Lixy,
You could take a page from Ban Ki-moon’s stream of bullshit, and try to assign blame for violent islamists on global warming.
Apparently Arab militias would be better behaved in a cooler climate.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56229
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Kill that apostate! Salman Rushdie knighted.
“Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said in January 2005 that he still believed the British novelist was an apostate whose killing would be authorised by Islam.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070617/wl_uk_afp/britainhonoursawards_070617124709
And that’s 3 years old piece is news?
“Eighteen years after the Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa calling on Muslims to kill him, a government minister in Pakistan said yesterday that Rushdie?s recent knighthood justified suicide bombing.”
Attack Pakistan! Oh wait, they might actually defend themselves…[/quote]
Lixy, isn’t the bigger issue that Islamists in government ministries are actually re-issuing the threat of violence. Not some “bad apple” as you put it when you give one of your brothers a pass…
Can you “consult with the Arab media” about that please?
Anybody who says Islam is not peaceful deserves death!
The recent threats by Pakistan on Salman Rushdie included threats on the British Government. The article that Sloth posted quoted a pakistani government official as saying that the knighthood of Rushdie justifies suicide attacks on Britian.
Is that enough justification to go to war? Are government sponsored suicide attacks equivalent to military aggression? I would say yes, and encourage the British to retaliate should she actually be attacked.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Kill that apostate! Salman Rushdie knighted.
“Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said in January 2005 that he still believed the British novelist was an apostate whose killing would be authorised by Islam.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070617/wl_uk_afp/britainhonoursawards_070617124709
“Eighteen years after the Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa calling on Muslims to kill him, a government minister in Pakistan said yesterday that Rushdie?s recent knighthood justified suicide bombing.”
You know, I need to read that book.
Who funds all these idiots being spread out all over the globe? These people need the necessities, the passports, and myriad other expenses. Hunt down and kill whoever is funding this shit.
I wonder if anyone in our government has thought of killing the families of suicide bombers? If some 17 year old Muslim kid knows his family will get a visit from a SWAT-team equivalent, he might think twice before putting on that vest.
I know killing innocents is bad, but since some innocents will die, how about the family of the shithead, and not OUR families.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I don’t see your point though. What does it change? I provided the link so that the entire article would be read, btw. The piece quoted was merely a reminder about that crazy bastard’s stance on the issue. So, yeah, I have no clue what you think you’ve accomplished…[/quote]
You overlooked the meat of the story by choosing not to report on the real piece of news (that is, the fresh one) about the stance of that Pakistani lawmaker. By any standard, it’s far worse and far more relevant than what the ayatollah did three years ago.
Guess where Ben-Laden is hiding?
Hint: It’s not Iran.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
And, you’ll have to excuse me if I’m not alarmed by Belien’s stance against radical Islam.[/quote]
No, no. His beef is with any people of North-African descent.
[quote]pat36 wrote:
You know, I need to read that book.[/quote]
That Fatwa sure was the best thing that happened to Rushdie. Got him fame, money, and more recently, knighthood.
[quote]lixy wrote:
You overlooked the meat of the story by choosing not to report on the real piece of news [/quote]
You mean, like you did in these threads, started by you?
US Strike Kills Afgan Police:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1607876&pageNo=1#1611468
UK Schools Drop Holocaust:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1582629
That’s hilarious, lixy. You, an unapologetic twister and fabricator of facts to support your own views… crying foul when others seem to do it. That’s funny!
[quote]lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
You know, I need to read that book.
That Fatwa sure was the best thing that happened to Rushdie. Got him fame, money, and more recently, knighthood.[/quote]
I read the Satanic Verses about 10 years ago, and I don’t remember it being that good. I remember seeing huge crowds chanting death to Rushdie and holding banners and carring on back in 1988 when it was published. I couldn’t help but thing that 99% of the poor protesting bastards never even read the book. I think they would have been disapointed if the had.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Who funds all these idiots being spread out all over the globe? [/quote]
Ultimately that would be you, the US of A, using three ways.
By using lots of oil, by sponsoring and protecting the Saudis who have a long history of making trouble go away with money (which includes radical Islamic gropups) and by financing the foolish police actions, liberations and so on that gives them new recruits.
How long do you think you can last by sponsoring both sides of the “war”?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Who funds all these idiots being spread out all over the globe? These people need the necessities, the passports, and myriad other expenses. Hunt down and kill whoever is funding this shit.
