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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
paying players huh?

So you mean that the completely free education the receive, on top of the immense recognition for being a d1 college athlete(starter or not), on top of the unlimited connections the will make isn’t enough for them?

Also so they pay these guys at the d1 level, why wouldn’t they pay at the d2 level, or d3 level. where does it stop?

[/quote]

My suggestion amounted to $600 a year. And yes, I would apply it to all levels. I’m speaking specifically about the summer. Why is an amount that small such a hard pill to swallow? You give that to 100 athletes (football and any other sports that have huge summer requirements), and you’re talking about 60k. That’s it. That’s where it stops.[/quote]
I dont know Flip, the NCAA is already convoluted enough.

Instead just carry the kids through the summer, let them stay in the dorms, food etc. Make them take summer classes etc. [/quote]

So adding in an NCAA rule that mandates the following: “All students required to participate in NCAA athletic programs during the summer shall receive a 600 dollar stipend, in addition to room and board” is too convoluted?

You can’t make them take summer classes, that’s ridiculous. What purpose would that serve? Why would you give student athletes a more rigorous course load than other students?[/quote]

  1. by convoluted, more rules, more regulation and more policing

  2. Why would taking summer classes be ridiculous. I went to college for 14 years and took summer classes? They could actually lighten the load of the other two semesters during their sport. (Plus it was just a thought, playing devils advocate) [/quote]

  3. Implementing a player benefit is not policing in my opinion.

  4. I took summer classes too. But I wasn’t forced to. Allow them to take classes? Yes. Make them? No.[/quote]

  5. Someone will have to monitor all those accounts nationwide to make sure nothing “excessive” is going on.

  6. Allow them to take classes during the summer and less during the sports semester.

I just never understood why you needed to vacate the dorm during summer? [/quote]

I guess it’s different at other schools. I lived in a dorm during the summer 1 year. I was an RA. Students taking classes and athletes were able to live in the dorm as well.

We had 1 cafeteria open during the summer, and it was shitty fast food. That was all our meal plan covered. I had the means to eat out from time to time, but many of the athletes did not. That sucks. And I just don’t see a good reason for it.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
paying players huh?

So you mean that the completely free education the receive, on top of the immense recognition for being a d1 college athlete(starter or not), on top of the unlimited connections the will make isn’t enough for them?

Also so they pay these guys at the d1 level, why wouldn’t they pay at the d2 level, or d3 level. where does it stop?

[/quote]

My suggestion amounted to $600 a year. And yes, I would apply it to all levels. I’m speaking specifically about the summer. Why is an amount that small such a hard pill to swallow? You give that to 100 athletes (football and any other sports that have huge summer requirements), and you’re talking about 60k. That’s it. That’s where it stops.[/quote]
I dont know Flip, the NCAA is already convoluted enough.

Instead just carry the kids through the summer, let them stay in the dorms, food etc. Make them take summer classes etc. [/quote]

So adding in an NCAA rule that mandates the following: “All students required to participate in NCAA athletic programs during the summer shall receive a 600 dollar stipend, in addition to room and board” is too convoluted?

You can’t make them take summer classes, that’s ridiculous. What purpose would that serve? Why would you give student athletes a more rigorous course load than other students?[/quote]

  1. by convoluted, more rules, more regulation and more policing

  2. Why would taking summer classes be ridiculous. I went to college for 14 years and took summer classes? They could actually lighten the load of the other two semesters during their sport. (Plus it was just a thought, playing devils advocate) [/quote]

  3. Implementing a player benefit is not policing in my opinion.

  4. I took summer classes too. But I wasn’t forced to. Allow them to take classes? Yes. Make them? No.[/quote]

  5. Someone will have to monitor all those accounts nationwide to make sure nothing “excessive” is going on.

  6. Allow them to take classes during the summer and less during the sports semester.

I just never understood why you needed to vacate the dorm during summer? [/quote]

I guess it’s different at other schools. I lived in a dorm during the summer 1 year. I was an RA. Students taking classes and athletes were able to live in the dorm as well.

