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[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

Those are a very strange people indeed. While topologically they appear very African to the uninitiated, racially Swedes are far closer to Bantus than the Abos are. Their closest relatives are a minority race in Oceania called the ‘negritos’ who have black skin and blonde hair, and of the major population groups, the South Indian ‘Dravidians’ are said to be the closest bloodline to the Aboriginals.

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I’ve heard many theories about their origin based on genetic studies. That one sounds as plausible as any other. It’s not something I’ve looked into.

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Back to the topic of IQ, the mean score of Aboriginals is the lowest of any group, quite a bit lower than African peoples. The difference between South Indians and Aboriginals is also akin the disparity between Africans and Whites.

Interestingly enough, in case you didn’t know, Whites are closer related to Black Africans than they are to ‘Yellow’ Asians. So whatever evolutionary divergence caused the disparity between the European Whites and the African Blacks, may have been similar to what occured between the Australian Aboriginals and the South Indian Dravidians.[/quote]

Well here you’re straying into major generalisations. Do you know how many different ethnic groups there are in Africa? Not all Africans are the same. The term ‘whites’ is equally meaningless for the most part. I should also point out that there were hundreds of aboriginal tribes with different skin tones. None of them, however looked like Bindi Cole.

RE IQ

I haven’t done any research on the IQ test but I’ve always thought it had major problems. I believe, from doing the test, that it favours mathematical skill and cognitive speed. It has no way of measuring linguistic/language ‘intelligence’ or ‘common sense’, for instance. Anyway, that is my excuse for scoring 115 on my first test and falling approximately into the ‘average’ range. I also misinterpreted several questions including this one:

Q: What is missing from this picture?

<A picture of a dog with only one ear was shown. The stopwatch was timing me. I didn’t notice the missing ear, and ‘thinking outside the box’/‘lateral thinking’ or whatever, answered:

A: A collar

And therefore failed that question. Just one example.

Now, like I said I haven’t researched the IQ test but my understanding is that it was developed in the academic field of psychology as opposed to linguistics. Academic bias right there. Also, the field of psychology has been largely moonbattery since its inception by Freud and Jung from my understanding and experience of it. To put it simply, I don’t agree that my ultimate desire as a child was to screw my mother or some such shit.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
RE IQ

I haven’t done any research on the IQ test but I’ve always thought it had major problems. I believe, from doing the test, that it favours mathematical skill and cognitive speed. It has no way of measuring linguistic/language ‘intelligence’ or ‘common sense’, for instance. Anyway, that is my excuse for scoring 115 on my first test and falling approximately into the ‘average’ range. I also misinterpreted several questions including this one:

Q: What is missing from this picture?

<A picture of a dog with only one ear was shown. The stopwatch was timing me. I didn’t notice the missing ear, and ‘thinking outside the box’/‘lateral thinking’ or whatever, answered:

A: A collar

And therefore failed that question. Just one example.

Now, like I said I haven’t researched the IQ test but my understanding is that it was developed in the academic field of psychology as opposed to linguistics. Academic bias right there. Also, the field of psychology has been largely moonbattery since its inception by Freud and Jung from my understanding and experience of it. To put it simply, I don’t agree that my ultimate desire as a child was to screw my mother or some such shit.[/quote]

My Pa told me I did very well on the IQ test but never told me what the number was because he claimed he didn’t want me to be cocky. When I asked him why as a kid? He said “Because your discipline and mental control are now the main determinants of your success in life.”

I asked him again when I was older. I was in that wierd place in my life, where alot of my teenage illusions were wearing off, and I was starting to doubt my own capabilities. He still wouldn’t tell me the number. He cracked and told me I did a “better than the average,” when I asked “by how much?” he said “Does it matter? Are you successful? You are 19 going to community college and living in my basement. If you want to be a genius, then be a genius. A number will not tell you that one or another. Your actions determine that, you could be a 95 IQ Business owner or a 1000 IQ beggar, it comes down to what you make for yourself.”

I asked him later on, and he told me “Just go take the test again, and see how you do. To be honest, I don’t even believe your number because you are not accomplished, so what the hell does the test even mean?”

I went to take the test, and I finished it. Then the online website asked me for like 10 bux to see my result, lol. I was about to pay it, but then I realized what my Father was saying…would a smart man pay for this BS?

