Job Interviews for Caucasian Males?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
I’ve got an test for all of you wonderful equality preaching liberals - go onto any university campus anywhere and find an academic department dedicated to Caucasian Male studies[/quote] It’s called elementary school history. You have to go to college for them to even teach you about the minorities. [quote], or even just Male Studies for that matter - when you find one - let me know . . .equality and ratios are BS

The most qualified person should always be able to be considered for the role regardless of skin color - reverse discrimination is the exact same thing as discrimination - IF your choice is made based on any racial attribute at all - you’re a racist! plain and simple.

“I’m not a racist. I am against every form of racism and segregation, every form of discrimination. I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color.” Malcolm X[/quote]

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Nice to see you applying you unique perspectives to other threads, O

my point was to show that while females can be studied as a gender, the same respect is not paid to the male gender. In addition, while it is true that certain regional ethnic groups are studied (from a strictly historical perspective) - the Caucasian male is not granted equality of educational importance in the modern university that even the Caucasian female is granted . . . just trying to point out the obvious . . .

And thanks everyone for missing the real point about reverse discrimination being the same as discrimination - if color is a component of the rationale for any decision at any level - that is racism!

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Nice to see you applying you unique perspectives to other threads, O

my point was to show that while females can be studied as a gender, the same respect is not paid to the male gender. In addition, while it is true that certain regional ethnic groups are studied (from a strictly historical perspective) - the Caucasian male is not granted equality of educational importance in the modern university that even the Caucasian female is granted . . . just trying to point out the obvious . . .[/quote] I always have to break my blatant statements down for you. The reason why these studies popped up in the first place was that 100+ years ago you didn’t hear about women or people of color at all in a history lesson. On the other hand, all of the great white leaders and European/American history was covered in great detail. A few European queens and a handful of indian leader who got their asses handed to them were all that the educational system mentioned of anything other than the white male. Ask any child 50 years ago if there were any great African civilizations and inventions (other than Egyptian) and he would both look at you funny and tell you no.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:
My boss is a gay person of color, and he’s the best boss I’ve ever had. He has hired equally throughout the color spectrum, including qualified white males.

Actually, the two best bosses I’ve had were people of color. The first one took a real chance in hiring me into a workplace that seriously discriminated against white people, females, and younger workers.

In other news, I hope you never end up in a position of authority. You’re generalizations would cloud your ability to correctly gauge people’s strengths and weakenesses for any given position.[/quote]

Are you in academia? This discussion is about academia.

I have hired numerous people over the years. Even fired one female teacher for sleeping with a male student (she, 25 and he 17). Caught hell for hiring a young attractive female but (a) she was most qualified and (2) no complaints when I hire a young male and all the girls fall in ‘lust’ with the guy.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
I’ve got an test for all of you wonderful equality preaching liberals - go onto any university campus anywhere and find an academic department dedicated to Caucasian Male studies, or even just Male Studies for that matter - when you find one - let me know . . .equality and ratios are BS

The most qualified person should always be able to be considered for the role regardless of skin color - reverse discrimination is the exact same thing as discrimination - IF your choice is made based on any racial attribute at all - you’re a racist! plain and simple.

“I’m not a racist. I am against every form of racism and segregation, every form of discrimination. I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color.” Malcolm X[/quote]

lol, see European history/western civilization majors, other than prohibition what have women accomplished :wink:

but youre right, most qualified should get the position, however that brings up the poverty vs education debate. But even in opposition to that, ive witnessed and know plenty of people who started at JC’s and ended at ivy leagues. its far too entrenched at this point.

even in southern cali, land of the failed border state, in debt socialist pot smoking mexican loving amnesty state, ive yet to have more than 5 non white professors, and more than 5 non male professors, that includes undergrad and grad program. of the non-white non-male profs ive had, can’t complain.

I really think tenure is a far bigger problem than affirmative action in regards to teaching staff.
white guys are still riding high.

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Anybody else notice the blatant PC stuff here? “White” guys and “people of color”? Not “black” or “yellow” or “brown”. Should I begin referring to myself as “European-American”?

Yes I am exaggerating but it’s all here in this one thread.

Being PC has gone a lot farther than most realize.

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The best part of HH’s troll attempts are when other posters come on to support him.

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[quote]dumbbellhead wrote:
Anybody else notice the blatant PC stuff here? “White” guys and “people of color”? Not “black” or “yellow” or “brown”. Should I begin referring to myself as “European-American”?

Yes I am exaggerating but it’s all here in this one thread.

Being PC has gone a lot farther than most realize.[/quote]

Yep…I agree…

We need to go back to the good 'ole days of spicks, wet-backs, greasers, wops, niggers, coloreds, kikes, pikininis and jigga-boos…

Mufasa

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Easy Mufasa. It was tongue-in-cheek. Your derision is noted.

