[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
which “opinion” ?
William Stern was from german-jewish origin and David Wechsler was from romanian-jewish origin. [/quote]
Modern day IQ tests are composed entirely of black and white progressive matrices. To say that they are biased in favour of jews is to say jews have a natural advantage when it comes to logically deducing an outcome based on observed patterns… which isn’t actually a bias at all as that’s the point of IQ tests.[/quote]
exactly.
critics of the IQ tests haven’t been able to come up with their own tests that would demonstrate the “bias” of the tests in use today.
it’s not just the IQ tests that show this disparity - university admissions exams, for example, show exact same trends.
also, the group that consistently scores higher than average on the IQ tests is the far-east Asians - another argument against the presence of a “jewish bias” in those tests.
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Well, that sucks. How about French, German, Irish guys? We scoring alright? I’d imagine the German side would give me a boost, but the Irish side would drag me down, neutralizing any advantage. Doesn’t matter, the french side would make me surrender half way through the test, anyways.[/quote]
No, Sloth, you have nothing to worry about: heritage is not destiny.
TT and ReignIB get a point: there is no jiggering of the IQ test to methodically favor one “group” over another over time, unless it was the well-hidden efforts of some at Stanford and Princeton to erase the Ashkenazi difference.
But kamui does not see the point. When I asked for sources for his opinion, his response, “Which opinion?” revealed his own little prejudice, that Jews had somehow, whether as individuals or as a corporate presence in science, altered the IQ test, secretly and malevolently, for their own nefarious ends. No source is necessary, it is no opinion, but self-evident fact, as kamui might have it. What could be more obvious? But the attribution to a group of malevolent intent, without any basis in examined fact, is prejudice, and in this case it happens to be anti-Semitism.
Kamui’s prejudice is so smooth, so genteel–after all, he is a high school teacher and soi-disant rationalist and well-educated man–that it pales beside the mindless rants of Rohnyn or method-man, either of whom may be responsible for the Ashkenazi difference by simply shifting the IQ curve so far to the left that everyone looks like a genius in comparison.
(Incidentally, the comparatively few Jews involved in the slave trade–and in 16th century piracy for that matter–were Sephardim and crypto-Jews, consigned to the corners of trade not prohibited them directly.)
I find the article full of faults, but for a discussion of Ashkenazi IQ by biogeneticists: http://web.mit.edu/hst.508/www/Ashkenazi.pdf.
For crap, see any post by Rohnyn or method-man.