I laugh about it now. While IQ may measure cognitive abilities and be applied to a group, it is about as relevant as genetics are to bodybuilding. Some gifted guys might be incredibly lazy, and some hard-gainer guys might be incredibly disciplined. It is a component, but among those who fall into the majority distribution of the bell curve, and even the highest distribution…the largest component affecting your life, is your own WILL.

Some men are cognitively debilitated, and other men my be geniuses but emotionally debilitated, which actually seems to be very common. At the end of the day tho, the will to acton, discipline and self determination make your success. Some claim, it even affects your cognitive ability, as men who study and work their minds will become more intelligent over all. Just like men who lift consistently will eventually experience hyperplasia and muscle memory.

It’s all in our hands.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Also, the field of psychology has been largely moonbattery since its inception by Freud and Jung from my understanding and experience of it. To put it simply, I don’t agree that my ultimate desire as a child was to screw my mother or some such shit.[/quote]

Since you like to read you could update your knowledge about psychology. Not much of screwing your mother left there. IQ and other tests are mainly done by psychologists, that’s a big part of their job. Linguistics is just as academic as psychology.

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
95 IQ Business owner or a 1000 IQ beggar, it comes down to what you make for yourself."

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Your father is probably right. High IQ goes to some degree hand in hand, I have no statistics, with weak social skills (weirdo) or inability to systematically to take to conclusion any of the ideas that the mind comes up with. As far as I know, Mensa is not a club for the wealthy and powerfull, lot’s of ordinary workers there. But I don’t know for sure, not a member and never taken the test.

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

Since you like to read you could update your knowledge about psychology.

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Couldn’t be bothered. Boring.

Maybe not. Plenty of moonbattery though I know that much.

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IQ and other tests are mainly done by psychologists, that’s a big part of their job. Linguistics is just as academic as psychology.[/quote]

Yeah I know. My point is Newton probably would’ve scored a lot higher than Shakespeare for instance, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he was ‘smarter’. There are different types of intelligence and the IQ is flawed because it favours mathematical ability and cognitive speed. I imagine it does give a reasonable idea of whether the person doing the test is the village idiot or not though.

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

It’s all in our hands.[/quote]

I wouldn’t quite go that far. You’re getting into the old ‘nurture’ vs ‘nature’ argument. You raise some good points though. In fact your comments appear to be fairly well reasoned. That lie down seems to have done you some good.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Yeah I know. My point is Newton probably would’ve scored a lot higher than Shakespeare for instance, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he was ‘smarter’. There are different types of intelligence and the IQ is flawed because it favours mathematical ability and cognitive speed. I imagine it does give a reasonable idea of whether the person doing the test is the village idiot or not though.[/quote]

No, they are not flawed. They would be flawed if they gave wrong readings. The idea to measure something like this can be considered to be flawed. I partly agree with that. This is nitpicking, I know, but these are important differences. *Smarter’ is popular psychology.

As a sidenote, since we are talking about human capabilities, you probably can pump up your result just by practising the kind of questions that come up in the test. They say it can’t be done but I have heard otherwise from people who claim to have done it. Since you have done the test you could find out the truth about this.

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Yeah I know. My point is Newton probably would’ve scored a lot higher than Shakespeare for instance, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he was ‘smarter’. There are different types of intelligence and the IQ is flawed because it favours mathematical ability and cognitive speed. I imagine it does give a reasonable idea of whether the person doing the test is the village idiot or not though.[/quote]

No, they are not flawed. They would be flawed if they gave wrong readings. The idea to measure something like this can be considered to be flawed. I partly agree with that. This is nitpicking, I know, but these are important differences. *Smarter’ is popular psychology.

As a sidenote, since we are talking about human capabilities, you probably can pump up your result just by practising the kind of questions that come up in the test. They say it can’t be done but I have heard otherwise from people who claim to have done it. Since you have done the test you could find out the truth about this.[/quote]

Actually I’ve done the test several times hence my words ‘on my first test.’ I’ve also heard that you can practice IQ tests and get better at them. But basically I don’t care what ‘score’ I get.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve also heard that you can practice IQ tests and get better at them.[/quote]

Yes, I probably can’t change my cognitive speed, but I can change my readiness and blast away immediately and since I already know what kind of answers are possible I’m more likely to guess right.

