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Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
Deorum,

I am going to go out on a limb here, given your choice of verbiage you are probably a muslim (at least of middle eastern dissent with religious training), also looking at your avatar you hang around a lot of little pantywaste punks, who put stickers on their stuff to show what rebels they are. You are from New Jersey so your education was definitely slanted to the progressive side. And you have nifty little symbolism in your speech and drawings.

I do wish to kill the ones that wish to bring on the rise of the madhi, because they want to kill me and my family. You can try to paint muslims as a religion, but for the majority of the world, this is not true. We have these americanized muslims who might be somewhat civil and can function with other civilizations. But for a majority of the world, what we deem radical muslims, are the majority. This form is not religion, it is a militant cult.

de’la gehbah[/quote]

Oh wow I am shocked that you literally got nothing right there. I am not muslim or of middle eastern decent. Furthermore I am not in favor of the muslim religion… I actually have a strong disdain for it - No more than the Christian religion though. I am a combination of many nationalities but that ironically is not one of them. I don’t hang out with punks either… That was just weird of you to say. And my education was not one entirely pursued in the state(try private catholic schools). Eh… Can we stop fixating on me and return to topic? I’m flattered and all but Jeeeez… I’m starting to blush guys.

I did not know you knew the majority of Muslims in the world. Thank you for sharing that insight. The day “they” attack me I will be the first one in favor of breaking every bone in their collective body(they not being muslims, they being whatever state is in questions, we do not attack “Christians” when a christian nation attacks us…)

Until then I will not support these insecure passive aggressive strikes on their culture - especially when it is founded in the pursuit of the profit of a few powerful men who do not have any of your interests in mind(the irony in you fighting for their causes).

It is the insecure, frightened pitbull that bites humans at random and causes their negative reputation. Man is not much different than dog. The strong, confident pitbulls that I grew up with do not bite men at random…

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[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:
Deorum,

I am going to go out on a limb here, given your choice of verbiage you are probably a muslim (at least of middle eastern dissent with religious training), also looking at your avatar you hang around a lot of little pantywaste punks, who put stickers on their stuff to show what rebels they are. You are from New Jersey so your education was definitely slanted to the progressive side. And you have nifty little symbolism in your speech and drawings.

I do wish to kill the ones that wish to bring on the rise of the madhi, because they want to kill me and my family. You can try to paint muslims as a religion, but for the majority of the world, this is not true. We have these americanized muslims who might be somewhat civil and can function with other civilizations. But for a majority of the world, what we deem radical muslims, are the majority. This form is not religion, it is a militant cult.

de’la gehbah[/quote]

Oh wow I am shocked that you literally got nothing right there. I am not muslim or of middle eastern decent. Furthermore I am not in favor of the muslim religion… I actually have a strong disdain for it - No more than the Christian religion though. I am a combination of many nationalities but that ironically is not one of them. I don’t hang out with punks either… That was just weird of you to say. And my education was not one entirely pursued in the state(try private catholic schools). Eh… Can we stop fixating on me and return to topic? I’m flattered and all but Jeeeez… I’m starting to blush guys.

I did not know you knew the majority of Muslims in the world. Thank you for sharing that insight. The day “they” attack me I will be the first one in favor of breaking every bone in their collective body(they not being muslims, they being whatever state is in questions, we do not attack “Christians” when a christian nation attacks us…)

Until then I will not support these insecure passive aggressive strikes on their culture - especially when it is founded in the pursuit of the profit of a few powerful men who do not have any of your interests in mind(the irony in you fighting for their causes).

It is the insecure, frightened pitbull that bites humans at random and causes their negative reputation. Man is not much different than dog. The strong, confident pitbulls that I grew up with do not bite men at random…[/quote]

So you have some irrational fascination with religions?

Statistics, surveys, reports. those are generally a good way to get perspective on beliefs.

But I also do not believe we should be over there. If there is a reason to war, you war and leave.

in your avatar you have a warriors of radness emblem, much like DGK and other skater, surfer punk branding.

