[quote]Christine wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Most people with over a 40" waist are fat. I’m sure the waist-measure people would be able to look at Gunter and use their own discretion as to whether or not he qualifies as fit.
I’m also fairly certain they would be too afraid to call him fat.
Again, bullshit. These are like the guidelines in the military. I’ve seen people who are NOT fat who just measure out wrong because they are big who still get put on fat loss programs or kicked out as a result.
The same is going on here. They ignore those who fit outside of the guidelines and let them suffer the consequences, they don’t bother accommodating them.
Doesn’t not fitting into the “norm” have bigger implications in Japanese society than it does here also?
From my understanding, being different in just about any way is not at all accepted in Japan. So I would guess there would be even less acknowledgement of physiological differences.[/quote]
Good point. More than likely, this will be simply another reason for people to be blacklisted in that society.
The american media takes enough pot shots at Jap guys for the usual reasons. No reason for american guys to feel insecure next to little orientals.
A slim trim japanese guy isn;t likely to be the ultimate sexual fantasy for a hot blonde, or brunette anyway - and japs do have a fascination with the well endowed caucasian woman (if you watch enough anime) as an unachievable prize. Let the lil folks have their say in their part of the world.
And finally some of you are stretching this too far. Young jap guys do bodybuild and there are some mass monsters coming from that area. One look at a muscular guy with a 40" waist (like Gunter) will likely convince the docs to use a different parameter for him.
The article probably does not give the whole story. The 33 inch waist is used to target the average person while athletes and otehrs will be judged differently.
Hell you could diet a sumo wrestler down to single digit boidy fat and his waist size will STILL be over 40.
Why not use Waist to Hip ratio? I assume that is a solid parameter for all populations.
[quote]Christine wrote:
On the plus side, if they are all small, weak and underfed, they will be easier to invade if we ever need/want to.[/quote]
Gunter claims to be an ecto-mesomorph (short legs, long arms, large hands) but has NEVER been in good condition for all that mass. Go figure.
Sorry about the tangent.
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
You can see how massive Gunter’s hips are in this pic. Mine are similar. I have broad hips and shoulders. I naturally look big, which is good, but the hips hinder the tapered look to the point that my back has to be THAT much bigger in order to achieve it.
Gunter has done a good job, but you can still see how his genetics predispose him to having a large waist when you look at where the bikini string lies.[/quote]
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Gunter claims to be an ecto-mesomorph (short legs, long arms, large hands) but has NEVER been in good condition for all that mass. Go figure.
Sorry about the tangent.
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That’s BS. It was thought he beat several top 5 competitors in 2002. That year he never looked better. He is one of the last you should claim has never been in condition. His proportion is what causes him to be overlooked.
Are you referring to Kiyoshi? He is half japanese and half Aussie (white) if thats the case.
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
There is one pro bb’er on this site that is half black and half Japanese, I do believe he is from Japan. I wonder what he thinks of this.[/quote]
Again, bullshit. These are like the guidelines in the military. I’ve seen people who are NOT fat who just measure out wrong because they are big who still get put on fat loss programs or kicked out as a result.
The same is going on here. They ignore those who fit outside of the guidelines and let them suffer the consequences, they don’t bother accommodating them.[/quote]
Wha??? Maybe back in the day but now if you measure over they then go to body fat measurements. So you could be a lard ass but if your neck/waist ratio is ok you’d still meet requirements.
Small waist and giant ass is a rare occurrence, at least way rarer than a muscular person with a built waist. If you look at bber dudes, the ones who had a good clavicular width (and lat width) had a big ribcage, which is NICE.
However, in most bbers, a big ribcage comes along with a big waist and big hips (Mentzer, Viator) Yates managed to have excellent width without a giant ass, but his waist was built up to the point of him being the first “boxy” bber to win the olumpia.
Anomalies like Oliva, Zane and Buch come along once in a lifetime.
Look at that a-hole Trey Brewer…he effed up his physique with his so-called training/bulking for the nationals. All that really happened was he gained width but at the cost of thickening his waist to Cutleresque proportions.
Long story cut short, your best proportions are largely what your momma and poppa and THEIR mommas and poppas and so on handed down to you. It will take little effort to eff that up, but no amount of effort and drug use will transform someone who genetically has wide hips and ass into Oliva.
And excessive wide stance squatting and deadlifting without a belt will do plenty to give you width and thickness on top,…but unless youre one of the anomalies I mentioned earlier,…you’ll get much more junk in the trunk.
[quote]ahzaz wrote:
How would a waist to hip ratio prove anything? What if you have a small waist but a huge ass? Maybe you have a muscular ass.[/quote]
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Are you referring to Kiyoshi? He is half japanese and half Aussie (white) if thats the case.
DanErickson wrote:
There is one pro bb’er on this site that is half black and half Japanese, I do believe he is from Japan. I wonder what he thinks of this.
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Oh ok, I thought I remembered reading a while back that he was half black. Either way, citizen of Japan right?
Yo dude, are you talking about Ruhl or are we talking about Schlierkamp. He is one of the few bbers who can legitly pull off the MR. Clean pose that he trademarked.
His only structural flaws are a somewhat wide waist (balanced by his height tho) and relatively short legs (which give him the advantage as far as quad development is concerned) The only time he was in good condition was when he finished fourth in the O (2002 I believe).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
Gunter claims to be an ecto-mesomorph (short legs, long arms, large hands) but has NEVER been in good condition for all that mass. Go figure.
Sorry about the tangent.
That’s BS. It was thought he beat several top 5 competitors in 2002. That year he never looked better. He is one of the last you should claim has never been in condition. His proportion is what causes him to be overlooked.[/quote]
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
Are you referring to Kiyoshi? He is half japanese and half Aussie (white) if thats the case.
DanErickson wrote:
There is one pro bb’er on this site that is half black and half Japanese, I do believe he is from Japan. I wonder what he thinks of this.
Oh ok, I thought I remembered reading a while back that he was half black. Either way, citizen of Japan right?[/quote]
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
proportion???
yo dude, are you talking about Ruhl or are we talking about Schlierkamp. He is one of the few bbers who can legitly pull off the MR. Clean pose that he trademarked. His only structural flaws are a somewhat wide waist (balanced by his height tho) and relatively short legs (which give him the advantage as far as quad development is concerned)
The only time he was in good condition was when he finished fourth in the O (2002 I believe).
Professor X wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
Gunter claims to be an ecto-mesomorph (short legs, long arms, large hands) but has NEVER been in good condition for all that mass. Go figure.
Sorry about the tangent.
That’s BS. It was thought he beat several top 5 competitors in 2002. That year he never looked better. He is one of the last you should claim has never been in condition. His proportion is what causes him to be overlooked.
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You list his “structural flaws” and then claim that has nothing to do with proportion? I tell you he has come in with great conditioning and give you the year this was especially so…and then you tell me the same year as if that erases the fact that he was in condition?