I wonder if anyone in our government has thought of killing the families of suicide bombers? If some 17 year old Muslim kid knows his family will get a visit from a SWAT-team equivalent, he might think twice before putting on that vest.
I know killing innocents is bad, but since some innocents will die, how about the family of the shithead, and not OUR families.[/quote]
If you think suicide bombers care the least bit about the identity of the dead, you’re deeply mistaken. They wouldn’t be killing indiscriminately innocent men, women and children if they cared. They probably wouldn’t give a rat’s ass about the consequences of their acts on their relatives.
[quote]BH6 wrote:
I read the Satanic Verses about 10 years ago, and I don’t remember it being that good. I remember seeing huge crowds chanting death to Rushdie and holding banners and carring on back in 1988 when it was published. I couldn’t help but thing that 99% of the poor protesting bastards never even read the book. I think they would have been disapointed if the had. [/quote]
Same applies for the Jylland-posten cartoons.
[quote]lixy wrote:
They probably wouldn’t give a rat’s ass about the consequences of their acts on their relatives.[/quote]
If terrorists are this deeply irrational, why would anyone think that trying to change non-terrorist behavior (read: support of Israel or any of the other fatuous claims) to make them react a different way as would, a rational consequence, do any good?
If terrorists are so irrational that killing their families would have zero effect on them, then why would any other action have an effect on them?
What is the trust-fund radical’s answer?
[quote]orion wrote:
How long do you think you can last by sponsoring both sides of the “war”?
[/quote]
Sadly, the status quo finds that the current situations are quite acceptable. Simply put: business is good. Why would they want to chage it?
[quote]BH6 wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
You know, I need to read that book.
That Fatwa sure was the best thing that happened to Rushdie. Got him fame, money, and more recently, knighthood.
I read the Satanic Verses about 10 years ago, and I don’t remember it being that good. I remember seeing huge crowds chanting death to Rushdie and holding banners and carring on back in 1988 when it was published. I couldn’t help but thing that 99% of the poor protesting bastards never even read the book. I think they would have been disapointed if the had.
[/quote]
Maybe I’ll get the cliff’s notes
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
If terrorists are this deeply irrational, why would anyone think that trying to change non-terrorist behavior (read: support of Israel or any of the other fatuous claims) to make them react a different way as would, a rational consequence, do any good?
If terrorists are so irrational that killing their families would have zero effect on them, then why would any other action have an effect on them? [/quote]
Withdrawing unconditional support of Israel should not be done to get rid of terrorists. You should be convinced that distancing yourself from their actions is the right thing to do. The terrorists only use it as a rallying cause to recruit people.
I’m not an expert, but I would guess that after a few months in an Al-Qaeda center, you probably come out a lot less rational than you went in. Basically, they bait them with legitimate concerns, then brainwash them into oblivion. Kinda like any respectable sect works.
This is a very broad topic that’s discussed extensively in the literature dealing with terrorism. I don’t think we can cover it in one post. So, I’ll give you a short answer: Changing your foreign policy will not make the indoctrinated terrorist change their behavior, but it will certainly have a negative impact on Al-Qaeda’s ability to recruit in the future. It’s not a miracle solution. It needs time to work. That way, you halt the growth of the movement and can then proceed to deal with a limited pool of enemies rather than a constantly growing one.
Of course, you should also realize that millions of bombs and bullets are not the way to go, and that tactical units would lead the best results.
The goal of Bush has never had much to do with terrorists in the first pla time a new terrorist is born. It’s their bread and butter.
Christians need protection in Gaza. With the inmates running the asylum, they’re in danger. Heck, religious minorities need protection in a number of Islamic nations.
How about it religion of peace, protect the Copts, Assyrian, etc?
[quote]kroby wrote:
orion wrote:
How long do you think you can last by sponsoring both sides of the “war”?
Sadly, the status quo finds that the current situations are quite acceptable. Simply put: business is good. Why would they want to chage it?[/quote]
Americans?
I dunno, lack of freedoms, erosion of the republic, public debt up to the eyeballs?
But I guess as long as they are easily entertained with creationism, gay marriage, and mindless patriotism they pretty much get what they deserve.
On a personal level it will forever remain a mistery to me why people completely lose it if someone waves a coloured piece of cloth before them.
That is somehow like hypnotizing chicken…
Well, I guess the lure of the tribe is strong…