I am an analytical scientist. so to me, it seems foolish not to use statistics in behavior of populations. I am a christian, I don’t believe in shoving my faith down your throat, but don’t shove your ideals down mine, or my childrens’. pretty simple.

and as far as the pit bull analogy, you are using poor symbolism, pit’s rarely bite people, throw a well breed game dog in a room with another dog acting dominant and they want at it, doesn’t matter if it just some cocky ignorant kid. But human aggression is culled out of well bred pits.

I respect pit bulls, for their “gameness”. But when it comes to the safety of my family and loved ones, I would rather be over cautious in pursuit of their protection, then regretful.

Better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
throw a well breed game dog in a room with another dog acting dominant and they want at it,
[/quote]

I wondered why I didn’t vehemently disagree with much your saying and there it is. I really think your just fighting with me for that sake. Not that that’s a bad thing. I just can’t really give you a debate in return as I am not a dog searching for a fight. I am trying to help, not hurt.

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[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:
throw a well breed game dog in a room with another dog acting dominant and they want at it,
[/quote]

I wondered why I didn’t vehemently disagree with much your saying and there it is. I really think your just fighting with me for that sake. Not that that’s a bad thing. I just can’t really give you a debate in return as I am not a dog searching for a fight. I am trying to help, not hurt.[/quote]

I like, fights, debates, even heated altercations or confrontations. I think you can learn a lot from them. I think you can learn a lot from pushing yourself and from interacting with those you may not necessarily agree with. But to me I think you came off very condescending, just because you don’t agree with someone does not mean they are stupid or blinded by deceit.

You disagree, that is all it means, and until you can argument substantially and move beyond the I disagree I think your stupid, there is no good debate.

I do agree with you though, sometimes you sometimes you need to stir the pot to get the reaction and debate you want,

But remember just as you see others arguments as simpleton and nonsensical, so can yours be. I mean seriously, you are nothing more than pile interacting biological molecules how could you or I be some existentialist being.

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You are not even debating about anything anymore… Your a dog trying to bite a bigger dog… Your debate is nothing more than a personalized attack on myself, founded in nothing more than nihilism and abstract nothings. Say something relevant to the debate present and I will be GLAD to debate with you.

I enjoy debates and heated altercations myself. I however do not enjoy even acknowledging those who are merely trying to get a rise out of myself. I say this all while bitting my tongue very hard.

Its horribly tragic that I have to keep saying this but… DIGRESSING!

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A bigger dog, well in this case you are mistaken, whether you mean physically or mentally,

When I fought I had to cut 30lbs week of fight to make 205,

Maybe a dog, trying to bite the feathers off a strutting peacock.

So tell me oh wise one, what are you? Justify your thoughts, you are trying to argue with internal rationalization and perspective, rather factually.

And we very well know you could possibly be delusional college student on a permanent LSD trip.

Why is living life to help and love other blind deceit?

Strut you arrogant peacock , show us all that plumage.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
A bigger dog, well in this case you are mistaken, whether you mean physically or mentally,

When I fought I had to cut 30lbs week of fight to make 205,

Maybe a dog, trying to bite the feathers off a strutting peacock.

So tell me oh wise one, what are you? Justify your thoughts, you are trying to argue with internal rationalization and perspective, rather factually.

And we very well know you could possibly be delusional college student on a permanent LSD trip.

Why is living life to help and love other blind deceit?

Strut you arrogant peacock , show us all that plumage. [/quote]

You obsession with attacking myself with a lot of nothing is borderline homosexual fascination. Let go of my dick, and stick to topic. This is the last time I say this. After this - I’ll hurt your ego the way I know you’ll hate the most. I’ll ignore your barking.

If you were as game as you say you are, you would not be swinging from my nuts by your ineffective bite. You would be actually debating me. Instead you are trying to get a rise with personal attacks, ironically based in saying a whole lot of nothing. Stop barking and attack the issues presented.

If you want a Deorum is a pretentious peacock of a man thread, make one - nobody is stopping you. Trying to completely derail the focus of this thread because you cannot hang intellectually in the debate, however, is more pathetic than any argument I’ve encountered thus far.

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[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:
A bigger dog, well in this case you are mistaken, whether you mean physically or mentally,

When I fought I had to cut 30lbs week of fight to make 205,

Maybe a dog, trying to bite the feathers off a strutting peacock.

