fix you. Programs and books can’t fix you. The Marines can’t fix you.
YOU can fix you, and that is all. [/quote]
I’m not trying to “fix” myself. I see no glaring flaws in my character, values, etc., that I don’t already recognize, at least. I want to re-set a lot of shit about my life. New job, location, age, etc. And I need shit cleared off my police record.[/quote]
There are five branches of work that see your record regardless of it being sealed or expunged. Health care is one, government work, a few others, and military.
Enough bullshit from me though, go up the recruiters office and be up front with him/her about your arrests, and they will probably make a judgment call on what to do. Which means if the recruiter wants you in and the master Sgt wants you in. Then you just have to convince the section officer meet with you, and give you a moral waiver. The best way to do all this is to come in relatively well dressed and express your passion for joining and that you want to serve your country, etc.
However, if you get caught up in the first parts, if the recruiter blows you off, go to another office in town and talk to another recruiter. However if the officer tells you no, the only thing to do is out of his section. If the corps won’t take you, try the army, but if the corps won’t, neither the navy nor the air force will either.
Also, this is a point in life where it is good to know someone, I’m a previous discharge from the corps and got into a little trouble after I got out, and no branch would let me reenlist. I met a Sgt the other day who is going to try to convince his Sgt major to get me the waivers to enlist in the army soon. Anyhow man, Good Luck.
nice post lanky. i always loved that video.
anyway. if your gonna join then just make sure you dont be like a lot of the new guys we get. these guys get through boot camp and mos school and all that. then they get out to the operating forces. they marry the first chick that opens her herpes infested legs to him. then they have 2 kids and buy 2 30,000 dollar cars while he is only making 18,000 a year. then she cheats on him with his buddies so they get a divorce. now he is in debt 60,000 dollars paying child support and alimony bitching about how the military fucked him over. then he goes out and get a DUI or pops on a drug test and get reduced in rank and all that. but its not his fault, oh no sir its the militaries fault. they fucked him over.
ok sorry for the long post but im just telling you that we get these kids everyday that are here for the wrong reasons and they dont want to listen to anyway and ive actually seen this story above happen time and time again. so if you do join please dont end up like those idiots.
[quote]Young Devil Dog wrote:
nice post lanky. i always loved that video.
anyway. if your gonna join then just make sure you dont be like a lot of the new guys we get. these guys get through boot camp and mos school and all that. then they get out to the operating forces. they marry the first chick that opens her herpes infested legs to him. then they have 2 kids and buy 2 30,000 dollar cars while he is only making 18,000 a year. then she cheats on him with his buddies so they get a divorce. now he is in debt 60,000 dollars paying child support and alimony bitching about how the military fucked him over. then he goes out and get a DUI or pops on a drug test and get reduced in rank and all that. but its not his fault, oh no sir its the militaries fault. they fucked him over.
ok sorry for the long post but im just telling you that we get these kids everyday that are here for the wrong reasons and they dont want to listen to anyway and ive actually seen this story above happen time and time again. so if you do join please dont end up like those idiots. [/quote]
That sums up the OP’s modus operandi pretty well.
He never does anything wrong. It’s just other people, dealers, cops, and seemingly everybody he comes into contact with fucking with him.
He’s blameless. It’s the world that is at fault.
The LOUD, The PROUD…
I dont think the military is for you bud. Youre looking for a quick fix, but any of that stuff is internal. I have seen kids that were “bad” per se, enlist and become decent human beings though.
Honestly, Id suggest a career in sales. Car or real estate they wont look that much at your background from what I understand and its decent money. Get your shit together first, if you are in college , study hard and start making something of yourself other than selling drugs. For most people that is small time money, I had friends that dealt in college, and yeah they had more spending money than myself but thats transient and the risk IS NOT worth the reward.
