[quote]PureBreeze wrote:
[quote]Eielson wrote:
[quote]PureBreeze wrote:
When you put 2 people side by side,different things happen… [/quote]
Okay?[/quote]
I hate that I have to elaborate on this but just because someone can run fast by themself, that doesnt mean they can run fast with someone next to them giving them pressure or in the track world we call these people Asafa Powell’s.[/quote]
You know that Bolt already won the Olympics, right?
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]daraz wrote:
It’s kind of disturbing that the would-be outcome of this race is even debated.[/quote]
I think people would watch it if they had some famous athletes racing on tv, enough to draw in some decent ads. The athletes should really try to make it happen.
take some of the top athletes from each sport and have them compete against each other.[/quote]
then they could steal TC’s idea and have megan fox and olivia wilde going at it. so it goes, Race, comercials, hot action, comercials, maybe another race, hot aciotn, comercials, hot action, comercials, hot action, end. man that is pure fucking gold.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
[quote]PureBreeze wrote:
[quote]Eielson wrote:
[quote]PureBreeze wrote:
When you put 2 people side by side,different things happen… [/quote]
Okay?[/quote]
I hate that I have to elaborate on this but just because someone can run fast by themself, that doesnt mean they can run fast with someone next to them giving them pressure or in the track world we call these people Asafa Powell’s.[/quote]
You know that Bolt already won the Olympics, right?[/quote]
I was referring too Asafa Powell.Perfect example was when he broke the world record in Rieti.No one even pushed him.But at the 2007 world champs,Tyson Gay was on his butt,and he broke down.Sorry if I was not clear.
[quote]PureBreeze wrote:
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
[quote]PureBreeze wrote:
[quote]Eielson wrote:
[quote]PureBreeze wrote:
When you put 2 people side by side,different things happen… [/quote]
Okay?[/quote]
I hate that I have to elaborate on this but just because someone can run fast by themself, that doesnt mean they can run fast with someone next to them giving them pressure or in the track world we call these people Asafa Powell’s.[/quote]
You know that Bolt already won the Olympics, right?[/quote]
I was referring too Asafa Powell.Perfect example was when he broke the world record in Rieti.No one even pushed him.But at the 2007 world champs,Tyson Gay was on his butt,and he broke down.Sorry if I was not clear.[/quote]
I hate that I have to elaborate on this but this thread was discussing Chris Johnson and Usain Bolt not Asafa Powell. Sorry if I was not clear.
SMH…LOL. Very well aware of that. Obviously, I still was not clear. I guess if forgot Usain bolt is the fastest sprinter in the world and chris johnson is one of the fastest guys in the NFL.Excuse my ignorance about matters of speed and people.
[quote]PureBreeze wrote:
People tend to forget that Ted Ginn Jr was once the fastest high schooler in the nation. I doubt Chris Johnson is the fastest guy in the NFL. Jamaal Charles would probably have something to say about thae being that hes run 10.1 for 100 meters.DeSean Jackson…Jabari Greer was a Ncaa Champion in the 110 hurdles…Countless other guys that are fast, they just dont get to put it on display…4.2 is good in the 40 but there are plenty of track guys who take offense to that in the NFL.
And to add to that,40s when the person moves,so no doubt dude can move…He can accelerate and hold top end pretty well.[/quote]
Tedd Ginn Jr, isn’t scared for nothing. He knows Chris Johnson is faster.
But your right a race is different, you only need one variable to go right or wrong for their to be a difference. If you took the average every day for a week I’m sure chris would smoke him, I’m sure Ginn is just waiting for the right moment.
As far as bolt there’s only one way to tell whose faster and they don’t want to do it. Far as getting smoked I doubt it. If Chris is running a 4.24 and Bolt a 4.20 it might be be half a stride that bolt wins, a 40 after all doesn’t allow enough time for seperation, and bolts top speed is faster than everybody elses which is why his second half is so dynamic.
