Hi y’all this heres my first post on the forum but I been lurkin for near two years. After a lot of readin and thinkin I figure Im finally ready for my first cycle of the real shit. Heres my stats:
33 yrs old, been liftin for 5 years. Always been a hard gainer, but i work hard and consistently and got up to 185 (I was like 140 when i started). I lift 4 times a week and focus on compound lifts. I squat about 200 for 8 reps (used to put 400 on but that was with weak form, aka quarter squats, when i started doing them right it was like abck at square 1 lol) i dead 350. Previously ive done a little dbols, and ive done some prohormone cycles. My goals for the cycle are to gain mass and strength. I’m also looking forward to that superhuman feeling i got when i was on the dbols 
So here’s my proposed cycle…
W 1-4 Dbol 30mg/day
W 1-8 Test Enth 250mg E3D (frontload with initial 600mg shot)
W 1-10 Adex 0.25mg EOD
nolva on hand for sides
Standard nolva PCT (40mg/day first week, 20 a day the next three)
Not sure if the nolva or the taper is the better pct. also wonder if i should frontload the adex?
Thinkin this looks good, will take all input
(bracin for the flames i know how this place is lol)
thanks yall
Nolva pct will be fine.
Don’t frontload adex.
Looks good.
One thing. Don’t use “hardgainer” as a cop out. 40 pounds is a nice weight gain, but there is plenty more to be had if you are willing to eat.
How tall are you btw?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Nolva pct will be fine.
Don’t frontload adex.
Looks good.
One thing. Don’t use “hardgainer” as a cop out. 40 pounds is a nice weight gain, but there is plenty more to be had if you are willing to eat.
How tall are you btw? [/quote]
I’m 5’7".
True about the hardgainer mentality, i know thats often a rationalization to not do what you gotta do. Its way more comfortable to just say oh i cant do it because (whatever reason) and just keep being a faggot.
Think the 8 weeks of test is preferable to the “standard” 10? I read on here that it makes coming off easier and you get to a point of diminishing returns after 8 anyway, at least if ur a beginner.
[quote]Jimmy Ray wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Nolva pct will be fine.
Don’t frontload adex.
Looks good.
One thing. Don’t use “hardgainer” as a cop out. 40 pounds is a nice weight gain, but there is plenty more to be had if you are willing to eat.
How tall are you btw?
I’m 5’7".
True about the hardgainer mentality, i know thats often a rationalization to not do what you gotta do. Its way more comfortable to just say oh i cant do it because (whatever reason) and just keep being a faggot.
Think the 8 weeks of test is preferable to the “standard” 10? I read on here that it makes coming off easier and you get to a point of diminishing returns after 8 anyway, at least if ur a beginner.
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Alright good. Glad you didn’t say 6’5".
8 weeks with a frontload is a nice cycle. Eventually it will become a matter of preference but for a first time there’s nothing wrong with 8 weeks
Cycle looks fine. I would frontload 1 mg Adex on Day 1 since you are frontloading Test E and starting dbol from the get go. Those two compounds aromatize heavily. It’s not life or death, just a tweak.
I assume you plan on waiting two weeks after cessation of test e prior to Nolva PCT?
Another option is to move dbol to weeks 7-10 to cover last two weeks of test e use and bolster results in your two waiting weeks. You would also get a second wave of gains at a point when many cycles would start getting stale. If you go that route, I wouldn’t bother frontloading the Adex since you won’t have the dbol at the beginning of the cycle. This option also allows you to experience (without any interference from other compounds) how you react to Test e alone. IMO this is valuable to know. I can’t stress enough to do your sourcing research and get good test e otherwise the best laid plans go to waste.
Yeah, im gonna wait for the test to clear before starting the nolva.
Hmm, now im confused a bit however because bones said NOT to frontload the adex. What are the pros and cons of each option?
I’ve also heard about that dbol at the end option, I will definitely consider it in light of what you’ve said regarding the effect of test. Then again, i love that dbol feeling. Cant i just do BOTH? haha only half joking.
My source was referred to me by a guy I know IRL who is reputable, otherwise i wouldnt even be considering it, but of course I know shit happens. It’s an online pharm overseas. Guess the only way to know for sure is to get the shit and see if it works. 
Believe me a 1mg Adex frontload is neither here nor there. Don’t waste any sleep over this issue.
I just got my hands on 100 10mg tabs of dbol. This should be sweet at the end of my test e cycle. I did 6 weeks, but had trouble obtaining the dbol so now I want to get another vial of test e to add 2 to 3 weeks to my initially planned cycle to run alongside the dbol. I plan to run the dbol past the test e until it runs out (30mg/d) and then start a toremefen PCT.