We had 1 cafeteria open during the summer, and it was shitty fast food. That was all our meal plan covered. I had the means to eat out from time to time, but many of the athletes did not. That sucks. And I just don’t see a good reason for it.[/quote]

I dont know, I see that their basic needs are taken care of, shelter and food. They are getting a free education and potential for a career playing a sport. Not much of a sacrifice in my eyes.
So they should not have any struggles in their life?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
paying players huh?

So you mean that the completely free education the receive, on top of the immense recognition for being a d1 college athlete(starter or not), on top of the unlimited connections the will make isn’t enough for them?

Also so they pay these guys at the d1 level, why wouldn’t they pay at the d2 level, or d3 level. where does it stop?

[/quote]

My suggestion amounted to $600 a year. And yes, I would apply it to all levels. I’m speaking specifically about the summer. Why is an amount that small such a hard pill to swallow? You give that to 100 athletes (football and any other sports that have huge summer requirements), and you’re talking about 60k. That’s it. That’s where it stops.[/quote]
I dont know Flip, the NCAA is already convoluted enough.

Instead just carry the kids through the summer, let them stay in the dorms, food etc. Make them take summer classes etc. [/quote]

So adding in an NCAA rule that mandates the following: “All students required to participate in NCAA athletic programs during the summer shall receive a 600 dollar stipend, in addition to room and board” is too convoluted?

You can’t make them take summer classes, that’s ridiculous. What purpose would that serve? Why would you give student athletes a more rigorous course load than other students?[/quote]

  1. by convoluted, more rules, more regulation and more policing

  2. Why would taking summer classes be ridiculous. I went to college for 14 years and took summer classes? They could actually lighten the load of the other two semesters during their sport. (Plus it was just a thought, playing devils advocate) [/quote]

  3. Implementing a player benefit is not policing in my opinion.

  4. I took summer classes too. But I wasn’t forced to. Allow them to take classes? Yes. Make them? No.[/quote]

  5. Someone will have to monitor all those accounts nationwide to make sure nothing “excessive” is going on.

  6. Allow them to take classes during the summer and less during the sports semester.

I just never understood why you needed to vacate the dorm during summer? [/quote]

I guess it’s different at other schools. I lived in a dorm during the summer 1 year. I was an RA. Students taking classes and athletes were able to live in the dorm as well.

We had 1 cafeteria open during the summer, and it was shitty fast food. That was all our meal plan covered. I had the means to eat out from time to time, but many of the athletes did not. That sucks. And I just don’t see a good reason for it.[/quote]

I dont know, I see that their basic needs are taken care of, shelter and food. They are getting a free education and potential for a career playing a sport. Not much of a sacrifice in my eyes.
So they should not have any struggles in their life? [/quote]

See my post last post before this one. 600 dollars is not life-changing money. It’s easily affordable on the end of the university, as the total amount comes to less than 6 figures, and it gives a little bit of flexibility to the athletes. Why take a stance against it?

I can’t agree with the ‘potential for a career’ part. I went to SMU in the early 2000’s. We sent 2 or 3 guys to the NFL while I was at school. Out of 100’s who came through the program. Plenty of programs, especially at the D2 and D3 levels, send zero. Even the absolute best programs don’t get more than a dozen guys drafted in any given year. I’ve made it clear all along that this is a benefit in the best interests of student-athletes, rather than the few athlete-students.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
paying players huh?

So you mean that the completely free education the receive, on top of the immense recognition for being a d1 college athlete(starter or not), on top of the unlimited connections the will make isn’t enough for them?

Also so they pay these guys at the d1 level, why wouldn’t they pay at the d2 level, or d3 level. where does it stop?

[/quote]

My suggestion amounted to $600 a year. And yes, I would apply it to all levels. I’m speaking specifically about the summer. Why is an amount that small such a hard pill to swallow? You give that to 100 athletes (football and any other sports that have huge summer requirements), and you’re talking about 60k. That’s it. That’s where it stops.[/quote]
I dont know Flip, the NCAA is already convoluted enough.

