[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Being VERY un-PC, I asked: “So, did you interview any Caucasian males?” She colored immediately, looked around, and said, “No, as a matter of fact. Why do you ask?” My response was to simply ask: “Don’t white males deserve an equal chance to work, especially if they earned a Phd and are the most qualified?”
After a bit of hem-haw, she finally said: “Many of our faculty are uncomfortable around young aggressive white males.”
Epiphany!! To most women and people of color, white males make them uncomfortable and they don’t want to work with them.[/quote]
She BLUSHED and then hem-hawed?? HH, your ridiculous assumptions about women are interfering with your ability to advance your racist agenda by making up cautionary tales. By the time a woman heads a university department she is well able to deal with hecklers like you without blushing. Also? Lots and lots of young white men in college, taking sociology and other classes. Women faculty and faculty of color manage just fine.
And then as the others have suggested it is no handicap to be a white male in today’s America.
Racist agenda? My wife is tenured and I don’t work there. How could I have any racist agenda?
In the interest of fairness, white males (libs) began hiring minorities. Now those same minorities won’t hire white males. And as the Sociology chair pointed out, white guys intimidate minorities simply by their presence. I don’t think I’m the racist in this issue. One form of prejudice got replaced by another, not eliminated.
My wife’s department chair (female) has told me that, being a white and male, I’d have two strikes against me, should I ever get a Phd and apply for any openings. She can’t speak for the Math department or the Educ dept (I thought about getting a Phd in Math Ed), but that same philosophy probably holds true.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Racist agenda? My wife is tenured and I don’t work there. How could I have any racist agenda?
In the interest of fairness, white males (libs) began hiring minorities. Now those same minorities won’t hire white males. And as the Sociology chair pointed out, white guys intimidate minorities simply by their presence. I don’t think I’m the racist in this issue. One form of prejudice got replaced by another, not eliminated.
My wife’s department chair (female) has told me that, being a white and male, I’d have two strikes against me, should I ever get a Phd and apply for any openings. She can’t speak for the Math department or the Educ dept (I thought about getting a Phd in Math Ed), but that same philosophy probably holds true.
Our civilisation is doomed.
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No doubt, if white males are not hired to academic positions our civilization is doomed. period.
btw, care to name this magical, made up school? Shall we begin looking at university faculty in sociology departments in Ohio? I’m guessing I know what we’ll find…
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
btw, care to name this magical, made up school? Shall we begin looking at university faculty in sociology departments in Ohio? I’m guessing I know what we’ll find… [/quote]
Gambit_Lost- you beat me. How about HHboy is banned from posting here until he names the school where these incredibly revealing conversations took place?
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
No doubt, if white males are not hired to academic positions our civilization is doomed. period.
btw, care to name this magical, made up school? Shall we begin looking at university faculty in sociology departments in Ohio? I’m guessing I know what we’ll find… [/quote]
I went to school in southwest Ohio, and ironically enough, all of my general education classes were taught by white males. Actually, now that I think about, I had a white female professor for an advanced English class, a white female teaching Calc III, and an Indian male prof for Matrix Algebra. The rest were all white males.
[quote]jnd wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
btw, care to name this magical, made up school? Shall we begin looking at university faculty in sociology departments in Ohio? I’m guessing I know what we’ll find…
Gambit_Lost- you beat me. How about HHboy is banned from posting here until he names the school where these incredibly revealing conversations took place?
HH’s assertions as easily checked… Just about every major professional academic association publishes race/gender statistics. For example (the only stat I recall), last year about 25% of the members of the APA (American Philosophical Association) where female, 75% male. Although I forget the numbers, I know most of those males are white…
In any event, why waste time comparing limited experiences? Just go look at the stats…
[quote]jnd wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
btw, care to name this magical, made up school? Shall we begin looking at university faculty in sociology departments in Ohio? I’m guessing I know what we’ll find…
Gambit_Lost- you beat me. How about HHboy is banned from posting here until he names the school where these incredibly revealing conversations took place?
jnd[/quote]
Good one…
How about you start by telling us your name and address and telephone number…and if any of you think that there is no reverse discrimination in academia you are high.
HH usually picks the most asinine way of putting it, but there are quotas for hiring…and that is not disputed. Good or bad, he does have a point.
HH usually picks the most asinine way of putting it, but there are quotas for hiring…and that is not disputed. Good or bad, he does have a point.
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There are indeed quotas for hiring, but HH’s suggestion that the sort of extreme quotas in his story are typical is baseless. I’ve leaving a department with 7 faculty, 5 of which are white males and which recently hired a… young white male. I’m going to a department with around 10 faculty, only two of which are not white males. And this is a small, elite private intuition “near a city”.
Does this mean that there is no discrimination against white males? Not anymore then HH’s example means that there is. What would tell the whole story is stats on recent hiring trends. From the few I’ve seen, I’d guess that white males don’t have to sweat anytime soon.
In the real world, that is what makes up the majority of faculty at most Universities and Colleges.
Mufasa
Oxford is in the middle of corn country. Go to any uni near any city.
