Swordthrower,
Have you studied the Bible?
And surley the british empire, and the mongolian empire should be in there?
[quote]swordthrower wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Newton’s First Law is supported by the Creation account. God created in a literal six day time frame and then the Bible says He ended the creation. Matter cannot be created nor destroyed, only changed from one form of energy into another. This is one strong fact Pookie.
Newton’s Second Law (Entropy) – Systems “wind down” i.e. increase in chaos – not “evolve” into more complex and ordered forms. Look around you – society itself has degenerated over time, not to mention all of the natural disasters going on lately…
Wow. Thank you for giving us indisputable evidence of your ingnorance of basic science.
Newtons 1st Law: In an inertial reference frame, an object moving at a constant velocity will remain remain moving at that velocity unless acted on by a force. What does that have to do with matter being created or destroyed? Anyway, we know through quantum mechanics, that matter can spontaneously appear and then disappear (the time-energy uncertainty principle allows this).
Newtons 2nd Law: The magnitude of the force exerted on an object is the time derivative of its momentum (the famous F=ma equation). You are thinking of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which states that the entropy of a closed system must increase with time. That means that the fact that you are breathing is violating the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics locally, but because your body is not a closed system, the overall entropy is increasing. Please don’t jump on the 2nd law bandwagon, because its for anyone to take you seriously.
Also, using society as an example of the 2nd law of thermodynamics is ridiculous and shows you have no grasp on the concept. Are you honestly suggesting that the complexity of society has decreased? Thousands of years ago humans were wandering around in loincloths throwing spears, and now we have organized governments, economies, etc. Please spare us the childish misuse of science next time.
And natural disasters? Please Jesus, tell me he is not serious. Does a hurricane seem like a good example of disorder? A spiraling system which rotates around a clearly defined central point? That’s disorder? If a hurricane doesn’t violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics locally, then I don’t know what does…
Steveo, I would suggest you pray for a good science education (didn’t you say you studied math???).
And last time I checked, I was still waiting for:
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Examples of Biblical prophecies which have come true (and thereby proving that it is truly God’s word).
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Examples of scientific evidence for a literal interpretation of Creation (and a 6000 year old Earth and universe).
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Any literalist who has a high-school level grasp of thermodynamics and cosmology.[/quote]
Ok, here is an example for #1:
Matt 24:1
“1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?” he asked. “I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
Historical Fact: Rome destroyed the Jewish temple in 70AD and predicted here by Jesus.
[quote]FlyingEmuOfDoom wrote:
Swordthrower,
Have you studied the Bible?[/quote]
Nope. I read enough fiction as it is.
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
swordthrower wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Newton’s First Law is supported by the Creation account. God created in a literal six day time frame and then the Bible says He ended the creation. Matter cannot be created nor destroyed, only changed from one form of energy into another. This is one strong fact Pookie.
Newton’s Second Law (Entropy) – Systems “wind down” i.e. increase in chaos – not “evolve” into more complex and ordered forms. Look around you – society itself has degenerated over time, not to mention all of the natural disasters going on lately…
Wow. Thank you for giving us indisputable evidence of your ingnorance of basic science.
Newtons 1st Law: In an inertial reference frame, an object moving at a constant velocity will remain remain moving at that velocity unless acted on by a force. What does that have to do with matter being created or destroyed? Anyway, we know through quantum mechanics, that matter can spontaneously appear and then disappear (the time-energy uncertainty principle allows this).
Newtons 2nd Law: The magnitude of the force exerted on an object is the time derivative of its momentum (the famous F=ma equation). You are thinking of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which states that the entropy of a closed system must increase with time. That means that the fact that you are breathing is violating the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics locally, but because your body is not a closed system, the overall entropy is increasing. Please don’t jump on the 2nd law bandwagon, because its for anyone to take you seriously.
Also, using society as an example of the 2nd law of thermodynamics is ridiculous and shows you have no grasp on the concept. Are you honestly suggesting that the complexity of society has decreased? Thousands of years ago humans were wandering around in loincloths throwing spears, and now we have organized governments, economies, etc. Please spare us the childish misuse of science next time.
And natural disasters? Please Jesus, tell me he is not serious. Does a hurricane seem like a good example of disorder? A spiraling system which rotates around a clearly defined central point? That’s disorder? If a hurricane doesn’t violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics locally, then I don’t know what does…
Steveo, I would suggest you pray for a good science education (didn’t you say you studied math???).
And last time I checked, I was still waiting for:
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Examples of Biblical prophecies which have come true (and thereby proving that it is truly God’s word).
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Examples of scientific evidence for a literal interpretation of Creation (and a 6000 year old Earth and universe).
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Any literalist who has a high-school level grasp of thermodynamics and cosmology.