Instead just carry the kids through the summer, let them stay in the dorms, food etc. Make them take summer classes etc. [/quote]

So adding in an NCAA rule that mandates the following: “All students required to participate in NCAA athletic programs during the summer shall receive a 600 dollar stipend, in addition to room and board” is too convoluted?

You can’t make them take summer classes, that’s ridiculous. What purpose would that serve? Why would you give student athletes a more rigorous course load than other students?[/quote]

  1. by convoluted, more rules, more regulation and more policing

  2. Why would taking summer classes be ridiculous. I went to college for 14 years and took summer classes? They could actually lighten the load of the other two semesters during their sport. (Plus it was just a thought, playing devils advocate) [/quote]

  3. Implementing a player benefit is not policing in my opinion.

  4. I took summer classes too. But I wasn’t forced to. Allow them to take classes? Yes. Make them? No.[/quote]

  5. Someone will have to monitor all those accounts nationwide to make sure nothing “excessive” is going on.

  6. Allow them to take classes during the summer and less during the sports semester.

I just never understood why you needed to vacate the dorm during summer? [/quote]

I guess it’s different at other schools. I lived in a dorm during the summer 1 year. I was an RA. Students taking classes and athletes were able to live in the dorm as well.

We had 1 cafeteria open during the summer, and it was shitty fast food. That was all our meal plan covered. I had the means to eat out from time to time, but many of the athletes did not. That sucks. And I just don’t see a good reason for it.[/quote]

I dont know, I see that their basic needs are taken care of, shelter and food. They are getting a free education and potential for a career playing a sport. Not much of a sacrifice in my eyes.
So they should not have any struggles in their life? [/quote]

See my post last post before this one. 600 dollars is not life-changing money. It’s easily affordable on the end of the university, as the total amount comes to less than 6 figures, and it gives a little bit of flexibility to the athletes. Why take a stance against it?

I can’t agree with the ‘potential for a career’ part. I went to SMU in the early 2000’s. We sent 2 or 3 guys to the NFL while I was at school. Out of 100’s who came through the program. Plenty of programs, especially at the D2 and D3 levels, send zero. Even the absolute best programs don’t get more than a dozen guys drafted in any given year. I’ve made it clear all along that this is a benefit in the best interests of student-athletes, rather than the few athlete-students.[/quote]
? Arent they going to school?

I didnt play any sports and I got a career out of college.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
paying players huh?

So you mean that the completely free education the receive, on top of the immense recognition for being a d1 college athlete(starter or not), on top of the unlimited connections the will make isn’t enough for them?

Also so they pay these guys at the d1 level, why wouldn’t they pay at the d2 level, or d3 level. where does it stop?

[/quote]

My suggestion amounted to $600 a year. And yes, I would apply it to all levels. I’m speaking specifically about the summer. Why is an amount that small such a hard pill to swallow? You give that to 100 athletes (football and any other sports that have huge summer requirements), and you’re talking about 60k. That’s it. That’s where it stops.[/quote]
I dont know Flip, the NCAA is already convoluted enough.

Instead just carry the kids through the summer, let them stay in the dorms, food etc. Make them take summer classes etc. [/quote]

So adding in an NCAA rule that mandates the following: “All students required to participate in NCAA athletic programs during the summer shall receive a 600 dollar stipend, in addition to room and board” is too convoluted?