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Here is a list of majors from a nearby Big State U:

[quote]Accounting
Actuarial & Mathematical Science
Africana Studies
Anthropology
Art
Art History
Atmospheric Science
Biochemistry & Molecular Biology
Biology
Business Administration
Chemistry
Chinese Studies
Communication & Rhetoric
Computer Science
Computer Science & Applied Mathematics
Criminal Justice
Documentary Studies
East Asian Studies
Economics
English
Environmental Science
Financial Market Regulation
French
Geography
Globalization Studies
Greek & Roman Civilization
History
Human Biology
Information Science
Interdisciplinary Studies
Italian
Japanese Studies
Journalism
Judaic Studies
Latin American Studies
Linguistics
Mathematics
Medieval & Renaissance Studies
Mediterranean Archeology
Music
Philosophy
Physics
Political Science
Psychology
Public Health
Public Policy
Puerto Rican Studies
Religious Studies
Russian
Russian & East European Studies
Social Welfare
Sociology
Spanish
Theatre
Urban Studies & Planning
Women’s Studies[/quote]

I would say that there are more than a dozen of these that focus on the history and viewpoints of white men of European origin. They’re not called “White Men’s Studies” because the topic is far too broad, and has to be divided into philosophy, sociology and anthropology (which consists in white men’s thoughts on other cultures), poli-sci (we all know who dominates this), maths, Medieval & Renaissance Studies, etc.

Beyond that, I agree that reverse discrimination is in fact discrimination. But “women’s studies” and the others only show that there’s little enough recorded history of everyone but white men that it can be tidily organized into a few courses.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
IrishSteel wrote:
I’ve got an test for all of you wonderful equality preaching liberals - go onto any university campus anywhere and find an academic department dedicated to Caucasian Male studies, or even just Male Studies for that matter - when you find one - let me know . . .equality and ratios are BS

I’ve never really understood this argument – and maybe I’m not understanding you here, either. Are European Studies, Scandinavian Studies, Russian and Eastern Europe Studies, Jewish Studies, etc. not good enough?[/quote]

see, these are countries we also have american history. this is not the same as Black studies or Hispanic/latino studies which focuses on the race of people and not the country of origin

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[quote]MaddyD wrote:
malonetd wrote:
IrishSteel wrote:
I’ve got an test for all of you wonderful equality preaching liberals - go onto any university campus anywhere and find an academic department dedicated to Caucasian Male studies, or even just Male Studies for that matter - when you find one - let me know . . .equality and ratios are BS

I’ve never really understood this argument – and maybe I’m not understanding you here, either. Are European Studies, Scandinavian Studies, Russian and Eastern Europe Studies, Jewish Studies, etc. not good enough?

see, these are countries we also have american history. this is not the same as Black studies or Hispanic/latino studies which focuses on the race of people and not the country of origin[/quote]

Europe and Jewish are countries?

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[quote]malonetd wrote:

Europe and Jewish are countries?[/quote]

Yes, they’ve changed it recently. You didn’t hear?

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Just out of curiosity, I fished out my college transcripts to see how many women and minorities taught the classes I’ve taken. So here are my experiences in Academia.

I’ve taken 60 courses in all, 3 of them I never saw the instructor in person (due to class structure, not me skipping), and 19 of them were taught by either women or minorities. So 1/3 of my instructors were not white-males. All of these courses were at the University of Oklahoma, and the majority of them were business-related. This does NOT count TA’s or lab tech’s because I can’t remember them all, though some of them were women/minorities. This was not that long ago, either.

Other things to note:

  1. Of those 39 courses taught by white males, 19 of them were taught by “older” white males, that I’d judge to be 55 or older at the time the course was taught. One of these 19 was a German immigrant who had lived in the U.S. for over twenty years.

  2. Of those 20 courses taught by “younger” white males, two were taught by white male immigrants from Europe.

  3. 10 courses were taught by women.

  4. I only had 1 course that was taught by a non-white female; the class was “American Federal Government”.

  5. I had 9 courses in traditional “hard sciences”, and 4 of them were taught by women/minorities.

  6. I had 10 courses in traditional “soft sciences”, and 5 of them were taught by women/minorities.

  7. I had 32 courses in business, and 9 of them were taught by women/minorities, and a 10th by one of the young European immigrants mentioned above.

EDIT: Some of these instructors taught more than one my classes, but never more than two, and I never had any women/minorities teach more than one.

EDIT II: I went ahead and counted again, and I had 52 unique instructors, and 19 (36.5%) of them were women/minorities.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
malonetd wrote:
IrishSteel wrote:
I’ve got an test for all of you wonderful equality preaching liberals - go onto any university campus anywhere and find an academic department dedicated to Caucasian Male studies, or even just Male Studies for that matter - when you find one - let me know . . .equality and ratios are BS

I’ve never really understood this argument – and maybe I’m not understanding you here, either. Are European Studies, Scandinavian Studies, Russian and Eastern Europe Studies, Jewish Studies, etc. not good enough?

see, these are countries we also have american history. this is not the same as Black studies or Hispanic/latino studies which focuses on the race of people and not the country of origin

Europe and Jewish are countries?[/quote]

no, smart asses. :wink:
but are the Jewish people the entire white race?
do all white people come from Europe?
no,
its like trying to call South American studies (again not a country) latin studies.

yes white men can be jewish but then again there are also non white female jews as well.
same with europeans.

my point was these focus on a region and a people within that region and not a race of people.