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve also heard that you can practice IQ tests and get better at them.[/quote]

Yes, I probably can’t change my cognitive speed, but I can change my readiness and blast away immediately and since I already know what kind of answers are possible I’m more likely to guess right.
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Sounds very logical.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve also heard that you can practice IQ tests and get better at them.[/quote]

Yes, I probably can’t change my cognitive speed, but I can change my readiness and blast away immediately and since I already know what kind of answers are possible I’m more likely to guess right.
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Sounds very logical.[/quote]

Well, yes, I should find out myself if it works or not but it’s not that interesting for me either.

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve also heard that you can practice IQ tests and get better at them.[/quote]

Yes, I probably can’t change my cognitive speed, but I can change my readiness and blast away immediately and since I already know what kind of answers are possible I’m more likely to guess right.
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Sounds very logical.[/quote]

Well, yes, I should find out myself if it works or not but it’s not that interesting for me either.[/quote]
Ironic while you guys were talking about this, I was just doing sample IQ problems. Just samplings not a full-on test. Anyways, I can certainly say that (1) I got far better by the third time, as I was rusty to problems such as those listed; and (2) Previous study determines one’s ability on alot of these questions. For example, I was faced with questions like “if so-so were 3x what so so-so is, but so-so is 2 feet less than blah-blah”, in this question I directly used my past study of Algebra to break out the problem on a piece of paper using variables. Had I never taken Algebra, I would probably not have gotten the question. Also something else I’ve never thought about, I wasn’t diagnosed with color-blindness till I was in 4th grade believe it or not, I took the IQ test in 3rd grade. I wonder how many colored pattern questions I failed just because they looked different to me.

I think the IQ test might be indicative of some ability, but probably DOES need to be reworked to actually be a ‘cognitive’ standard.

I think we all have noticed tho, vast differences in mathametical and basal cognitive abilities that seem to remain in people from similar environments, despite education. I know guys who could figure out Algebra problems without ever taking the class, and other guys who could’t factor a polynomial to save their life but have incredible mechanical abilities.

I think congntitive abilities take place in a far more varied distribution than some percieve. Humans minds are like amoebas, and each one seems to have a pseudopodia extending out into some field that favors them. Some have several, and a few have none. We all have something that is more favorable than anyother aspect, and an IQ test may fall to recognize that.

Think about it, even if Blacks do have a mean lower iq…they do dominate, Comedy, Sports and Music. There is obviously a great deal of ability that is overrepresented in their population for those aspects. Can an IQ test tell if you’re funny? Is that not a type of intelligence? Maybe that relates to a type of problem solving skill that can’t be put on a piece of paper?

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve also heard that you can practice IQ tests and get better at them.[/quote]

Yes, I probably can’t change my cognitive speed, but I can change my readiness and blast away immediately and since I already know what kind of answers are possible I’m more likely to guess right.
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Sounds very logical.[/quote]

Well, yes, I should find out myself if it works or not but it’s not that interesting for me either.[/quote]
Ironic while you guys were talking about this, I was just doing sample IQ problems. Just samplings not a full-on test. Anyways, I can certainly say that (1) I got far better by the third time, as I was rusty to problems such as those listed; and (2) Previous study determines one’s ability on alot of these questions. For example, I was faced with questions like “if so-so were 3x what so so-so is, but so-so is 2 feet less than blah-blah”, in this question I directly used my past study of Algebra to break out the problem on a piece of paper using variables. Had I never taken Algebra, I would probably not have gotten the question. Also something else I’ve never thought about, I wasn’t diagnosed with color-blindness till I was in 4th grade believe it or not, I took the IQ test in 3rd grade. I wonder how many colored pattern questions I failed just because they looked different to me.

I think the IQ test might be indicative of some ability, but probably DOES need to be reworked to actually be a ‘cognitive’ standard.

I think we all have noticed tho, vast differences in mathametical and basal cognitive abilities that seem to remain in people from similar environments, despite education. I know guys who could figure out Algebra problems without ever taking the class, and other guys who could’t factor a polynomial to save their life but have incredible mechanical abilities.

I think congntitive abilities take place in a far more varied distribution than some percieve. Humans minds are like amoebas, and each one seems to have a pseudopodia extending out into some field that favors them. Some have several, and a few have none. We all have something that is more favorable than anyother aspect, and an IQ test may fall to recognize that.

