Can I just mix the powder into a drink as well? That’s what I do with my nac, arginine, leucine, and got pure powdered tudca on the way too. Seems easier than making pills
You can, but you won’t want to. It tastes very very unpleasant. It is extremely bitter. It’s the chemical that causes a grapefruit rind to taste the way it does. So whatever you mix it in will instantly be like the worst IPA ever brewed after it’s been sitting in the sun in Somalia for 30 years and is covered in taint sweat from the fat Kardashian.
Look, the point is it tastes really bad. I can’t stress that enough.
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Haha! In a strange way I kind want to see how bad it is now. Thanks man. It’s in the amazon shopping cart now
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Donating blood is only a short time fix. It last me about 4 months. I have a big issues with HCT anytime my TRT dose is over 120/wk. I assume your TRT is with UGL supples so you don’t have to worry about a doc yelling at you.
I just started my blast Mar1st my HCT was 50.3 I donated that will take me down to about 48 and I will have to donate again at the end of the blast.
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I’m on trt through my doc and test is pharma. I only have to do labs through him every 6 months though so gives me plenty of time to blast and then return back to trt dose. He writes me 400 mg weekly and enough anastrozole and nolva to always have it on hand. I typically take 250mg at cruise. That typically keeps me around 850 2-3 days after my shot.
Although I recently started supplementing boron which is supposed to help with test production and my last labs taken 3 days after my shot were 1180. Pretty cool.
My doc is real progressive so I’m not worried.
Any experience with naringin as mentioned above? I’ve read threads that being well hydrated effects hct also, but I’m super hydrated and it’s the same as always. Don’t have any bp symptoms though
How could Boron help with your Test production, if you are TrT along with blasting?
It was something that @physioLojik recommended. I looked it up and that was one of the listed benefits. It was really cheap off amazon so I decided to give it a try. I get it that I’m shut down, but that is literally the only variable that is changed. Same dosage of test, same frequency, same days out from the shot and almost a 400 point upward swing. I don’t know the science. Maybe he can chime in
Are you typically a high SHBG guy? I wonder if Boron helps reduce SHBG to wear Free T is more available thus higher? Very interesting.
No I’m on the lower side. Mid 20s I think I recall. I don’t seem to fluctuate much. I’ve had labs done 2, 3, and 7 days post shot and it’s always like 850, 750, 600. That’s why the 1180 caught me off guard
The post above was the first I had heard about naringin. I will try and do some more research. I live in Vail CO 8000ft so HCT has always been an issue for me. Pre TRT I was 49. My only symptom when my HCT goes over 53% is higher blood pressure. That is about the time I start worrying but my doc doesn’t like anything above 51.0%
My doc wasn’t concerned because my RBC is always in range. I asked him about it but he didn’t seem worried at all. Then I read on here that I’m gonna drop dead. Who knows. I’m going to look into donating blood belfries the blast though, to be safe
Funny I got the opposite feeling from reading this forum on the dangers of high HCT. Many here think it does no harm. My doc is Defy and they say anything above 52 is dangerous and that trumps anyone on this forum for me.
On naringin if found this. I eat a grapefruit a day and I have HCT issues so I don’t hold much hope that dried and groundup grapefruit rines would do much for me. YMMV. It also sounds like it can really mess with several drugs guys on TRT take like cialas and anastrozole.
Naringin
What is naringin? Why do we need it?
Naringin is a type of flavonoid, a water-soluble pigment, found in grapefruits. By itself, naringin has little nutritional value, other than being responsible for giving grapefruit its bitter flavor, and possibly enhancing one’s sense of taste. As a dietary supplement, however, naringin has a wide range of benefits.
Naringin appears to interfere with the activity of several enzymes that are responsible for the breakdown of certain nutrients in the intestines, along with many types of drugs, resulting in higher levels of those substances in the blood. As such, naringin is used to enhance the effectiveness and increase the half-life of several supplements and related substances, such as caffeine.
How much naringin should I take?
Most studies have shown that a dose of 25 milligrams of naringin is enough to increase the bioavailability and half-life of certain nutrients and/or drugs consumed with it.
What forms of naringin are available?
The main source of naringin is pure grapefruit juice. However, many types of grapefruit juice are either blended with other juices, or use grapefruits that have low naringin levels, to help remove bitterness and improve taste. Naringin supplements are also available, and are sold in pill, liquid and capsule form.
What can happen if I take too much naringin? Are there any interactions I should be aware of? What precautions should I take?
Because naringin can alter the metabolism of certain drugs so that they remain in the bloodstream longer, taking naringin supplements can result in higher-than-expected levels of those drugs in the blood, which may cause a variety of unwanted side-effects. As a result, patients should not take any drugs with naringin or grapefruit juice without first consulting a licensed health care provider. In addition, the effects of taking naringin and/or drinking grapefruit juice are cumulative; the more naringin that is ingested, the greater its interaction with certain drugs and other nutrients.
Among the drugs known to be affected by naringin are calcium channel blockers; estrogen supplements; sedatives; high blood pressure medications; and cholesterol-lowering medications. As always, make sure to consult with a licensed health care provider before taking naringin or any other herbal remedy or dietary supplement.
References
- Balestrieri ML, Castaldo D, Balestrieri C, et al. Modulation by flavonoids of PAF and related phospholipids in endothelial cells during oxidative stress. J Lipid Res Feb 2003;44(2):380-7.
- Fuhr U, Klittich K, Staib AH. Inhibitory effect of grapefruit juice and its bitter principal, naringenin, on CYP1A2 dependent metabolism of caffeine in man. British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology 1993;35:431-436
Thanks man! It was like 18 bucks so I’ll take it while on blast and then get labs again after donating. Appreciate your input!
@anon18050987 thank you for these articles. Hopefully the words aren’t too big for some of the guys here that push a high HCT is not only fine but better.
Thank you very much for all the info. That’s a lot to read up on. Luckily I’m not planning on starting for another month or so. Thank you for the good luck wishes. I’m as ready as I’m gonna be so we’ll hope it’s enough. I didn’t use any AAS other than my TRT dose for this contest prep. I’m sure others will have so hopefully I’ll come in pretty competitive none the less. Have s good one man!
Not to derail your thread, but curious how much and when your taking the boron. I’m going to start as well, but curious about starting dose and timing. Thanks
I’ll check when I get home. I don’t remember. It’s a liquid and I take 1.25 ml but can’t remember how many mg that is
Thank you. I was considering the liquid, but opted for 3mg pills instead. I take armour thyroid too, wondering if I should take those on opposite sides of the day. Guess I’ll Google it. Thanks again and good luck with the competition!
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It’s 6mg for 1.25ml
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