Get your shit together, if you want discipline join a fighting gym. Martial arts has made me a dependable person that knows how to persevere and fight through adversity. When youre up at 7am running because otherwise you get in the ring and get pounded on, you can only count on yourself. The military leaves other people dependant on YOU, which for them, i dont think is good. Find something where you yourself are accountable, like i said, fighting is not a team sport. I know stepping into the ring gave me a set of cajones and work ethic. Ive seen kids come from the hood and worse background than yourself and become better people as a result.
Let that filter in to other areas of your life. I dont know you to say whether you can do this or not but something to think about.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
People on these boards have been telling you to get your shit together for a while. Next time listen to people who know better and you wouldn’t be in the situation you’re in.
Crikes.[/quote]
Please, Lanky, may I say it to him…?
…can’t hold it back…
TOLD YOU SO, ARTEM!
Now that I’ve got this out of the way: I’m happy to see that you’re reevaluating your life. Not great that you’ve fucked up so much before being 18, but hey that’s the deck of cards you dealt yourself. Deal with it. I honestly wish you all the best with it. I think there’s been some great advice given to you at the end of the previous page about motivation and the military itself - about which I indeed have no clue.
All I’d like to add is a certain amount of caution. I would imagine that part of the motivation to join up may be that you’re looking for structure and stability, probably combined with striving for doing a manly thing to finally prove your worth. Nothing wrong with that in principle. But while I’ve seen these provided externally (in one case even by going to prison and learning some lessons there) this doesn’t always work, I think that civilian life can give you similar opportunities to evolve in the way you’d like to. Let me offer an alternative, which probably is going to be harder on yourself, more painful (if not physically), less macho (I know I’m really selling it to you), but probably in the end more successful: stand up for yourself.
Step 1: Rather than trying to weasel out of your arrests (following old habits I presume), ask yourself if you deserved them. Some of us go through life never being arrested, because we don’t fuck up (real failures of justice aside). You did, repeatedly, you were warned about it and you did it again. So - why not face your fuck ups (like a man should) and take the consequences? Now I know this will hurt - a lot - but think about it: did you do what you’re accused of? If yes, you deserve your punishment. Going back to dealing to pay for the lawyer is probably the most stupid idea possible, and would be showing how weak your will to convert is. Show remorse - admit guilt if you’re guilty and ask for mercy when the time comes.
Step 2: Once your conscience is clear - ask for help. This will be the really humiliatiing part. You’ll probably think that owning up was hard - this will be even harder, as you’ll now have to start relying on the kindness of others to help you (this will apply in addition to any legal punishment of course). Why? Because you have shown that you’re so far not able to handle your problems in a mature way - and to help you resocialise properly. Whom to turn to? Now from your hilarious ‘I got robbed’ thread (has it really been almost a year?) I gather that your mother seems like a decent person who loves you. She would probably be the first person to turn to (should you not have fucked up that relationship already). You’re 17, so you don’t have to feel too bad about it. Probably, she might may be weary of your antics and may not trust your conviction to change your life - so she would be the first person whose trust you’ll have to re-earn. Then - look at proper trustworthy adults. I know they hard to find. I obviously don’t know your circumstances, but I would hope that there are teachers, uncles/aunts, neighbours, older friends, social workers, hell even priests if you’re into religion. Tell them that you’re ready to change, ask them for help to achieve that and prove that you’re worth it. Get rid of all friends whom you’ve dealt/done drugs with and stay away from them as far as you can. You’ll get lots of abuse from the latter, and hopefully some tough love from the others.
Step 3: Make amends. You may think that (your) drug crime is victimless. It’s not. Think about it - have you disappointed some people, lost friends, got into fights, cheated on others? Go and apologise - well at least to the ones who won’t stab you. Best to get involved in a programme where you start talking to peers and tell them how you fucked up - and what effects it’s had on your life. I would imagine that your social worker, probation officer, even the local police might be able to help you with that. This will be hard, but the first thing you’re actually doing to really redeem yourself - by helping others avoid making the choices you did. That’s probably the only thing you’ll get out of your choices so far - the ability to help others avoid them. Do that and you can start to be proud of yourself again.
