Interesting that both the DEMS and GOP leveled the same criticism at each others convention; that neither “covered the issues important to America”.
I think that they both realize that a Convention is to “fire up” your people; to tell who you are and what you stand for; and to contrast yourself with your opponent.
I think both conventions pretty much did that.
Mufasa
By the way;
Am I reading a couple of you guys right; was Karl Rove involved in the Palin decision?
If so, the guy is TRULY an “evil genius”.
Mufasa
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Cindy…looks…really…good.
Can I divulge my Cindy/SteelyD/Sarah threesome fantasy here?
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We’re on the same wavelength, my friend 
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
My observations:
She was even dressed like Jackie Kennedy, which was interesting.
I don’t think her “introduction”? helped much.
But I was left with the feeling of an honest, sincere, admirable man ready to go to work for his Country and to serve a cause greater than himself.
I think the GOP comes out of this convention on the “plus” side.
Mufasa[/quote]
As far as Cindy - maybe not the greatest speaker, but how many Americans really knew all that about her. I follow things pretty close and I had no idea the extent of her endeavors. Pretty impressive.
As far as your other comments about being undecided - I am curious as to why given the stark differences.
I thought he did alright, definitely not as good a speech as Sarah “America” Palin’s sppech. It sounded a lot like all his other speeches, and I think he knew that Palin would be a tough act to follow, so maybe he just didn’t really try to knock one out of the park.
I didn’t really hear any plan, or any outline for what McCain/Palin plan on doing about the issues, but I kind of expected that.
This campaign is all about Sarah “America” now, the more I see and hear her, the more in love I become. She has everyone fired up, including Ann Coulter… It is almost unnerving to see Ann Coulter so excited about ANYTHING. This proves to me that Sarah America is really something else.
A good speech, in my view. Not splashy, but not glib either, which suits McCain fine. Showed his depth, and displayed strength and humility.
We’ve heard his POW story many times - but the way he told this time was fantastic: it wasn’t gratuitous, and it was moving.
Cons: on the policy stuff, his heart was nearly in it enough. I think it was clear he was wanting to really pour himself into the “character” section, and that is fine, but I think he was too mediocre on policy.
Overall, I liked it: it was a statesman’s speech talking about country, duty, and purpose, and was low on negativity. More important than me liking it, I think it was a very good speech to an audience of undecided voters, which I think should be the measure.
One thing that was very important:
He admitted that the Republicans had lost there way on spending.
This was important because when the repubs took over Congress in 94 they were agressive on spending and doing the right thing. They gave us welfare reform not Clinton. They gave us the first round of cap gains cuts.
However, many of the 94 guys that came in retired and a new group came in over time and they became just like the dems in spending. And with that comes corruption. I think it was important to say that they lost their way.
He basically confessed on behalf of the repubs - we will see how it works.
It was necessary because they did get carried away with ear marks and crap.
That is what happens with too many lib and moderate repubs who want to be liked in Washington.
I’d give it a B. The man is an honorable and dedicated public servant. He proves that a lot. I think he sounded distinguished and that will attract a lot of voters.
Palin is a real bonus for me. She will bring in independant voters. Real independants not Democratic “leaners”. McCain picked her for the with the idea of setting the stage going forward. If he wins, I see one term and he turns over the reins to her.
Cindy McCain is impressive. Her old man is a real success story the way he built his business. He raised her right and she didn’t squander the wealth she was handed. She does real good with it. She helps others thru the medical missions and got personally involved adopting kids who would have probably died if not for her actions. I don’t care what party you prefer if you can’t admire that you are a hopeless fucknut.
“…The man is an honorable and dedicated public servant. He proves that a lot. I think he sounded distinguished and that will attract a lot of voters…”
Agree.
Mufasa
Something I’ve missed;
What was this issue the protesting veterans had with Mccain?
Mufasa
[quote]bald eagle wrote:
One thing that was very important:
He admitted that the Republicans had lost there way on spending.
This was important because when the repubs took over Congress in 94 they were agressive on spending and doing the right thing. They gave us welfare reform not Clinton. They gave us the first round of cap gains cuts.
However, many of the 94 guys that came in retired and a new group came in over time and they became just like the dems in spending. And with that comes corruption. I think it was important to say that they lost their way.
He basically confessed on behalf of the repubs - we will see how it works.
It was necessary because they did get carried away with ear marks and crap.
That is what happens with too many lib and moderate repubs who want to be liked in Washington.
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And OH how many forget that they at least got started trying to take some ferocity out of that abominable gestapo squad the IRS. Those hearings had me so angry I almost smashed my television. They did well enough overall for the country to give them both houses of congress and the executive branch and then yanked the wheel abruptly to the fiscal left. I think they had more fun sparring with Billy.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Something I’ve missed;
What was this issue the protesting veterans had with Mccain?
Mufasa[/quote]
I think he votes or voted against veterans health benefits or something like that.
[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Something I’ve missed;
What was this issue the protesting veterans had with Mccain?
Mufasa
I think he votes or voted against veterans health benefits or something like that.
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yeah, he’s missed or voted against almost every bill relating to the troops and veterans. Things like longer rest between redeployment, increased in funding on safety equipment for the troops in Iraq, increase in healthcare funding for veterans, etc.
The video introduction was great.
Pilot, POW, Kids in the military, Adopted baby from Mother Teresa, 94 year old mother calling him a Momma’s Boy
[quote]Ren wrote:
yeah, he’s missed or voted against almost every bill relating to the troops and veterans. Things like longer rest between redeployment, increased in funding on safety equipment for the troops in Iraq, increase in healthcare funding for veterans, etc.[/quote]
Since your so familiar with this bill why don’t you educate us on the differenses between this bill and the one that he was sponcering and why his shows his mal intent for our troops.
And how many did he miss or vote against?
[quote]doogie wrote:
The video introduction was great.
Pilot, POW, Kids in the military, Adopted baby from Mother Teresa, 94 year old mother calling him a Momma’s Boy[/quote]
Yep the videos on John and Cindy were really good. What have Barry and Michelle done?
[quote]dhickey wrote:
doogie wrote:
The video introduction was great.
Pilot, POW, Kids in the military, Adopted baby from Mother Teresa, 94 year old mother calling him a Momma’s Boy
Yep the videos on John and Cindy were really good. What have Barry and Michelle done?[/quote]
Why, he was a community organizer. Big time stuff there.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
Ren wrote:
yeah, he’s missed or voted against almost every bill relating to the troops and veterans. Things like longer rest between redeployment, increased in funding on safety equipment for the troops in Iraq, increase in healthcare funding for veterans, etc.
Since your so familiar with this bill why don’t you educate us on the differenses between this bill and the one that he was sponcering and why his shows his mal intent for our troops.
And how many did he miss or vote against?
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This shit aggravates the livin hell outta me when either side does it. The legislative process is so much more complex than is commonly known and they play on peoples ignorance of that all the time. It’s almost never as simple as “voted for or against__________”.
An oversimplified version of the oversimplification would be if somebody introduced a bill making it illegal to kill children, but also appropriated 85 trillion dollars for advanced sandbox studies. It is voted against to stop one preposterous article, but is reported as a vote against protecting children from being murdered.