You can’t make them take summer classes, that’s ridiculous. What purpose would that serve? Why would you give student athletes a more rigorous course load than other students?[/quote]

  1. by convoluted, more rules, more regulation and more policing

  2. Why would taking summer classes be ridiculous. I went to college for 14 years and took summer classes? They could actually lighten the load of the other two semesters during their sport. (Plus it was just a thought, playing devils advocate) [/quote]

  3. Implementing a player benefit is not policing in my opinion.

  4. I took summer classes too. But I wasn’t forced to. Allow them to take classes? Yes. Make them? No.[/quote]

  5. Someone will have to monitor all those accounts nationwide to make sure nothing “excessive” is going on.

  6. Allow them to take classes during the summer and less during the sports semester.

I just never understood why you needed to vacate the dorm during summer? [/quote]

I guess it’s different at other schools. I lived in a dorm during the summer 1 year. I was an RA. Students taking classes and athletes were able to live in the dorm as well.

We had 1 cafeteria open during the summer, and it was shitty fast food. That was all our meal plan covered. I had the means to eat out from time to time, but many of the athletes did not. That sucks. And I just don’t see a good reason for it.[/quote]

I dont know, I see that their basic needs are taken care of, shelter and food. They are getting a free education and potential for a career playing a sport. Not much of a sacrifice in my eyes.
So they should not have any struggles in their life? [/quote]

See my post last post before this one. 600 dollars is not life-changing money. It’s easily affordable on the end of the university, as the total amount comes to less than 6 figures, and it gives a little bit of flexibility to the athletes. Why take a stance against it?

I can’t agree with the ‘potential for a career’ part. I went to SMU in the early 2000’s. We sent 2 or 3 guys to the NFL while I was at school. Out of 100’s who came through the program. Plenty of programs, especially at the D2 and D3 levels, send zero. Even the absolute best programs don’t get more than a dozen guys drafted in any given year. I’ve made it clear all along that this is a benefit in the best interests of student-athletes, rather than the few athlete-students.[/quote]
? Arent they going to school?

I didnt play any sports and I got a career out of college.[/quote]

Come on Derek. Your original quote was “potential for a career playing a sport”. This is what we’re talking about. Just because I shortened the wording in my response doesn’t mean I wasn’t talking about the same thing.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
paying players huh?

So you mean that the completely free education the receive, on top of the immense recognition for being a d1 college athlete(starter or not), on top of the unlimited connections the will make isn’t enough for them?

Also so they pay these guys at the d1 level, why wouldn’t they pay at the d2 level, or d3 level. where does it stop?

[/quote]

My suggestion amounted to $600 a year. And yes, I would apply it to all levels. I’m speaking specifically about the summer. Why is an amount that small such a hard pill to swallow? You give that to 100 athletes (football and any other sports that have huge summer requirements), and you’re talking about 60k. That’s it. That’s where it stops.[/quote]
I dont know Flip, the NCAA is already convoluted enough.

Instead just carry the kids through the summer, let them stay in the dorms, food etc. Make them take summer classes etc. [/quote]

So adding in an NCAA rule that mandates the following: “All students required to participate in NCAA athletic programs during the summer shall receive a 600 dollar stipend, in addition to room and board” is too convoluted?

You can’t make them take summer classes, that’s ridiculous. What purpose would that serve? Why would you give student athletes a more rigorous course load than other students?[/quote]

  1. by convoluted, more rules, more regulation and more policing

  2. Why would taking summer classes be ridiculous. I went to college for 14 years and took summer classes? They could actually lighten the load of the other two semesters during their sport. (Plus it was just a thought, playing devils advocate) [/quote]

  3. Implementing a player benefit is not policing in my opinion.

  4. I took summer classes too. But I wasn’t forced to. Allow them to take classes? Yes. Make them? No.[/quote]

  5. Someone will have to monitor all those accounts nationwide to make sure nothing “excessive” is going on.

  6. Allow them to take classes during the summer and less during the sports semester.

I just never understood why you needed to vacate the dorm during summer? [/quote]

I guess it’s different at other schools. I lived in a dorm during the summer 1 year. I was an RA. Students taking classes and athletes were able to live in the dorm as well.