Step 4: Whatever you do - stay in school, get a degree, do an apprenticeship, get qualificatoins. However shitty your options may seem, lacking a good education will bite you in the arse later. If you have to work shitty jobs for it, and swallow what’s left of your pride, do it. You may need to change the institution in order to get out of your social circles (see above), but it will be worth it. Education is an investment which is always worth it, and the more you get early on, the better. Don’t drink, don’t take drugs, do your fucking homework, go home, train hard and work on your grades - this is pretty much what this whole site is (or at least used to be) all about. Job markets are squeezed and will stay for a while, and you’ll have to work extra hard to get into a job where people will trust and reward your efforts. But in a few years time, you’ll see what impact the good decisions you’ve started to make will have. It will take a while, but it will be worth it.
As for joining the military (or the peace corps, or whatever) - you can do that after all of the above. Then, it wouldn’t look like an attempt to run away and seek discipline and structure from outside of yourself, or drown your guilt in rituals of stereotypical hardness (no offense to service personnel here - I think it’s the motivation that counts). Going there directly right now may lead to a similar result - you being a T-man - but it may not. Be hard on yourself, and you can weather pretty much anything - weaseling out and running away will just lead to more of the same. The choice is yours, now seems to be the time you’ll have to make it.
Honestly, all the best
Makkun
FYI, Parris Island is full right now. They are hardly taking reservists anymore, so with a record, they wont let you in a for a while. I’ve been waiting to go to boot camp for almost a year now, broke my wrists two days before I shipped and I’ll be lucky to leave by December. Get in touch with a recruiter though, I didn’t check your location and I have no idea what the deal is with San Diego. Honestly though, like others have been saying, the military wont straighten you out for you. Also if you hate the government and the country and all, why would you join the branch which gives you the highest chance of seeing combat? Every Marine is a rifleman. Good luck on whatever you decide.
Makkun’s post, like most of Makkun’s posts, was amazing in it’s maturity and reasonableness.
But really? I can’t believe you guys are taking this seriously.
Artem exists as a running joke. From the Oxycodone he needs for his mysterious back pain that no one can find a reason for that for some reason won’t prevent him from making it through the grueling physical activity of boot camp to his heart-attack-seizure-robot moment in the McDonald’s lobby baked off his ass buying a cheat meal during the cut following his less-than-epic bulk to his faux-hardcore attitude in the aftermath of being robbed to the fact that he seems curiously unable to separate good decisions from poor, I think Artem’s just physiologically incapable of being honest with himself.
So when you respond to this thread, remember to do it for the lulz.
[quote]Otep wrote:
Makkun’s post, like most of Makkun’s posts, was amazing in it’s maturity and reasonableness.
But really? I can’t believe you guys are taking this seriously.
Artem exists as a running joke. From the Oxycodone he needs for his mysterious back pain that no one can find a reason for that for some reason won’t prevent him from making it through the grueling physical activity of boot camp to his heart-attack-seizure-robot moment in the McDonald’s lobby baked off his ass buying a cheat meal during the cut following his less-than-epic bulk to his faux-hardcore attitude in the aftermath of being robbed to the fact that he seems curiously unable to separate good decisions from poor, I think Artem’s just physiologically incapable of being honest with himself.
So when you respond to this thread, remember to do it for the lulz.[/quote]
what exactly are lulz, sir?
[quote]Otep wrote:
Makkun’s post, like most of Makkun’s posts, was amazing in it’s maturity and reasonableness.
But really? I can’t believe you guys are taking this seriously.
Artem exists as a running joke. From the Oxycodone he needs for his mysterious back pain that no one can find a reason for that for some reason won’t prevent him from making it through the grueling physical activity of boot camp to his heart-attack-seizure-robot moment in the McDonald’s lobby baked off his ass buying a cheat meal during the cut following his less-than-epic bulk to his faux-hardcore attitude in the aftermath of being robbed to the fact that he seems curiously unable to separate good decisions from poor, I think Artem’s just physiologically incapable of being honest with himself.