Back to Chris, I haven’t seen one player outside of tedd ginn who thinks cj is not the fastest guy in the nfl. I’ve learned when you get a mass group that thinks likes this it tends to be true.
[quote]PureBreeze wrote:
[quote]Eielson wrote:
[quote]PureBreeze wrote:
When you put 2 people side by side,different things happen… [/quote]
Okay?[/quote]
I hate that I have to elaborate on this but just because someone can run fast by themself, that doesnt mean they can run fast with someone next to them giving them pressure or in the track world we call these people Asafa Powell’s.[/quote]
Seriously? This guy runs into 250 pound freaks of nature wanting to hurt him every Sunday, and you think he can’t handle the pressure of running NEXT to a guy? To say he isn’t fast enough is one thing, but to say he can’t handle the pressure is just dumb.
Anyway, what you’re trying to say is that Chris Johnson is only as fast as Asafa Powell?
sorry to change the subject from johnson, but what about CJ spiller. big if here, IF ESPN was correct when they timed CJ Spiller during his kick off return, he hit a top speed of well over 28 mph with pads on, while holding a ball. He seems like he would definitely be a contender against Bolt.
Oh Just an FYI, I’m not sure if he still has all the speed, but bennett of 2001 would have beaten CJ. And his 100M time was 10.1 or something.
Michael A. Bennett (born August 13, 1978 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin) is an American football running back for the San Diego Chargers of the National Football League. He was drafted by the Minnesota Vikings 27th overall in the 2001 NFL Draft. He played college football at Wisconsin. He was one of the fastest sprinters in college history clocking in a record 4.13 in the 40-yard dash, the fastest in NFL history.
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Also this.
Darrell Green, who ran one of the fastest 40-yard dashes ever at 4.09 seconds,[1] had a collegiate best of 10.08 s in the 100 meters.[2] Justin Gatlin, who ran 9.85 s for a gold medal at the 2004 Olympic 100 metres, has a verified 40-yard dash best of 4.42 s.[3] This reflects the difference that timing methods can cause to a runner’s time. However, this disparity could be caused by differences in endurance as well.
So I will at least give CJ a reasonable chance to be next to bolt in the 40. I think it’s stupid though, as it’s too short of a race. Also if he could beat him in a 40 it would mean he is quicker than bolt, not faster. Bolt is faster no matter how you slice it.
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I think Spiller and Johnson would have respectable (similar) times to Bolt in the 40 based soley on acceleration and starting time.
I know that the last 40 yards of the record 100 m Bolt ran a sub 4.0 sec. But that was the last 40 yards.
I also think Johnson and Spiller would take him on the pro shuttle…different animals with different skills.
I would like to see it. Another point is the stride difference. I think shorter strides may aid in the 40. Where in 100, Bolt just glides with those last stides.
Last thing I got to get a hair cut…
Anyone hear about Johnson and Rondo supposedly racing for 2k? It won’t happen but I like to think Johnson would beat his ass. Enjoy.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
If Johnson can still run a 4.24 40yd, it’s not unreasonable that he could beat Bolt. There are no 40yd splits on Bolt, but there are 40m times. Assume that Johnson can hold his 40yd speed for an extra 3 yards or so and tack on an extra 0.05. Assume he has a comparable reaction time to the gun (about 0.14) and tack on 0.24 to account for the hand-start.
Johnson: 4.24 + 0.05 + 0.14 + 0.24 = 4.67 theoretical 40m time
Bolt’s 40m split when he ran the world record was 4.64
A lot of variables there obviously, but it’s not inconceivable. Also, remember that just because somebody CAN run a certain time doesn’t mean they WILL- just ask Asafa Powell! The numbers seem to suggest that Johnson’s best is close enough to Bolt’s best that Johnson could beat Bolt in a 40-yard race where Bolt is not running his best.[/quote]
Correction to this:
I should have tacked on something like 0.30 for the 40yd to 40m conversion, not 0.05.