I didn’t go to Miami, I went to Wright State.[/quote]
Worked at Wright-Pat for a while long ago. I seem to remember that lots of the WSU faculty were white males but that they were making an effort to change that. This was LONG ago, when you were probably a gleam in your folks’ eyes.
Hey, I could be wrong but when I see memos and talk to people (at Miami, WSU, and then where the Mrs. teaches), I base my judgment on my experiences.
If the stats prove me wrong, that’d be wonderful. The best people with the best creds and work experience should get the jobs. That’s justice.
I’ve got an test for all of you wonderful equality preaching liberals - go onto any university campus anywhere and find an academic department dedicated to Caucasian Male studies, or even just Male Studies for that matter - when you find one - let me know . . .equality and ratios are BS
The most qualified person should always be able to be considered for the role regardless of skin color - reverse discrimination is the exact same thing as discrimination - IF your choice is made based on any racial attribute at all - you’re a racist! plain and simple.
“I’m not a racist. I am against every form of racism and segregation, every form of discrimination. I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color.” Malcolm X
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
I’ve got an test for all of you wonderful equality preaching liberals - go onto any university campus anywhere and find an academic department dedicated to Caucasian Male studies, or even just Male Studies for that matter - when you find one - let me know . . .equality and ratios are BS
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I’ve never really understood this argument – and maybe I’m not understanding you here, either. Are European Studies, Scandinavian Studies, Russian and Eastern Europe Studies, Jewish Studies, etc. not good enough?
[quote]malonetd wrote:
IrishSteel wrote:
I’ve got an test for all of you wonderful equality preaching liberals - go onto any university campus anywhere and find an academic department dedicated to Caucasian Male studies, or even just Male Studies for that matter - when you find one - let me know . . .equality and ratios are BS
I’ve never really understood this argument – and maybe I’m not understanding you here, either. Are European Studies, Scandinavian Studies, Russian and Eastern Europe Studies, Jewish Studies, etc. not good enough?[/quote]
Irish,
The problem I have is that all of the Studies you listed have legitimate and objective framework for curriculum. They can all be objectively framed by nationality or birth origin.
“African American” Studies focusing on individuals in history and in the present that are American born American residents has no coherent and objective framework.
[quote]limitatinfinity wrote:
malonetd wrote:
IrishSteel wrote:
I’ve got an test for all of you wonderful equality preaching liberals - go onto any university campus anywhere and find an academic department dedicated to Caucasian Male studies, or even just Male Studies for that matter - when you find one - let me know . . .equality and ratios are BS
I’ve never really understood this argument – and maybe I’m not understanding you here, either. Are European Studies, Scandinavian Studies, Russian and Eastern Europe Studies, Jewish Studies, etc. not good enough?
Irish,
The problem I have is that all of the Studies you listed have legitimate and objective framework for curriculum. They can all be objectively framed by nationality or birth origin.
“African American” Studies focusing on individuals in history and in the present that are American born American residents has no coherent and objective framework.
lim@infinity[/quote]
I know this wasn’t directed at me, but don’t you think that’s a bit presumptuous? It seems to be quite the big claim to say that there is NO objective basis for “African American Studies”.
Don’t get me wrong… I’m against the sort of discrimination you seem to be against. I can say I completely agree that the best person qualified for a job should get the job, and that race/ethnicity should play no role in it.
[quote]stokedporcupine8 wrote:
limitatinfinity wrote:
malonetd wrote:
IrishSteel wrote:
I’ve got an test for all of you wonderful equality preaching liberals - go onto any university campus anywhere and find an academic department dedicated to Caucasian Male studies, or even just Male Studies for that matter - when you find one - let me know . . .equality and ratios are BS
I’ve never really understood this argument – and maybe I’m not understanding you here, either. Are European Studies, Scandinavian Studies, Russian and Eastern Europe Studies, Jewish Studies, etc. not good enough?
Irish,
The problem I have is that all of the Studies you listed have legitimate and objective framework for curriculum. They can all be objectively framed by nationality or birth origin.
“African American” Studies focusing on individuals in history and in the present that are American born American residents has no coherent and objective framework.
lim@infinity
I know this wasn’t directed at me, but don’t you think that’s a bit presumptuous? It seems to be quite the big claim to say that there is NO objective basis for “African American Studies”.
Don’t get me wrong… I’m against the sort of discrimination you seem to be against. I can say I completely agree that the best person qualified for a job should get the job, and that race/ethnicity should play no role in it. [/quote]
To clarify: there’s no objective framework for “African American Studies” focusing on AMERICAN BORN AMERICAN RESIDENTS(capitilized for emphasis not for yelling).
I mean, an African American in my mind is someone having been born or citizen or resident of Africa(or an African nation) that is currently resident or citizen of The U.S.A(or an American nation).
My boss is a gay person of color, and he’s the best boss I’ve ever had. He has hired equally throughout the color spectrum, including qualified white males.
Actually, the two best bosses I’ve had were people of color. The first one took a real chance in hiring me into a workplace that seriously discriminated against white people, females, and younger workers.
In other news, I hope you never end up in a position of authority. You’re generalizations would cloud your ability to correctly gauge people’s strengths and weakenesses for any given position.