So tell me oh wise one, what are you? Justify your thoughts, you are trying to argue with internal rationalization and perspective, rather factually.

And we very well know you could possibly be delusional college student on a permanent LSD trip.

Why is living life to help and love other blind deceit?

Strut you arrogant peacock , show us all that plumage. [/quote]

You obsession with attacking myself with a lot of nothing is borderline homosexual fascination. Let go of my dick, and stick to topic. This is the last time I say this. After this - I’ll hurt your ego the way I know you’ll hate the most. I’ll ignore your barking.

If you were as game as you say you are, you would not be swinging from my nuts by your ineffective bite. You would be actually debating me. Instead you are trying to get a rise with personal attacks, ironically based in saying a whole lot of nothing. Stop barking and attack the issues presented.

If you want a Deorum is a pretentious peacock of a man thread, make one - nobody is stopping you. Trying to completely derail the focus of this thread because you cannot hang intellectually in the debate, however, is more pathetic than any argument I’ve encountered thus far.[/quote]

I gotta ask you, what is the topic? Because the first post you wrote, you attacked us “white” people with their religion. But…you are tired of people attacking you…so explain what your intentions are?

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[quote]farmerson12 wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:
A bigger dog, well in this case you are mistaken, whether you mean physically or mentally,

When I fought I had to cut 30lbs week of fight to make 205,

Maybe a dog, trying to bite the feathers off a strutting peacock.

So tell me oh wise one, what are you? Justify your thoughts, you are trying to argue with internal rationalization and perspective, rather factually.

And we very well know you could possibly be delusional college student on a permanent LSD trip.

Why is living life to help and love other blind deceit?

Strut you arrogant peacock , show us all that plumage. [/quote]

You obsession with attacking myself with a lot of nothing is borderline homosexual fascination. Let go of my dick, and stick to topic. This is the last time I say this. After this - I’ll hurt your ego the way I know you’ll hate the most. I’ll ignore your barking.

If you were as game as you say you are, you would not be swinging from my nuts by your ineffective bite. You would be actually debating me. Instead you are trying to get a rise with personal attacks, ironically based in saying a whole lot of nothing. Stop barking and attack the issues presented.

If you want a Deorum is a pretentious peacock of a man thread, make one - nobody is stopping you. Trying to completely derail the focus of this thread because you cannot hang intellectually in the debate, however, is more pathetic than any argument I’ve encountered thus far.[/quote]

I gotta ask you, what is the topic? Because the first post you wrote, you attacked us “white” people with their religion. But…you are tired of people attacking you…so explain what your intentions are? [/quote]

What the fuck? Nobody attacked any “white” people. I attacked the ridiculous notions of some people. Jesus fucking Mary Christ, this debate is obviously over. All of this “I’m going to completely ignore the debate and instead swing from deorum’s nuts” going on here reminded me that I have some large nuts. I’m going to go intellectually masturbate them some more by myself as it’s obvious that nobody wants to do the same to their own nuts.

Edit: Yea… I understand what you were trying to say now… I was not attacking “white america” with that. It was a witty comparison that more white people blow shit up in this country than muslims. It was supposed to arouse the question, “should we keep them out of the country too?”… It flew over heads, I know. I’m never going to dumb it down, however, and I’m not great at staying patient enough to explain when there is so much off topic debate going on… My patience is completely shot I can’t T-Nation any longer today if anything I’ll be in the poetry thread if anybody want to place some more body shots on my person.

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[quote]farmerson12 wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:
A bigger dog, well in this case you are mistaken, whether you mean physically or mentally,

When I fought I had to cut 30lbs week of fight to make 205,

Maybe a dog, trying to bite the feathers off a strutting peacock.

So tell me oh wise one, what are you? Justify your thoughts, you are trying to argue with internal rationalization and perspective, rather factually.

And we very well know you could possibly be delusional college student on a permanent LSD trip.

Why is living life to help and love other blind deceit?

Strut you arrogant peacock , show us all that plumage. [/quote]

You obsession with attacking myself with a lot of nothing is borderline homosexual fascination. Let go of my dick, and stick to topic. This is the last time I say this. After this - I’ll hurt your ego the way I know you’ll hate the most. I’ll ignore your barking.

