Yes i am aware of that. I’m just saying since it is a shorter distance that stride length can also hamper bolt in a way, unless he is able to have the same stride frequency as johnson. Now, I am not saying that johnson would win by any means, as I think bolt would win by a good amount as that is his career as you said. I’ve also heard that the 100m runners don’t run as fast in the 40 as everyone thnks they do? Anyone have info on that? I heard bolt would run anywhere from 3.78 to 4.28 lol. great info…not. I would be interested to see the difference between 100m runners in their start speeds and whatnot, as some get out of the blocks much better but tail off at the midpoint to endpoint. Too bad we don’t really have detailed analysis of those type of races.
Agreed, more information would be needed.
Chris Johnson DID run a 4.24 in the 40. Not too long ago Justin Gatlin had the record for the 100M. He tried to play football and was recorded running a 4.42 in the 40. I know Bolt is much faster in the 100M than Gatlin, but .18 is a HUGE difference in the 40.
Somebody mentioned something about Johnson thinking he could “beat Bolt at his own sport.” That’s not true at all. The 40 yard dash is Chris Johnson’s sport. Chris Johnson is the one who had millions of dollars riding on how fast he ran that 40 at the combine. Bolt’s primary concern is how fast he runs the 100M and the 200M. Johnson said he felt he could beat him in a race of about 50 yards, so that is closer to the 40.
I’m not saying Johnson would win, but I wouldn’t be so sure Bolt would win, and I definitely don’t see Johnson getting “smoked”.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
He is fast, and he would beat Ginn Jr, but he’s smoking some good shit if he thinks he could touch Bolt.
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Awesome agility and no pussy either. That was fun to watch.
Bolt would still smoke him.
I think I heard or read T.O. say he could take the 100m WR if he trained for it.
What if Bolt and Johnson both put pads on and ran at each other full speed, now that would be something worth watching.
This is insane that some people are even taking this seriously. Johnson is probably the fastest guy in the NFL right now, with the possible exception of Ginn. Shit, Johnson might be the fastest guy in sports that’s not an actual sprinter. With that, to even think he could compete with any pro sprinter is fucking retarded. This kid is programmed to burst, get knocked down and start over. Sprinters are programmed to sprint. If Johnson tried to race ANY pro sprinter he gets his doors blown off.
PS. Chambers took it WAY easy on Levrone.
[quote]Eielson wrote:
Chris Johnson DID run a 4.24 in the 40. Not too long ago Justin Gatlin had the record for the 100M. He tried to play football and was recorded running a 4.42 in the 40. I know Bolt is much faster in the 100M than Gatlin, but .18 is a HUGE difference in the 40.
Somebody mentioned something about Johnson thinking he could “beat Bolt at his own sport.” That’s not true at all. The 40 yard dash is Chris Johnson’s sport. Chris Johnson is the one who had millions of dollars riding on how fast he ran that 40 at the combine. Bolt’s primary concern is how fast he runs the 100M and the 200M. Johnson said he felt he could beat him in a race of about 50 yards, so that is closer to the 40.
I’m not saying Johnson would win, but I wouldn’t be so sure Bolt would win, and I definitely don’t see Johnson getting “smoked”.[/quote]
Agreed. People seem to be forgetting that johnson is an elite athlete as well. I think we recognize that johnson would not be able to hang with bolt over 100m. But in a shorter sprint where bolt will not be able to fully utilize his amazing stride and top end speed, the race should be a lot closer than people think.
lol Am I the only one who has google? Chris Johnson ran a 10.38 in the 100meter (college) fast enough to get completely blown out by bolt. He actually came in second to walter dix, who ended up getting smoked by bolt. He would be back at the 70 by time Bolt gets to the finish line. Far as the 40, as of right not he would probably beat Bolt. Bolt usually isn’t even standing up until about the 40 and the little people are usually slightly ahead of him. Considering in the 40 many nfl’ers can keep up or run faster than track stars chris johnson would probably win. Now if Bolt worked on a 40 all year who knows.
Chris johnson is still pretty impressive. at 200 lbs to be able to run a 4.24 40, 10.38 100 43.5 vertical and still have upper body strength to put up 375 is pretty damn athletic.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
=With that, to even think he could compete with any pro sprinter is fucking retarded.[/quote]
I guess I’m fucking retarded.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
lol Am I the only one who has google? Chris Johnson ran a 10.38 in the 100meter (college) fast enough to get completely blown out by bolt. He actually came in second to walter dix, who ended up getting smoked by bolt. He would be back at the 70 by time Bolt gets to the finish line. Far as the 40, as of right not he would probably beat Bolt. Bolt usually isn’t even standing up until about the 40 and the little people are usually slightly ahead of him. Considering in the 40 many nfl’ers can keep up or run faster than track stars chris johnson would probably win. Now if Bolt worked on a 40 all year who knows.