We had 1 cafeteria open during the summer, and it was shitty fast food. That was all our meal plan covered. I had the means to eat out from time to time, but many of the athletes did not. That sucks. And I just don’t see a good reason for it.[/quote]

I dont know, I see that their basic needs are taken care of, shelter and food. They are getting a free education and potential for a career playing a sport. Not much of a sacrifice in my eyes.
So they should not have any struggles in their life? [/quote]

See my post last post before this one. 600 dollars is not life-changing money. It’s easily affordable on the end of the university, as the total amount comes to less than 6 figures, and it gives a little bit of flexibility to the athletes. Why take a stance against it?

I can’t agree with the ‘potential for a career’ part. I went to SMU in the early 2000’s. We sent 2 or 3 guys to the NFL while I was at school. Out of 100’s who came through the program. Plenty of programs, especially at the D2 and D3 levels, send zero. Even the absolute best programs don’t get more than a dozen guys drafted in any given year. I’ve made it clear all along that this is a benefit in the best interests of student-athletes, rather than the few athlete-students.[/quote]
? Arent they going to school?

I didnt play any sports and I got a career out of college.[/quote]

Come on Derek. Your original quote was “potential for a career playing a sport”. This is what we’re talking about. Just because I shortened the wording in my response doesn’t mean I wasn’t talking about the same thing.[/quote]
Lol, yea I know

What were we talking about?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
paying players huh?

So you mean that the completely free education the receive, on top of the immense recognition for being a d1 college athlete(starter or not), on top of the unlimited connections the will make isn’t enough for them?

Also so they pay these guys at the d1 level, why wouldn’t they pay at the d2 level, or d3 level. where does it stop?

[/quote]

My suggestion amounted to $600 a year. And yes, I would apply it to all levels. I’m speaking specifically about the summer. Why is an amount that small such a hard pill to swallow? You give that to 100 athletes (football and any other sports that have huge summer requirements), and you’re talking about 60k. That’s it. That’s where it stops.[/quote]
I dont know Flip, the NCAA is already convoluted enough.

Instead just carry the kids through the summer, let them stay in the dorms, food etc. Make them take summer classes etc. [/quote]

So adding in an NCAA rule that mandates the following: “All students required to participate in NCAA athletic programs during the summer shall receive a 600 dollar stipend, in addition to room and board” is too convoluted?

You can’t make them take summer classes, that’s ridiculous. What purpose would that serve? Why would you give student athletes a more rigorous course load than other students?[/quote]

  1. by convoluted, more rules, more regulation and more policing

  2. Why would taking summer classes be ridiculous. I went to college for 14 years and took summer classes? They could actually lighten the load of the other two semesters during their sport. (Plus it was just a thought, playing devils advocate) [/quote]

  3. Implementing a player benefit is not policing in my opinion.

  4. I took summer classes too. But I wasn’t forced to. Allow them to take classes? Yes. Make them? No.[/quote]

  5. Someone will have to monitor all those accounts nationwide to make sure nothing “excessive” is going on.

  6. Allow them to take classes during the summer and less during the sports semester.

I just never understood why you needed to vacate the dorm during summer? [/quote]

I guess it’s different at other schools. I lived in a dorm during the summer 1 year. I was an RA. Students taking classes and athletes were able to live in the dorm as well.

We had 1 cafeteria open during the summer, and it was shitty fast food. That was all our meal plan covered. I had the means to eat out from time to time, but many of the athletes did not. That sucks. And I just don’t see a good reason for it.[/quote]

I dont know, I see that their basic needs are taken care of, shelter and food. They are getting a free education and potential for a career playing a sport. Not much of a sacrifice in my eyes.
So they should not have any struggles in their life? [/quote]

See my post last post before this one. 600 dollars is not life-changing money. It’s easily affordable on the end of the university, as the total amount comes to less than 6 figures, and it gives a little bit of flexibility to the athletes. Why take a stance against it?

I can’t agree with the ‘potential for a career’ part. I went to SMU in the early 2000’s. We sent 2 or 3 guys to the NFL while I was at school. Out of 100’s who came through the program. Plenty of programs, especially at the D2 and D3 levels, send zero. Even the absolute best programs don’t get more than a dozen guys drafted in any given year. I’ve made it clear all along that this is a benefit in the best interests of student-athletes, rather than the few athlete-students.[/quote]
? Arent they going to school?