If you were as game as you say you are, you would not be swinging from my nuts by your ineffective bite. You would be actually debating me. Instead you are trying to get a rise with personal attacks, ironically based in saying a whole lot of nothing. Stop barking and attack the issues presented.

If you want a Deorum is a pretentious peacock of a man thread, make one - nobody is stopping you. Trying to completely derail the focus of this thread because you cannot hang intellectually in the debate, however, is more pathetic than any argument I’ve encountered thus far.[/quote]

I gotta ask you, what is the topic? Because the first post you wrote, you attacked us “white” people with their religion. But…you are tired of people attacking you…so explain what your intentions are? [/quote]

I will reclarify the topic, since this moose twit got lost in masterbation with it.

I pointed out a story where a Saudi national was arrested in Texas, for plotting to execute bombings throughout the United States. He was caught purchasing explosive chemicals online, in the process of acquiring them, and had a list of “nice targets” which included the home of GW Bush, hydroelectric dams, and nuclear power plants.

In addition, he has allegedly described his desire for violent jihad and martyrdom in blog postings and a personal journal.

I commented on the failure of multi-culturalism (which might have caused his mentally constipated seizure), as he is a Saudi national with an expired student Visa (also another jab at our failed immigration enforcement.)

Out of all that ^^^, he turned this into a “United States wants to kill all Muslims” kind of debate. OF WHICH I NEVER MENTIONED, HINTED, or SUGGESTED.

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[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]farmerson12 wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:
A bigger dog, well in this case you are mistaken, whether you mean physically or mentally,

When I fought I had to cut 30lbs week of fight to make 205,

Maybe a dog, trying to bite the feathers off a strutting peacock.

So tell me oh wise one, what are you? Justify your thoughts, you are trying to argue with internal rationalization and perspective, rather factually.

And we very well know you could possibly be delusional college student on a permanent LSD trip.

Why is living life to help and love other blind deceit?

Strut you arrogant peacock , show us all that plumage. [/quote]

You obsession with attacking myself with a lot of nothing is borderline homosexual fascination. Let go of my dick, and stick to topic. This is the last time I say this. After this - I’ll hurt your ego the way I know you’ll hate the most. I’ll ignore your barking.

If you were as game as you say you are, you would not be swinging from my nuts by your ineffective bite. You would be actually debating me. Instead you are trying to get a rise with personal attacks, ironically based in saying a whole lot of nothing. Stop barking and attack the issues presented.

If you want a Deorum is a pretentious peacock of a man thread, make one - nobody is stopping you. Trying to completely derail the focus of this thread because you cannot hang intellectually in the debate, however, is more pathetic than any argument I’ve encountered thus far.[/quote]

I gotta ask you, what is the topic? Because the first post you wrote, you attacked us “white” people with their religion. But…you are tired of people attacking you…so explain what your intentions are? [/quote]

What the fuck? Nobody attacked any “white” people. I attacked the ridiculous notions of some people. Jesus fucking Mary Christ, this debate is obviously over. All of this “I’m going to completely ignore the debate and instead swing from deorum’s nuts” going on here reminded me that I have some large nuts. I’m going to go intellectually masturbate them some more by myself as it’s obvious that nobody wants to do the same to their own nuts.

Edit: Yea… I understand what you were trying to say now… I was not attacking “white america” with that. It was a witty comparison that more white people blow shit up in this country than muslims. It was supposed to arouse the question, “should we keep them out of the country too?”… It flew over heads, I know. I’m never going to dumb it down, however, and I’m not great at staying patient enough to explain when there is so much off topic debate going on… My patience is completely shot I can’t T-Nation any longer today if anything I’ll be in the poetry thread if anybody want to place some more body shots on my person. [/quote]

You have totally failed at making your argument. You could have just said that “white people blow up more shit than Muslims,” and we could have debated that. Instead, you turned this into “America wants to kill all Muslims” which NO ONE HERE HAS EVER SAID, HINTED AT, OR EVEN SUGGESTED. You have come in here (and the other religious thread you started) not wanting to debate or discuss anything at all. You wanted to yell for some reason, with no logic about it at all.