So when you respond to this thread, remember to do it for the lulz.[/quote]
Wow, I’ve never seen someone’s T-Nation history summed up so succinctly.
That being said, I haven’t given up on Artem just yet. At 18 I was a pretty big knucklehead (not quite his level, but a knucklehead nonetheless).
[quote]Otep wrote:
Makkun’s post, like most of Makkun’s posts, was amazing in it’s maturity and reasonableness.
But really? I can’t believe you guys are taking this seriously.
Artem exists as a running joke. From the Oxycodone he needs for his mysterious back pain that no one can find a reason for that for some reason won’t prevent him from making it through the grueling physical activity of boot camp to his heart-attack-seizure-robot moment in the McDonald’s lobby baked off his ass buying a cheat meal during the cut following his less-than-epic bulk to his faux-hardcore attitude in the aftermath of being robbed to the fact that he seems curiously unable to separate good decisions from poor, I think Artem’s just physiologically incapable of being honest with himself.
So when you respond to this thread, remember to do it for the lulz.[/quote]
real talk I think he should forget the military and try bulking again
[quote]Otep wrote:
Makkun’s post, like most of Makkun’s posts, was amazing in it’s maturity and reasonableness.
But really? I can’t believe you guys are taking this seriously.
Artem exists as a running joke. From the Oxycodone he needs for his mysterious back pain that no one can find a reason for that for some reason won’t prevent him from making it through the grueling physical activity of boot camp to his heart-attack-seizure-robot moment in the McDonald’s lobby baked off his ass buying a cheat meal during the cut following his less-than-epic bulk to his faux-hardcore attitude in the aftermath of being robbed to the fact that he seems curiously unable to separate good decisions from poor, I think Artem’s just physiologically incapable of being honest with himself.
So when you respond to this thread, remember to do it for the lulz.[/quote]
I lold’d all through this. And those are only the fuck ups you guys know about.
I’m kinda thinking Air Force now.
[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
[quote]Otep wrote:
Makkun’s post, like most of Makkun’s posts, was amazing in it’s maturity and reasonableness.
But really? I can’t believe you guys are taking this seriously.
Artem exists as a running joke. From the Oxycodone he needs for his mysterious back pain that no one can find a reason for that for some reason won’t prevent him from making it through the grueling physical activity of boot camp to his heart-attack-seizure-robot moment in the McDonald’s lobby baked off his ass buying a cheat meal during the cut following his less-than-epic bulk to his faux-hardcore attitude in the aftermath of being robbed to the fact that he seems curiously unable to separate good decisions from poor, I think Artem’s just physiologically incapable of being honest with himself.
So when you respond to this thread, remember to do it for the lulz.[/quote]
real talk I think he should forget the military and try bulking again[/quote]
lold
Dude, if you’ve got any kind of dope charges against you you’re not getting in right now. It’s that simple. I’ve thought a lot about joining up lately but have a class b misdemeanor dope charge holding me back and every recruiter I’ve talked to says I either need to get it expunged [class b’s can’t be expunged so I’d have to get a judge to overturn it into an outright dismissal] or play the waiting game. I’ve talked to lawyers, city councilmen, the head of the probation dept of the town the charge is in, two different judges… A lot of fucking people and according to Uncle Sam I’m fucked until they say I’m not. Looks like you’re gonna have to pull your head outta your ass on your own for long enough to see if you still want to/be able to join.
Honestly, you’re fucked. In this day and age of background checks/security clearances, especially with all you have posted on here @ T-Nation. Do you not think the Military could verify your identity on here also? You have after all posted a face pic many times :). Let’s just say a lot of the stuff you have typed on these forums does not make you look like an honorable person to have helping this country. If I were a recruiter, I’d just laugh in your face.