I didnt play any sports and I got a career out of college.[/quote]

Come on Derek. Your original quote was “potential for a career playing a sport”. This is what we’re talking about. Just because I shortened the wording in my response doesn’t mean I wasn’t talking about the same thing.[/quote]
Lol, yea I know

What were we talking about? [/quote]

This: http://www.sportspickle.com/2013/08/10-amazing-things-about-the-website-of-jim-darnell-johnny-manziels-attorney

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Flip I don’t understand your suggestion.

If it’s truly just giving them $600 a year do you honestly think that would have an effect?

Do you think Johnny is in trouble right now because of $600, these kids wouldn’t take the risk they take over $600, and they are allowed jobs that pull in way more then $600. 15 years ago the average d1 player I knew was giving $175 a week for food, that’s outside of the personal chef and personal buffet they had. Plus tuition, room and board. I was living off of $5 a week as a regular student eating ramen noodles and going to group meetings just to eat pizza.

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When are football players required to report for the summer?

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
paying players huh?

So you mean that the completely free education the receive, on top of the immense recognition for being a d1 college athlete(starter or not), on top of the unlimited connections the will make isn’t enough for them?

Also so they pay these guys at the d1 level, why wouldn’t they pay at the d2 level, or d3 level. where does it stop?

[/quote]

My suggestion amounted to $600 a year. And yes, I would apply it to all levels. I’m speaking specifically about the summer. Why is an amount that small such a hard pill to swallow? You give that to 100 athletes (football and any other sports that have huge summer requirements), and you’re talking about 60k. That’s it. That’s where it stops.[/quote]
I dont know Flip, the NCAA is already convoluted enough.

Instead just carry the kids through the summer, let them stay in the dorms, food etc. Make them take summer classes etc. [/quote]

So adding in an NCAA rule that mandates the following: “All students required to participate in NCAA athletic programs during the summer shall receive a 600 dollar stipend, in addition to room and board” is too convoluted?

You can’t make them take summer classes, that’s ridiculous. What purpose would that serve? Why would you give student athletes a more rigorous course load than other students?[/quote]

  1. by convoluted, more rules, more regulation and more policing

  2. Why would taking summer classes be ridiculous. I went to college for 14 years and took summer classes? They could actually lighten the load of the other two semesters during their sport. (Plus it was just a thought, playing devils advocate) [/quote]

  3. Implementing a player benefit is not policing in my opinion.

  4. I took summer classes too. But I wasn’t forced to. Allow them to take classes? Yes. Make them? No.[/quote]

  5. Someone will have to monitor all those accounts nationwide to make sure nothing “excessive” is going on.

  6. Allow them to take classes during the summer and less during the sports semester.

I just never understood why you needed to vacate the dorm during summer? [/quote]

I guess it’s different at other schools. I lived in a dorm during the summer 1 year. I was an RA. Students taking classes and athletes were able to live in the dorm as well.

We had 1 cafeteria open during the summer, and it was shitty fast food. That was all our meal plan covered. I had the means to eat out from time to time, but many of the athletes did not. That sucks. And I just don’t see a good reason for it.[/quote]

I dont know, I see that their basic needs are taken care of, shelter and food. They are getting a free education and potential for a career playing a sport. Not much of a sacrifice in my eyes.
So they should not have any struggles in their life? [/quote]

See my post last post before this one. 600 dollars is not life-changing money. It’s easily affordable on the end of the university, as the total amount comes to less than 6 figures, and it gives a little bit of flexibility to the athletes. Why take a stance against it?