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Just out of curiosity, I fished out my college transcripts to see how many women and minorities taught the classes I’ve taken. So here are my experiences in Academia.

I’ve taken 60 courses in all, 3 of them I never saw the instructor in person (due to class structure, not me skipping), and 19 of them were taught by either women or minorities. So 1/3 of my instructors were not white-males. All of these courses were at the University of Oklahoma, and the majority of them were business-related. This does NOT count TA’s or lab tech’s because I can’t remember them all, though some of them were women/minorities. This was not that long ago, either.

Other things to note:

  1. Of those 39 courses taught by white males, 19 of them were taught by “older” white males, that I’d judge to be 55 or older at the time the course was taught. One of these 19 was a German immigrant who had lived in the U.S. for over twenty years.

  2. Of those 20 courses taught by “younger” white males, two were taught by white male immigrants from Europe.

  3. 10 courses were taught by women.

  4. I only had 1 course that was taught by a non-white female; the class was “American Federal Government”.

  5. I had 9 courses in traditional “hard sciences”, and 4 of them were taught by women/minorities.

  6. I had 10 courses in traditional “soft sciences”, and 5 of them were taught by women/minorities.

  7. I had 32 courses in business, and 9 of them were taught by women/minorities, and a 10th by one of the young European immigrants mentioned above.

EDIT: Some of these instructors taught more than one my classes, but never more than two, and I never had any women/minorities teach more than one.

EDIT II: I went ahead and counted again, and I had 52 unique instructors, and 19 (36.5%) of them were women/minorities.[/quote]

So 63.5% were white males?

Well…I guess maybe we SHOULD worry since it would have been much closer to 100% 40 years ago.

(Good call, HH…)

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
Just out of curiosity, I fished out my college transcripts to see how many women and minorities taught the classes I’ve taken. So here are my experiences in Academia.

I’ve taken 60 courses in all, 3 of them I never saw the instructor in person (due to class structure, not me skipping), and 19 of them were taught by either women or minorities. So 1/3 of my instructors were not white-males. All of these courses were at the University of Oklahoma, and the majority of them were business-related. This does NOT count TA’s or lab tech’s because I can’t remember them all, though some of them were women/minorities. This was not that long ago, either.

Other things to note:

  1. Of those 39 courses taught by white males, 19 of them were taught by “older” white males, that I’d judge to be 55 or older at the time the course was taught. One of these 19 was a German immigrant who had lived in the U.S. for over twenty years.

  2. Of those 20 courses taught by “younger” white males, two were taught by white male immigrants from Europe.

  3. 10 courses were taught by women.

  4. I only had 1 course that was taught by a non-white female; the class was “American Federal Government”.

  5. I had 9 courses in traditional “hard sciences”, and 4 of them were taught by women/minorities.

  6. I had 10 courses in traditional “soft sciences”, and 5 of them were taught by women/minorities.

  7. I had 32 courses in business, and 9 of them were taught by women/minorities, and a 10th by one of the young European immigrants mentioned above.

EDIT: Some of these instructors taught more than one my classes, but never more than two, and I never had any women/minorities teach more than one.

EDIT II: I went ahead and counted again, and I had 52 unique instructors, and 19 (36.5%) of them were women/minorities.

So 63.5% were white males?

Well…I guess maybe we SHOULD worry since it would have been much closer to 100% 40 years ago.

(Good call, HH…)

Mufasa
[/quote]

Overall, yes.

Because of the tenure system, it could take quite a while for racist/sexist hiring practices to fully “wash out”, and I think that could partially explain why all of my older instructors were white males.

However, among instructors under ~55 y.o., it was 20-19 white males vs. women/minorities. If these “younger” instructors were a representative sample of the U.S. population, it would have been about 14.5-24.5 white males to women/minorities.

If my experiences at OU are roughly representative of gender/ethnicity of professors everywhere, and the “younger” instructors are more representative of the overall population because of new hiring practices, then I don’t think either side really has much to complain about.

My instructors under 55 y.o. are fairly close to being representative of the population at large. So based on my experiences, I think younger aspiring professors of all genders and ethnicities complaining about racist/sexist hiring practices in academia can put a sock in it.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
malonetd wrote:

Europe and Jewish are countries?

Yes, they’ve changed it recently. You didn’t hear?[/quote]

They are trying (Europe)

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It’s a shame if there’s a school that hires minority faculty even if they aren’t the most qualified. However, if this school is not fictional, it is not representative of most universities throughout the country.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
It’s a shame if there’s a school that hires minority faculty even if they are the most qualified. [/quote]

I’m guessing this was a mis-type? Or have you taken to trolling like HH?