Ok, here is an example for #1:
Matt 24:1
“1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?” he asked. “I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
Historical Fact: Rome destroyed the Jewish temple in 70AD and predicted here by Jesus.
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And the bible couldn’t have been altered after 70AD, and this “prophecy” added for effect? C’mon, man. This is a book written by people after the fact.
http://quailridgebooks.booksense.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp?s=storeevents&eventId=316358
Well, if we reject science and try to replace it with religion, knowledge will certainly decrease…
Strange how fundamentalism is now a force for regression instead of enlightenment and progress.
[quote]swordthrower wrote:
FlyingEmuOfDoom wrote:
Swordthrower,
Have you studied the Bible?
Nope. I read enough fiction as it is.[/quote]
Then you have absolutely no say on anything concerning the Bible.
You keep saying it’s fiction because you assume it is. You disregard every one of the prophecies without even studying or knowing what you’re talking about.
There is also archeological evidence that supports the Bible as well. But none of that matters either, right?
Swordthrower,
check out the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Increase of Knowledge - The Prophet Daniel was instructed that in the last days knowledge and travel would greatly increase: “Be thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased” (Daniel 12:4) It is evident that in the past century both education and travel have exponentially accelerated.
You guys don’t think it’s kind of interesting how just in the last 100 years people went from riding around in carriages to flying in jet planes across the world, landing on the moon, etc? Knowledge and transportion go hand in hand, and yes, “to and fro” does mean traveling.
Come on now! People never had these things before 100 years ago, now all of the sudden there has been an explosion of knowledge.
All in such an incredibly short time span of human history.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Yes, Christianity degenerated the muslim world. Christians are out here in force blowing up busses, restaurants, etc. all in the name of “faith.” What a crock of …
Perhaps if you really knew what you were talking about, you would sound a bit more intelligent.
Nice twist Steveo.
Anybody with a brain knows that he meant fundamental religious viewpoints, not Christianity.
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No twist at all Vroom. If he meant fundamental Christianity that would include Jesus since he was a fundamental Christian. Remember Jesus Christ Himself said:
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"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. ?For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. ?Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ?For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:17-20
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Wow, seems like Jesus took the Bible at face value and believed that ALL would come to pass. So, are we now attacking Jesus Himself?
“Enlightened reilgion” – you must be kiding!
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Any other brilliant insights to share?[/quote]
Not for now, but after that remark about Isalm being “enlightened” you betray your lack of knowledge of their religion or the Koran. You really need to do more homework Vroom before you post and especially before you try to tear others apart.
Enlightened religion…yeah, tell that to all the Jewish lives that have been lost in the name of Mohammed and the trouble that Europe has been in due to the unchecked Muslim immigration. Perhaps you don’t mind unchecked Muslim immigration into the US Vroom, because you live in that “enlightened country” up North, but I guess that will be your problem as well some day…
[quote]swordthrower wrote:
I can’t fucking believe that we are still doing the fact-theory dance. Its deja-vu all over again…
I think steveo and his friends should just write a standart post that says: “Macroevolution is just a theory, not a fact. Jesus hates queers and Catholics. Atheists are bitter and hateful. Jesus cries whenever you watch Brokeback Mountain. The bible is to be literally interpreted, except for when it doesn’t fit into our narrow world view. God is loving and all-powerful, as long as you do what he says and tell him how much you like him.” and post it over and over again.
Oh, wait. That’s basically what they do.[/quote]
I couldn’t resist reponding to this drivel. I never said any of these things. What I have said is what God has said …
“God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
God loves Catholics, Jews, Muslims, homosexuals, and quite frankly sinners like myself as well. He loved us enough to die for us. Of course it is not His will for us to go on in our sins, or violate His Holy word, but you truly mischaracterize what I have posted…perhaps in an effort to discredit God?
I cannot make this any clearer…God loves the sinner, but hates the sin. Unfortunately, it is the sinner who will be punsihed eventually, but he doesn’t have to if he turns to God on God’s own terms. That is the part that most people don’t like, becasue we want God (or reject him) on our terms.
God loves you too, but the way!
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
swordthrower wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
atheists, homosexuals, Buddists, Muslims, secular philosophy
I can’t wait to get to hell to hang out with all my friends…
I think you forgot Jews. They’re all doomed too right? Poor bastards never hopped on the Jesus bandwagon and now they have to pay…
This is so out of context of what Steveo really intended, I’d have to conclude that you work for the Washington press corps!
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LOL…!
[quote]swordthrower wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Newton’s First Law is supported by the Creation account. God created in a literal six day time frame and then the Bible says He ended the creation. Matter cannot be created nor destroyed, only changed from one form of energy into another. This is one strong fact Pookie.