Dude go pout in a corner or something, you’re fuckin’ up PWI.

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MaximusB you are right. I am fucking up PWI. I will leave you to your highly intellectual debates. Thank you, your logic is too powerful for me to debate any longer. I see the flaws in my thought process.

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Fuckin’ rookies man.

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This thread got so fucked up lol

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We can thank Dum Dum for that.

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I do think there is something of a point to make in observing the reactions of Americans in terms of trying to magnify the “otherness” of certain people (as the root of a problem), and how that leads to discrimination against all of those “others”.

So, if a white christian bombs an abortion clinic, or a civilian area is bombed by the Irish Republican Army, or Ted Kaczynski sends mail bombs out – very few Americans start saying (or implying) that white people are somehow more likely than others to set off bombs. But whenever an Islamic terrorist does so, or plans to do so, it’s simply written off as “See? Muslims are dangerous! Most of them hate America and want to harm us!”

Yes, there is a strong element of racism/xenophobia when the actions of “someone like me” have specific, independent reasons not attached to their likeness of me and the actions of “someone unlike me” have reasons attached to their unlikeness of me.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
We have these americanized muslims who might be somewhat civil and can function with other civilizations.[/quote]

Perfect example. Only those “others” (muslims) who are in some way like you (Americanized) “might be somewhat civil”. All the rest are too “other”, and therefore dangerous.

Every act of terrorism has complex reasons behind it, each specific to the case. Honestly, I think Americans are just afraid of actually asking the necessary questions, because it would shake their ivory tower wonderland where America is the perfect innocent knight and “all those evil muslims hate freedom!”

Ok, so this kid wanted to bomb places in America. Why? Were his reasons religious or political? Was he working in a group or alone?

He’s from Saudi Arabia. So were most of the terrorists on 9/11. Have American policies towards Saudi Arabia resulted in this desire to harm us? Does America support certain regimes in SA, and if so, which?

These are necessary questions to ask - but stupid, dishonest people avoid them because the answers rarely allow them to preserve their warped worldview.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I do think there is something of a point to make in observing the reactions of Americans in terms of trying to magnify the “otherness” of certain people (as the root of a problem), and how that leads to discrimination against all of those “others”.

So, if a white christian bombs an abortion clinic, or a civilian area is bombed by the Irish Republican Army, or Ted Kaczynski sends mail bombs out – very few Americans start saying (or implying) that white people are somehow more likely than others to set off bombs. But whenever an Islamic terrorist does so, or plans to do so, it’s simply written off as “See? Muslims are dangerous! Most of them hate America and want to harm us!”

Yes, there is a strong element of racism/xenophobia when the actions of “someone like me” have specific, independent reasons not attached to their likeness of me and the actions of “someone unlike me” have reasons attached to their unlikeness of me.[/quote]

I like the FBI stats were 7% of the terrorist acts committed in the US were committed by extremist Jews, compared with 6% committed by extremist Muslims.

The very same people who would cry foul when anyone accused Jews of being particaulary violent have not problem with turning around and doing the very same with Muslims.

Oh well.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I do think there is something of a point to make in observing the reactions of Americans in terms of trying to magnify the “otherness” of certain people (as the root of a problem), and how that leads to discrimination against all of those “others”.

So, if a white christian bombs an abortion clinic, or a civilian area is bombed by the Irish Republican Army, or Ted Kaczynski sends mail bombs out – very few Americans start saying (or implying) that white people are somehow more likely than others to set off bombs. But whenever an Islamic terrorist does so, or plans to do so, it’s simply written off as “See? Muslims are dangerous! Most of them hate America and want to harm us!”

Yes, there is a strong element of racism/xenophobia when the actions of “someone like me” have specific, independent reasons not attached to their likeness of me and the actions of “someone unlike me” have reasons attached to their unlikeness of me.[/quote]

If you dont mind me asking, what do you mean by “someone like me(you)”? And with the change of tide in the U.S, I would expect a rage against a Christian bombing an abortion clinic to be close to that of a Muslim causing the same horror.