Think about it, even if Blacks do have a mean lower iq…they do dominate, Comedy, Sports and Music. There is obviously a great deal of ability that is overrepresented in their population for those aspects. Can an IQ test tell if you’re funny? Is that not a type of intelligence? Maybe that relates to a type of problem solving skill that can’t be put on a piece of paper?[/quote]

I believe you are not supposed to write our the problems or solutions, but just do it mentally.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve also heard that you can practice IQ tests and get better at them.[/quote]

Yes, I probably can’t change my cognitive speed, but I can change my readiness and blast away immediately and since I already know what kind of answers are possible I’m more likely to guess right.
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Sounds very logical.[/quote]

Well, yes, I should find out myself if it works or not but it’s not that interesting for me either.[/quote]
Ironic while you…Maybe that relates to a type of problem solving skill that can’t be put on a piece of paper?[/quote]

I believe you are not supposed to write our the problems or solutions, but just do it mentally.[/quote]
That’s sort of idiotic, some people are visual learners. People have varying memory capacities as well.

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve also heard that you can practice IQ tests and get better at them.[/quote]

Yes, I probably can’t change my cognitive speed, but I can change my readiness and blast away immediately and since I already know what kind of answers are possible I’m more likely to guess right.
[/quote]

Sounds very logical.[/quote]

Well, yes, I should find out myself if it works or not but it’s not that interesting for me either.[/quote]
Ironic while you guys were talking about this, I was just doing sample IQ problems. Just samplings not a full-on test. Anyways, I can certainly say that (1) I got far better by the third time, as I was rusty to problems such as those listed; and (2) Previous study determines one’s ability on alot of these questions. For example, I was faced with questions like “if so-so were 3x what so so-so is, but so-so is 2 feet less than blah-blah”, in this question I directly used my past study of Algebra to break out the problem on a piece of paper using variables. Had I never taken Algebra, I would probably not have gotten the question. Also something else I’ve never thought about, I wasn’t diagnosed with color-blindness till I was in 4th grade believe it or not, I took the IQ test in 3rd grade. I wonder how many colored pattern questions I failed just because they looked different to me.

I think the IQ test might be indicative of some ability, but probably DOES need to be reworked to actually be a ‘cognitive’ standard.

I think we all have noticed tho, vast differences in mathametical and basal cognitive abilities that seem to remain in people from similar environments, despite education. I know guys who could figure out Algebra problems without ever taking the class, and other guys who could’t factor a polynomial to save their life but have incredible mechanical abilities.

I think congntitive abilities take place in a far more varied distribution than some percieve. Humans minds are like amoebas, and each one seems to have a pseudopodia extending out into some field that favors them. Some have several, and a few have none. We all have something that is more favorable than anyother aspect, and an IQ test may fall to recognize that.

Think about it, even if Blacks do have a mean lower iq…they do dominate, Comedy, Sports and Music. There is obviously a great deal of ability that is overrepresented in their population for those aspects. Can an IQ test tell if you’re funny? Is that not a type of intelligence? Maybe that relates to a type of problem solving skill that can’t be put on a piece of paper?[/quote]

I don’t really have anything to add other than to say this is a good post. During the IQ and brain maximization stage of my college dilettantism, I certainly found I was able to get better and better at IQ tests, and noticed that the tests do indeed appear to favor certain kinds of knowledge.

Comedy is an excellent point to bring up. The ability to bit witty, clever or react to certain situations with an extremely small window of opportunity (timing) is a form of intelligence that is clearly real. Yet I cannot imagine a way this aspect of intelligence could ever be empirically measured or tested.

IQ tests are by their nature unable to measure tactile intelligence, as well. I don’t care enough to look up his name or book right now but there is a professor I believe who teaches or taught at Harvard who has identified I think seven different distinct intelligences. I’d further surmise that certain kinds of intelligence act in synergy in some cases, for example creative and tactile intelligences certainly must have both been extremely strong in Michelangelo.

EDIT: I just remembered it was Howard Gardner.

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Think about it, even if Blacks do have a mean lower iq…they do dominate, Comedy. [/quote]

Yeah, there are no Jewish commedians. I mean name ONE Jewish comedian besides:

Borat (Sacha Cohen), Milton Berle, Jack Black, Mel Brooks, Billy Chrystal, Rodney Dangerfield, Marty Feldman, Buddy Hacket, Pee-Wee Herman, All three stooges, All the Marx brothers, Dennis Miller, Don Rickles, Seth Rogen, Adam Sandler, Jerry Seinfeld, Sarah Silverman, Ben Stein, Howard Stern, Jon Stewart, Ben Stiller, Gene Wilder, and Henny Youngman.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
For reference, an actual aborigine. One of these things is not like the other…[/quote]

I dunno, the hair seems to be the same.