Newton’s Second Law (Entropy) – Systems “wind down” i.e. increase in chaos – not “evolve” into more complex and ordered forms. Look around you – society itself has degenerated over time, not to mention all of the natural disasters going on lately…
Wow. Thank you for giving us indisputable evidence of your ingnorance of basic science.
Newtons 1st Law: In an inertial reference frame, an object moving at a constant velocity will remain remain moving at that velocity unless acted on by a force. What does that have to do with matter being created or destroyed? Anyway, we know through quantum mechanics, that matter can spontaneously appear and then disappear (the time-energy uncertainty principle allows this).
Newtons 2nd Law: The magnitude of the force exerted on an object is the time derivative of its momentum (the famous F=ma equation). You are thinking of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which states that the entropy of a closed system must increase with time. That means that the fact that you are breathing is violating the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics locally, but because your body is not a closed system, the overall entropy is increasing. Please don’t jump on the 2nd law bandwagon, because its for anyone to take you seriously.
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Sorry, I did mean the 1st and 2nd Laws of Thermodynamics. You know, after midnight, at my age, I begin to lose some brain cells. However, I do stand by my assertions here in its corrected form.
Don’t forget, being a “closed” or “open” system, does depend upon the frame of reference. In a sense, the universe is really a “closed” system when looked upon as a whole. There is no reason to suspect these laws do not apply to the whole as it does the part. That is just convenient for you guys to say.
Order has decreased – yes I am saying that “societal entropy” has increased. That is just a fact. Look at the news and then compare it to the NY Times from 120 years ago. I think there definately is a pattern…
Really, where you there? Do you have pictures of these spear throwing family members of yours? I guess my grandmother forgot to give me those pictures…do you realize just how ridiculous this sounds?
When I cannot think of anything scientific to say, just attack the science education of your opponet. Nice try, but I leave it to others to decide that…not you!
(1)The progression of the Gentile World empires (read Daniel).
(2) The seed of the woman – The Messiah – from Isaiah
(3) ALL of the Messianic prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures.
(4) Channukkah – Daniel chapter 8.
I could go on, but what is the use. Read and study the Bible and secular world history and see for yourself.
There is none and I never said there was any. I take God at His Word. You take Darwin at His word.
You know, I think I am in better company than you, because
God + nobody = A majority!
Creationism = faith
Darwinish = faith
Neither one is science in and of itself
However, the scientific evidence in my view, supports Creation and not Evolution.
[quote]
- Any literalist who has a high-school level grasp of thermodynamics and cosmology.[/quote]
Read The Genesis Flood by John C. Whitcomb and Henry Morris.
For that matter, read anything written by Dr. Henry Morris (who is in fact a scientist and a young earth creationist).
Take care…
[quote]miniross wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
miniross wrote:
That was weak, dude, very weak. Most of my students would come back with better than that.
Who’s more likely to have been to Kent, you or I?
Your done. Back to lusting after the Queen, Sir Smokey McCracken.
Alright g’vnor me old mate, after buggering the queen i ill now deal with your comment, god bless the queen g’vnor.
Deary Deary me, sorry my previous comment WAS edited by the mods, so there you go, you will never feel the full extent of my wrath!
Anyway, you as a teacher? (i guess), now that IS weak. Better teach tour students better next time, as you prove yourself complicit in their ineptitude.
Kent is only a flight away, and frankly it is very possible that you could have been ther, like i to your backwater.[/quote]
Teaching tour students? I teach Physics and Calculus.
I know you meant ‘your’, btw. So, where’s the famous British stoicism, stiff upper lip and all? You got so angry you couldn’t type? Shame. Winston must be indeed spinning in his grave.
Inept? I’ve placed students at Notre Dame, Michigan, several Ivy league schools, West Point.
My ‘backwater’ is the industrial heart of the world. I suspect that Ohio has a bigger GDP than all of England. Backwater? That’s hilarious!!
You are making a real jackass of yourself on this thread.
[quote]swordthrower wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
swordthrower wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
swordthrower wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
atheists, homosexuals, Buddists, Muslims, secular philosophy
I can’t wait to get to hell to hang out with all my friends…
I think you forgot Jews. They’re all doomed too right? Poor bastards never hopped on the Jesus bandwagon and now they have to pay…
This is so out of context of what Steveo really intended, I’d have to conclude that you work for the Washington press corps!
And your sense of humor is so lacking, that I’d have to conclude that you’ve got some type of long wooden object up your ass. Should we really take this stuff seriously?
I like to have fun here, not just argue.
Maybe the long wooden object is your NOSE, Pinocchio?
You misrepresented his words and come back with this BS? Beyond pathetic.
I took his words out of context ON PURPOSE, to make a joke. But thank you for proving my point.