Chris johnson is still pretty impressive. at 200 lbs to be able to run a 4.24 40, 10.38 100 43.5 vertical and still have upper body strength to put up 375 is pretty damn athletic.[/quote]
He’s more than pretty impressive, athletically he’s a freak of nature. He’s just not gonna be able to compete with a pro sprinter, let alone beat the greatest sprinter in the history of the universe.
It’s comedy, laugh.
I don’t know why everyone thinks Bolt’s start is slow even compared to other top sprinters. He’s been trying to improve it and if you look at his 9.58 world record at the world championships, you can see that he’s in front pretty much the entire time.
[quote]Houston07 wrote:
Obviously, in such a short yardage sprint, Bolt couldn’t blow him out. Nonetheless, money, it would be extremely decisive. Bolt’s stride length alone would ensure him a comfortable victory. Also, it’s irrelevant about the fact that Bolt is “sometimes behind after 50” for two reasons…1.) Those are other world class sprinters, not nfl running backs beating him temporarily and 2.)Bolt runs his race that way for a reason (he knows when to shift into what gear, etc., much more strategy goes into a 100 than the average person speculates). Agreed they’re both phenoms; however, anyone who doubts Bolt’s ability to blow a nfl runningback out of the water in a foot race has obviously never watched him run. That would be like saying Bolt might be better with a football in his hands. No fucking way. Johnson would be better with a football in his hands. It’s what he does. It’s his career. [/quote]
Please illuminate the “strategy” by which a sprinter would purposefully be behind at 50? There is no acceleration after at or around that point, so I’d like to hear this “strategy”.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
This is insane that some people are even taking this seriously. Johnson is probably the fastest guy in the NFL right now, with the possible exception of Ginn. Shit, Johnson might be the fastest guy in sports that’s not an actual sprinter. With that, to even think he could compete with any pro sprinter is fucking retarded. This kid is programmed to burst, get knocked down and start over. Sprinters are programmed to sprint. If Johnson tried to race ANY pro sprinter he gets his doors blown off.
PS. Chambers took it WAY easy on Levrone.[/quote]
In a very broad sense, I agree with you. But over 50 yards I’m not so sure about it. Over 50 he certainly does not get his doors blown off as you say. No way. No how. It would be interesting to watch, but it will never happen so ultimately this thread is debating whether Superman could defeat Batman in a fight.
[quote]ntr wrote:
I don’t know why everyone thinks Bolt’s start is slow even compared to other top sprinters. He’s been trying to improve it and if you look at his 9.58 world record at the world championships, you can see that he’s in front pretty much the entire time.[/quote]
As someone said earlier, bolt is unusually tall for a sprinter and his length and the time it takes for him to become fully upright probably has alot of impact on where he is at around 50 yards. He would certainly be at a relative disadvantage from 0-50. He’d have to get upright alot sooner in my opinion. Another intangile is whether in this imaginary race if they would start from blocks or not. If bolt is not starting from blocks, he’s going to be upright sooner and be less disadvantaged v. a guy like Johnson. Between the two, the margin at 50 yards would be small so it would definitely be interesting in my opinion.
Uhh… where does that article say anything about beating Bolt?
They’re talking about Ted Ginn.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Uhh… where does that article say anything about beating Bolt?
They’re talking about Ted Ginn. [/quote]
I was thinking the same thing so I read some comments on the article. Apparently, they article headline used to say something about bolt but it now reads:
“Porter weighs in on Johnson-Ginn running feud”
I guess they changed it after this thread was made.
They did change the article. Here’s a couple of others that talk about it.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5i375sAmcGcGMmkb-OBUPsCb-iLAg
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/story/1385604.html
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20091217/SPORTS01/912170361/Chris+Johnson+says+he+d+win+race
In this article, Miami linebacker Channing Crowder said Johnson might be Bolt in the 100. For those of you wondering if Crowder is crazy… this pic says it all:
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/08/analysis-of-bolts-958-wr.html
I found this by googling for the splits. I thought I remembered some seeing some unofficial splits which showed that he started to slow down at the 80-90 meter portion, but these official splits only come in 20’s so you can’t really tell. Still, you can tell that he keeps accelerating past 60 meters and that he is ahead pretty much from the start.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Uhh… where does that article say anything about beating Bolt?
They’re talking about Ted Ginn. [/quote]
There’s a direct quote from Johnson saying he thinks he could beat Bolt in the 50m, and one of his teammates saying something about how nobody understands how fast he is and that he could probably beat Bolt in the 100m.