I can’t agree with the ‘potential for a career’ part. I went to SMU in the early 2000’s. We sent 2 or 3 guys to the NFL while I was at school. Out of 100’s who came through the program. Plenty of programs, especially at the D2 and D3 levels, send zero. Even the absolute best programs don’t get more than a dozen guys drafted in any given year. I’ve made it clear all along that this is a benefit in the best interests of student-athletes, rather than the few athlete-students.[/quote]
? Arent they going to school?

I didnt play any sports and I got a career out of college.[/quote]

Come on Derek. Your original quote was “potential for a career playing a sport”. This is what we’re talking about. Just because I shortened the wording in my response doesn’t mean I wasn’t talking about the same thing.[/quote]
Lol, yea I know

What were we talking about? [/quote]

This: http://www.sportspickle.com/2013/08/10-amazing-things-about-the-website-of-jim-darnell-johnny-manziels-attorney [/quote]
Okay that is gold right there, pure fucking gold

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Flip I don’t understand your suggestion.

If it’s truly just giving them $600 a year do you honestly think that would have an effect?

Do you think Johnny is in trouble right now because of $600, these kids wouldn’t take the risk they take over $600, and they are allowed jobs that pull in way more then $600. 15 years ago the average d1 player I knew was giving $175 a week for food, that’s outside of the personal chef and personal buffet they had. Plus tuition, room and board. I was living off of $5 a week as a regular student eating ramen noodles and going to group meetings just to eat pizza.

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Um. I don’t know where you went to school, but that doesn’t happen everywhere. I knew PLENTY of guys that could have put 600 dollars to good use. I went to a school that combined for 3 wins over 2 seasons for a stretch while I was there. You think a program like that is going to have personal fucking chefs/buffets? The players at my school were given rooms in un-renovated dorms with 5 1/2 ft high shower heads and access to the shitty cafeteria. That’s it.

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I went to a d3 school that had a separate food line for the athletes. I have heard that Arkansas State also does. I was under the impression that this was pretty common practice?? Football players also I am pretty sure do not have to report back to school until about mid or maybe a little later. The spring game is usually around the end of April so that leaves them a break of May and June to work a part time job and make a little money before they have to come back, correct?

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So if 600$ isn’t gonna much of anything why do it at all? That’s what I don’t understand. That would be my stance against it if I gave a shit. Flip you have said time and time again it is barely anythign. So why do it?

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So if 600$ isn’t gonna much of anything why do it at all? That’s what I don’t understand. That would be my stance against it if I gave a shit. Flip you have said time and time again it is barely anythign. So why do it?[/quote]

It would be enough for basic stuff like clothes and an occasional night out, something not all college players can afford otherwise. I’ve been saying it’s barely anything in reference to how much it would cost the institution. I do believe it would have an impact.

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I would say SMU is probably a lot more risk adverse than other schools due to their colored history with NCAA rules violations.

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I tend to agree with both sides of the argument here. What really gets me though is how much money the NCAA makes off players. It’s pretty obvious who the guy on the cover is and yet he got $0 for his likeness.

I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s not what is currently happening.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I tend to agree with both sides of the argument here. What really gets me though is how much money the NCAA makes off players. It’s pretty obvious who the guy on the cover is and yet he got $0 for his likeness.

I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s not what is currently happening. [/quote]
God is rewarding him as his “second” born son

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]Claudan wrote:
Just to be clear,

You’re comparing ‘AJ Green’ to a freshman Heisman winner… I’m guessing Johnny is a bigger deal than a receiver. [/quote]

Completely irrelevant granted, but I would not be surprised if ‘AJ Green’ ends up with the longer, more successful football career.

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As of right now Green has the bigger respect factor imo, but in the aforementioned example I was referring to their respective college years.

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There’s alot of people in this thread that don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about. Scholarship athletes have their books paid for, get to live in seperate (and much nicer) athlete dorms that are also paid for, get to train in separate (and much nicer) weightrooms, and get to eat in the athletes dining hall (which is separate and much nicer with much better quality food) and this is also on the schools dime. These kids ARE gettingpaid, and Iit’s ridiculous to insinuate otherwise.