Wait, doesn’t Pinnochio have a long, wooden nose? Dude that’s sick! You want me to stick my nose up your ass? That’s just wrong (I think it says so in the Bible, too). What’s next, gay marriage and buy-one-get-one-free specials at the abortion clinic?
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No, you brought up the wooden stuff. Just because you want to put your wooden nose up my ass, don’t try to change the subject. Please leave wooden objects and what you do with your friends ‘on the bench’, cowboy.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
miniross wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
miniross wrote:
That was weak, dude, very weak. Most of my students would come back with better than that.
Who’s more likely to have been to Kent, you or I?
Your done. Back to lusting after the Queen, Sir Smokey McCracken.
Alright g’vnor me old mate, after buggering the queen i ill now deal with your comment, god bless the queen g’vnor.
Deary Deary me, sorry my previous comment WAS edited by the mods, so there you go, you will never feel the full extent of my wrath!
Anyway, you as a teacher? (i guess), now that IS weak. Better teach tour students better next time, as you prove yourself complicit in their ineptitude.
Kent is only a flight away, and frankly it is very possible that you could have been ther, like i to your backwater.
Teaching tour students? I teach Physics and Calculus.
I know you meant ‘your’, btw. So, where’s the famous British stoicism, stiff upper lip and all? You got so angry you couldn’t type? Shame. Winston must be indeed spinning in his grave.
Inept? I’ve placed students at Notre Dame, Michigan, several Ivy league schools, West Point.
My ‘backwater’ is the industrial heart of the world. I suspect that Ohio has a bigger GDP than all of England. Backwater? That’s hilarious!!
You are making a real jackass of yourself on this thread.
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Again, see drinking thread for my poor typing.
Angry, no.
Loaded, yes.
And again, BRITAIN, not ENGLAND.
I doubt Ohio has a GDP larger than the UK. After changing uo to pounds, i am sure the NHS swallows all of that.
At least your not teaching biology or geology. Now that would be a worry.
Also, i am pleased that you have successful students, but are you implying that it is all your doing. I am sure you are not, but it could be taken as such.
Anyway, enough trash talking.
[quote]swordthrower wrote:
And the bible couldn’t have been altered after 70AD, and this “prophecy” added for effect? C’mon, man. This is a book written by people after the fact.
http://quailridgebooks.booksense.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp?s=storeevents&eventId=316358
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Dude, while that may make you feel better, there is plenty of archeological evidence that proves the bible is accurate and written a long time ago, not after the fact. See: 25 Fascinating Facts About the Dead Sea Scrolls @ Century One Bookstore
Not to mention the fact that Jews have historical documents of the Torah (basically all the books Moses wrote) that predate Jesus by thousands of years.
You believe what you want, but the truth is much different.
[quote]vroom wrote:
That’s a bit of a stretch, but regardless, how could transportation get SLOWER, and knowledge DECREASE?
Well, if we reject science and try to replace it with religion, knowledge will certainly decrease…
Strange how fundamentalism is now a force for regression instead of enlightenment and progress.[/quote]
Vroom, I think you have that backwards. Religion came first and science. Now many reject religion in favor of science to answer the unanswerable questions. Yet, as I have posted before, science and religion are not mutually exclusive. Science has verified the existence of the supernatural, while not being able to explain the mechanisms involved in the process.
So using science in an honest unbiased way will bring you full circle back to that fact that there are forces and processes at work in our universe that do not fit in the scientific means of understanding, but exists just the same.
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
vroom wrote:
That’s a bit of a stretch, but regardless, how could transportation get SLOWER, and knowledge DECREASE?
Well, if we reject science and try to replace it with religion, knowledge will certainly decrease…
Strange how fundamentalism is now a force for regression instead of enlightenment and progress.
Vroom, I think you have that backwards. Religion came first and science. Now many reject religion in favor of science to answer the unanswerable questions. Yet, as I have posted before, science and religion are not mutually exclusive. Science has verified the existence of the supernatural, while not being able to explain the mechanisms involved in the process.
So using science in an honest unbiased way will bring you full circle back to that fact that there are forces and processes at work in our universe that do not fit in the scientific means of understanding, but exists just the same.
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Where has “science” verified the supernatural. What Phenomenon have been scientifically varified, yet no mechanisms have been uncovered?
Also, for me they are muually exclusive, for one is about faith and the other reason. They are diometrically opposed positions.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
My ‘backwater’ is the industrial heart of the world. I suspect that Ohio has a bigger GDP than all of England. Backwater? That’s hilarious!!
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Ohio GDP: $US 419,866,000,000
UK GDP: $US 1,782,000,000,000
…not even a quarter of the way there.
Are most of your opinions based on similar suspicions?