So, even on a track with starting blocks, I can’t see Johnson going faster than 4.85 or so in the 40m, which would still be very fast, but a notch below the guys in Beijing. I stand corrected.
I feel the need to geekify this shit up since I’m on holidays and haven’t used my brain for a while.
Using the official splits, and that 40yds converts into 36.576m, I’ve taken a the appropriate fraction of the 20-40m split and added it to the 0-20m split. We’re still dealing with the average, so it’s not a 100% accurate, but it should be somewhat more so than doing a fraction of the 0-40m.
It ends up giving a predicted 40yd of 4.3404. Bear in mind that a reaction time of less than 0.10 of a second will result in a disqualification, so Bolt is already at a 4.2404 maximum time if the combine hand timing was replaced by an electronic, flawless system. The official reaction time of Bolt in Berlin was 0.146, so you’re still looking at 4.1998 before the delay of the hand timing comes into play. Taking it into account you’re looking at a further 0.1 reduction, possibly more.
So the numbers would indicate that if Bolt had a run like in Berlin, he would win even without the assistance of a hand-timing error.
It is interesting that his credentials are being questioned over a short distance after Berlin, particularly if the splits are accurate… He lead the race the entire way over Gay and Powell.
In context, Gay ran 9.71 and if it had been 60m he would have equalled Maurice Greene’s WR. By comparison, Bolt would have monstered the 60m world record by 0.08 seconds. I don’t think the record has ever been broken by that much in my lifetime. Maurice Greene has also equalled the 50m world record, so he’s no slouch over the shorter distance.
To top it all off, Bolt had a faster reaction time in the semi-final than the final, giving him some leeway for an improved time.
By all accounts and by what I’ve been able to find in documented results and frame-by-frame time breakdown, Bolt appears to be going faster over a short distance than Maurice Greene, Donovan Bailey and even Ben Johnson’s stupidly fast start in 1988. I’m interested (since I’m bored) to see if anyone has seen any documented faster 40m or 60m splits?
Anyhow, this is probably going to get ignored so… carry on!
For those wanting to check if I messed up, the initial table:
and the math:
I know im late on this.
Spiller is fast too. But he isnt even the fastest person on his team.Jacoby Ford has run 6.51 for 60 meters. I would find it hard for anyone to beat Trindon Holliday in 40 being he is 5’5 has a ridiculous start and has run 10.0 and Jeffrey Demps from Florida who has run 10.01.
Do they still do the fastest man at the pro bowl?
Interesting article…
I know how fast I can run and I remember being amazed when, during the Olympics, a sportscaster stated Bolts foot speed was 25mph… That number is kind of hard to forget. It messes with my head every time I’m on the treadmill…
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
This is insane that some people are even taking this seriously. Johnson is probably the fastest guy in the NFL right now, with the possible exception of Ginn. Shit, Johnson might be the fastest guy in sports that’s not an actual sprinter. With that, to even think he could compete with any pro sprinter is fucking retarded. This kid is programmed to burst, get knocked down and start over. Sprinters are programmed to sprint. If Johnson tried to race ANY pro sprinter he gets his doors blown off.
PS. Chambers took it WAY easy on Levrone.[/quote]
x2.
haha for some reason I initially read this thread title as “Johnson Thinks He Can Beat Bolton”. Imagine my surprise when I found out it was Chris Johnson of NFL fame and not some big named Powerlifter!
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]daraz wrote:
It’s kind of disturbing that the would-be outcome of this race is even debated.[/quote]
I think people would watch it if they had some famous athletes racing on tv, enough to draw in some decent ads. The athletes should really try to make it happen.
take some of the top athletes from each sport and have them compete against each other.[/quote]
Would be good to watch.
There is no way you can say CJ would get smoked in a 50m sprint. There are a lot of players in the NFL that used to be sprinters (not olympic) but went into football. Anyway if you had the choice of either being a successful RB in the NFL or a sprinter most people would choose to play in the NFL, plus you get a hell of a lot more money in the NFL